Re: [OSM-talk] relations in order not to

2008-02-11 Thread David Ebling
> As far as I understand it, the idea is simply to > qualify a tag with > start and end node. I.e. you have a way that goes > from node A, B, C to > Z, but from B to D and from M to P it is a > pedestrian road. So, > > old scheme: > > split way into 5 parts (3 non-pedestrian, 2 > pedestrian) and

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC: Highway administrative and physical descriptions

2008-02-11 Thread Alex S.
Frederik Ramm wrote: > .. one of those decision-charts, don't know how they're called in > English, the ones where you always have a yes/no question and are > routed to the next question depending on your answer, and finally > arrive at your desired result. The term you're looking for is either fl

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC: Highway administrative and physical descriptions

2008-02-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > Please read and comment on the proposal at > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Highway_administrative_and_physical_descriptions The "highway:physical" enumeration cries out for one of those decision-charts, don't know how they're called in English, the ones where you

[OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC: Highway administrative and physical descriptions

2008-02-11 Thread Alex Mauer
Please read and comment on the proposal at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Highway_administrative_and_physical_descriptions Thank you. -Alex Mauer "hawke" signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing

[OSM-talk] Adding maps to wikipedia articles

2008-02-11 Thread OJ W
Just looking at an idea for adding maps to wikipedia articles... Starting with a list of towns that we have reasonably-well mapped, such as: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Towns_in_Surrey we can download each of the wiki pages and look for geotags in them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Re: [OSM-talk] Kosmos v1.10

2008-02-11 Thread Igor Brejc
Rodrigo Moya wrote: > On Sun, 2008-02-10 at 22:00 +0100, Igor Brejc wrote: > >> Hi everybody, >> >> I'm pleased to announce a new version of Kosmos, which has now become an >> open source project (BSD license). >> The new version comes with an enhanced rendering rule engine and new >> printing

[OSM-talk] EUR 15K grant for software development

2008-02-11 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi all, Back in November '07 I raised the issue of most pressing software development issues [1]. The objective was to give body to a proposal we were preparing for NLNet [2], which would include a grant for software development. The resulting discussion on talk / dev and discussion within

Re: [OSM-talk] relations in order not to fragment roads (was: correctly mapping avenues)

2008-02-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > If we add a thing like segment relations as is proposed, we'll > effectively end up with another level next to points, segments and > relations (since things like route relations will again have these > segment relations contained in them), which will likely increase > complexity a lot i

Re: [OSM-talk] relations in order not to fragment roads (was: correctly mapping avenues)

2008-02-11 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 11 February 2008, Karl Newman wrote: > That seems like a reasonable approach--see my reply to Bernd's email > in another forked thread. The way should be long, but not > unreasonably so, and if the name or highway type changes, that seems > like a logical place to split it. I thought wit

Re: [OSM-talk] relations in order not to fragment roads (was: correctly mapping avenues)

2008-02-11 Thread Karl Newman
On Feb 11, 2008 10:36 AM, Martin Trautmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Karl Newman wrote: > > To me, the nodes and ways > > should follow the physical world as much as possible--the road didn't > change > > just because the speed limit changed, so why chop it up? > > I changed the subject now - a

[OSM-talk] relations in order not to fragment roads (was: correctly mapping avenues)

2008-02-11 Thread Martin Trautmann
Karl Newman wrote: > To me, the nodes and ways > should follow the physical world as much as possible--the road didn't change > just because the speed limit changed, so why chop it up? I changed the subject now - and I agree, roads should be kept as roads. The more details you add, the more fragm

Re: [OSM-talk] Direction, side, part of a way (was: correctly mapping avenues)

2008-02-11 Thread Karl Newman
On Feb 11, 2008 7:45 AM, Bernd Raichle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > > on Monday, 11 February 2008 07:30:03 -0800, > Karl Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Feb 11, 2008 7:20 AM, Bernd Raichle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] > > > > > > A few days ago I have started a new propo

Re: [OSM-talk] some problem with video.py

2008-02-11 Thread Edoardo Marascalchi
Grant Slater ha scritto: > Edoardo Marascalchi wrote: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] video rendering]$ AttributeError: >>> 'cairo.ImageSurface' object has no attribute 'get_data_as_rgba' >>> bash: AttributeError:: command not found >>> >> Any advice? >> > > This might be a shot in the dark... > > h

Re: [OSM-talk] correctly mapping avenues

2008-02-11 Thread Karl Newman
On Feb 11, 2008 8:58 AM, Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Karl Newman wrote: > > Big +1 on this proposal. That's exactly what I've been thinking about > > lately. It's stupid to chop up nice long ways just because the speed > > limit changes or the way happens to cross a bridge. > > Is

Re: [OSM-talk] Source of Nokia footpath maps?

