Re: [OSM-talk] Relation/Routes and Hikes in open Country

2008-06-25 Thread Simon Wood
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:01:40 -0400 Christopher Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The OpenLayers parser doesn't do anything with relations themselves -- > it wouldn't group the bits together into a single feature -- but it > would take the ways and nodes and draw them into the map. > I spent t

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM2008 Conference - The Almost Official Limerick limerick

2008-06-25 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Miércoles, 25 de Junio de 2008, Nick Black escribió: > Ok - everyone who posts a Limerick has to recite it on Sunday morning > before the talks start ;-) Even the bad ones? Ow, cm'on! They had announced it with glee: "I've got a map editor for thee, with Google MapMaker we'll do maps neater"

[OSM-talk] When mental models go wrong: OpenStreetMap

2008-06-25 Thread Lauri Hahne
First, I must admit that the subject of this message is a little bit outre but don't let that bother. * I'm trying to summarise a few things I've been thinking lately. I think none of these issues is major or something that should actually be worked on. I have no suggestions what-so-ever what coul

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker - press release

2008-06-25 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: > I know that dealing with the press requires a certain amount of > dumbing > down, but I do object to the phrase: > > "Volunteers for OpenStreetMap, the Wikipedia-like website which is > mapping the world, say ..." > > We are not "a website". Sure. It depends who you're se

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker - press release

2008-06-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > We've put together a press release with OSM (strictly speaking OSMF)'s > reaction to Google Map Maker. I know that dealing with the press requires a certain amount of dumbing down, but I do object to the phrase: "Volunteers for OpenStreetMap, the Wikipedia-like website which is mapping t

[OSM-talk] Google Map Maker - press release

2008-06-25 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Hi all, We've put together a press release with OSM (strictly speaking OSMF)'s reaction to Google Map Maker. You can get it in PDF or RTF format at: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/pr_material/releases/ The OSMF board is sending it to a few of the big tech blogs, but in true OSM fashion, w

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM2008 Conference - The Almost Official Limerick limerick

2008-06-25 Thread Nick Black
Ok - everyone who posts a Limerick has to recite it on Sunday morning before the talks start ;-) We'll skype you in if you're not there. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/6/25 Mike Collinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> 3) Obscure jargon-ridden lime

Re: [OSM-talk] Relation/Routes and Hikes in open Country

2008-06-25 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 02:21:10PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> Something I keep toying with is the idea of facilitating mashups (did > >> I really just say that?) by giving masher-uppers a way to tie their > >> routes to OSM IDs. > > > > There is an example on OpenLayers showing how t

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM2008 Conference - The Almost Official Limerick limerick

2008-06-25 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
2008/6/25 Mike Collinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 3) Obscure jargon-ridden limericks that no-one except hard core OSM > mappers would understand. Back home, my Navi in bad weather I launched the JOSM updater, ready to grind, only to find "API 500 - try again later" -- -

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM2008 Conference - The Almost Official Limerick limerick

2008-06-25 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/6/25 Mike Collinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 1) Limerick's you would show your mother and that she just might understand. > > 2) Dubious limericks that you certainly would not show your mother. This is category 1 (since my mother is from Dublin, so she won't take umbrage at the "bogger" refere

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM2008 Conference - The Almost Official Limerick limerick

2008-06-25 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/6/25 Mike Collinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 3) Obscure jargon-ridden limericks that no-one except hard core OSM mappers > would understand. My entry for category 3: Letztes Jahr als in Limerick ich war Völlig ohne Mapdaten sogar, Hollte ich mein Ding raus, Maß dort gut jedes Haus Und erholte

Re: [OSM-talk] Wide roads and traffic signals

2008-06-25 Thread Jon Burgess
On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 13:06 +0300, Moshe Sayag wrote: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.1878&lon=34.8714&zoom=14&layers=B00FT > (Notice that the street names is not shown in Mapnik but only in > Osmarender) > Unfortunately the Mapnik layer is poor at font handling. The code can only use a

Re: [OSM-talk] Relation/Routes and Hikes in open Country

2008-06-25 Thread simon
> >> Something I keep toying with is the idea of facilitating mashups (did >> I really just say that?) by giving masher-uppers a way to tie their >> routes to OSM IDs. > There is an example on OpenLayers showing how to superimpose an OSM file on top of a slippy map. http://openlayers.org/dev/examp

[OSM-talk] SOTM2008 Conference - The Almost Official Limerick limerick

2008-06-25 Thread Mike Collinson
OpenStreetMap's State Of The Map 2008 Conference is in Limerick, Ireland Sat-Sun July 12th and 13th 2008 http://www.stateofthemap.org/registration/. See you there? It took my mother to point out that we really could not have a conference in Limerick without writing a limerick for it. So I ask

Re: [OSM-talk] The completeness of OpenStreetMap

2008-06-25 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Miércoles, 25 de Junio de 2008, Edward Johnson escribió: > One of the most interesting parts is how can we quote completeness of the > map? IMHO, the problem with any metric is that you cannot get an accurate number for "all". However, you can get a metric from a datasource considered "compl

Re: [OSM-talk] Relation/Routes and Hikes in open Country

2008-06-25 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 4:52 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I'd define it slightly differently - its do we want *subjective* >> routes in OSM? I don't think anyone is arguing that notable >> *objective* routes, like the Pennine Way in the UK or the Appalachian >> Way in the US can certainly b

Re: [OSM-talk] Relation/Routes and Hikes in open Country

2008-06-25 Thread simon
> Something I keep toying with is the idea of facilitating mashups (did > I really just say that?) by giving masher-uppers a way to tie their > routes to OSM IDs. I may have a mis-understand of OpenLayers, but is it possible to achieve this with overlays and minimal infrastructure (from the perso

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM weekend accommodation?

2008-06-25 Thread SteveC
On 25 Jun 2008, at 08:46, Barnett, Phillip wrote: > Weirdly, on the way back, after disembarking at Stansted, and before > customs/passport control, an officious looking woman was inspecting > _boarding_ cards. She was backed up by half a dozen serious looking > men, > so she meant business. I h

Re: [OSM-talk] Relation/Routes and Hikes in open Country

2008-06-25 Thread simon
> I'd define it slightly differently - its do we want *subjective* > routes in OSM? I don't think anyone is arguing that notable > *objective* routes, like the Pennine Way in the UK or the Appalachian > Way in the US can certainly be included as a route. > Hi all, I'm going to be a bit provocativ

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM weekend accommodation?

2008-06-25 Thread Barnett, Phillip
I can give you an authoritative answer to this one because I flew Ryanair from Stansted to Dublin last week with an expired passport. I hadn't noticed that my passport was one week out of date - neither did the check-in lady to whom I showed it, neither did the Security check just before airside. O

Re: [OSM-talk] Good example of OSM coverage - Sofija, Bulgaria

2008-06-25 Thread Ted Mielczarek
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Ralf Zimmermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would like to share a good example of OSM coverage with you. > > It is the city of Sofija in Bulgaria. > A friend of mine is travelling there and asked me if OSM has good maps > of that area as Google does not show muc

Re: [OSM-talk] The completeness of OpenStreetMap

2008-06-25 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Edward Johnson >Sent: 25 June 2008 4:04 PM >To: talk@openstreetmap.org >Subject: [OSM-talk] The completeness of OpenStreetMap > >I'm compiling some research into ways in which we can think of a map as >complete and how complete OSM is. I was just