2008-02-11 Thread Lauri Hahne
On 11/02/2008, Andy Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there anything to say that it'll have footpaths on it? It would be > fairly easy to take teleatlas etc, ignore the oneway tags and call it > "pedestrian-optimised", and few people will notice until they are out > of town. :-) > Navteq you m

Re: [OSM-talk] Kosmos v1.10

2008-02-11 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Sun, 2008-02-10 at 22:00 +0100, Igor Brejc wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I'm pleased to announce a new version of Kosmos, which has now become an > open source project (BSD license). > The new version comes with an enhanced rendering rule engine and new > printing options. Also, some bugs were

Re: [OSM-talk] correctly mapping avenues

2008-02-11 Thread Gervase Markham
Karl Newman wrote: > Big +1 on this proposal. That's exactly what I've been thinking about > lately. It's stupid to chop up nice long ways just because the speed > limit changes or the way happens to cross a bridge. Isn't this exactly why relations were invented? To unite a set of ways with a c

Re: [OSM-talk] some problem with video.py

2008-02-11 Thread Grant Slater
Edoardo Marascalchi wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] video rendering]$ AttributeError: >> 'cairo.ImageSurface' object has no attribute 'get_data_as_rgba' >> bash: AttributeError:: command not found >> > Any advice? > This might be a shot in the dark... http://www.nabble.com/-cairo--ANN:-pycai

Re: [OSM-talk] Source of Nokia footpath maps?

2008-02-11 Thread Andy Allan
Is there anything to say that it'll have footpaths on it? It would be fairly easy to take teleatlas etc, ignore the oneway tags and call it "pedestrian-optimised", and few people will notice until they are out of town. :-) Cheers, Andy On Feb 11, 2008 2:25 PM, Ben Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] correctly mapping avenues

2008-02-11 Thread bvh
On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 04:20:02PM +0100, Bernd Raichle wrote: > > > (a) the direction is too easily changed, sometimes by mistake > ... because none of the current OSM editors show direction- or > side-related tags explicitly. Merkaartor does for the direction related tags it understands. I need

Re: [OSM-talk] Large Rivers in general, mapnik rendering in Particular

2008-02-11 Thread Igor Brejc
David Groom wrote: I'll edit the wiki. Could you put some visual examples, please? Artem, what i had in mind is now shown on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relations/Proposed/Rivers David G I'm a bit late in entering this discussion, but

Re: [OSM-talk] correctly mapping avenues

2008-02-11 Thread Karl Newman
On Feb 11, 2008 7:20 AM, Bernd Raichle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > > on Sunday, 10 February 2008 08:34:31 -0800, > Karl Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Feb 10, 2008 4:21 AM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Since trees lining a way/street are such a common occu

[OSM-talk] Direction, side, part of a way (was: correctly mapping avenues)

2008-02-11 Thread Bernd Raichle
Hi, on Monday, 11 February 2008 07:30:03 -0800, Karl Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Feb 11, 2008 7:20 AM, Bernd Raichle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > > > > A few days ago I have started a new proposal for a "Segmented Tag", > > which relates a set of tags to a directed or undire

Re: [OSM-talk] correctly mapping avenues

2008-02-11 Thread Bernd Raichle
Hi, on Sunday, 10 February 2008 08:34:31 -0800, Karl Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Feb 10, 2008 4:21 AM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Since trees lining a way/street are such a common occurence, why > > > not have a simple additional tag to the main road. > > > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Shapefile download

2008-02-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > > I'm planning to offer the download of current OSM shapefiles for > > various European countries. I've done a test run and there are some > > files to play with at: http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/ > > Great! How much does it cost? Well I was not planning to charge for it bu

[OSM-talk] some problem with video.py

2008-02-11 Thread Edoardo Marascalchi
I'm trying to generate an animation from the Pavia Mapping Party. Ojw pointed me to the svn and the render.py and video.py scripts. The render.py script work smooth, but i have some problem with the video.py I modified all the offending .gpx for wrong timestamp format, but now, when trying to gene

[OSM-talk] Source of Nokia footpath maps?

2008-02-11 Thread Ben Ward
Someone sent me this link with Nokia launching some old guff about handheld navigation on foot. http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7230686.stm Which lead me to wonder where the footpath information might be coming from, considering all we usually see from Navteq/Teleatlas is roads and bran

Re: [OSM-talk] Shapefile download

2008-02-11 Thread Niccolo Rigacci
> I'm planning to offer the download of current OSM shapefiles for > various European countries. I've done a test run and there are some > files to play with at: http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/ Great! How much does it cost? I mean: can you manage to do other countries (Italy is mis

Re: [OSM-talk] sendmap in asus eeepc

2008-02-11 Thread Lambertus
OJ W wrote: > Mine was communicating with a geko using serial connection (serial->USB > converter) and the garmin protocol from gpsbabel, if that helps: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Asus_EEE > > I haven't tried it with sendmap -- isn't that a Windows program? The > Asus runs Xan

Re: [OSM-talk] sendmap in asus eeepc

2008-02-11 Thread OJ W
Mine was communicating with a geko using serial connection (serial->USB converter) and the garmin protocol from gpsbabel, if that helps: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Asus_EEE I haven't tried it with sendmap -- isn't that a Windows program? The Asus runs Xandros by default. On Feb 1

[OSM-talk] Shapefile download

2008-02-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, I'm planning to offer the download of current OSM shapefiles for various European countries. I've done a test run and there are some files to play with at: http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/ If you open one of the ".shp.zip" files you'll find one shapefile each for rivers, roads,

Re: [OSM-talk] unpaved residential

2008-02-11 Thread Alex S.
Sven Grüner wrote: > I think we should make [highway=unsurfaced] a Deprecated feature as > long as nobody objects. +1 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] unpaved residential

2008-02-11 Thread Sven Grüner
Robin Paulson schrieb: > On 11/02/2008, Alex S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Lukasz Stelmach wrote: >>> 1. why there is (i'll answer it in a moment) unsurfaced highway while in >>> practice every highway can have surface=unpaved? >> >> Highway=unsurfaced is old. Surface=unpaved is much more recen

Re: [OSM-talk] User umehlig and some really nasty edits

2008-02-11 Thread Gabriel Ebner
On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 08:44:21AM +, Tom Hughes wrote: > I don't know if there is a page anywhere that documents the > format of JOSM change files? Nothing sophisticated. Everything with a negative id gets created, everything with an action="modify" attribute is uploaded, and everything with

[OSM-talk] Mapnik: right-to-left labels are printed backward

2008-02-11 Thread Moshe Sayag
Hebrew and Arabic labels have to be printed in right-to-left order, but are reversed by Mapnik. See the differences between the way they are printed in the Mapnik (incorrect) and Osmarenderer (correct) layers. Hebrew: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=31.6786&lon=34.5695&zoom=14 Arabic: http://ww

Re: [OSM-talk] Some interesting numbers from planet.osm

2008-02-11 Thread Gabriel Ebner
On Sun, Feb 10, 2008 at 06:54:44PM -0500, Adam Schreiber wrote: > > I hope that you do know that not every "highway 0 nodes" in the JOSM > > relations window really has 0 nodes. It just means that the way was not > > downloaded from the server because it lies completely outside of the > > downloade

Re: [OSM-talk] administrative boundaries that run along roads - in the Mapnik layer

2008-02-11 Thread Andy Allan
Hmm. Since the layer tag is supposed to be for defining the relative vertical displacement of physical features, I think I will rustle up a patch to osm2pgsql to strip off layer tags for non-physical features like admin boundaries :-) If we (or any renderer) want the admin boundaries showing above

Re: [OSM-talk] User umehlig and some really nasty edits

2008-02-11 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Feb 11, 2008 9:44 AM, Tom Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't know if there is a page anywhere that documents the > format of JOSM change files? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/JOSM_file_format On the more general idea of change file formats: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index

Re: [OSM-talk] Japanese place names not rendered in Mapnik

2008-02-11 Thread Tom Hughes
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> David Ebling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but Japanese > isn't being rendered in Mapnik properly - I am just > seeing a rectangle for each character. > > eg > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=35.711&lon=139.869&zoom=1

Re: [OSM-talk] User umehlig and some really nasty edits

2008-02-11 Thread Tom Hughes
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Martijn van Oosterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 10, 2008 10:51 PM, Lukasz Stelmach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> All right I confess. I have done something like that to the node >> 300 a while ago. But while you are considering some solutions t

[OSM-talk] Japanese place names not rendered in Mapnik

2008-02-11 Thread David Ebling
Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but Japanese isn't being rendered in Mapnik properly - I am just seeing a rectangle for each character. eg http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=35.711&lon=139.869&zoom=11&layers=B0FT Anyone know what to do about this? Thanks, Dave __

Re: [OSM-talk] User umehlig and some really nasty edits

2008-02-11 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Feb 10, 2008 10:51 PM, Lukasz Stelmach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All right I confess. I have done something like that to the node > 300 a while ago. But while you are considering some solutions to > this problem allow me to explain myself. I tried to find out how to > create and upload os

Re: [OSM-talk] sendmap in asus eeepc

2008-02-11 Thread Lambertus
maning sambale wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone tried using sendmap to load garmin maps to GPS using asus eeepc > [http://eeepc.asus.com/global/] > Not tried it, but the Asus has an USB interface so if you GPS does as well (otherwise you 'could' try a USB to serial converter), then this should work.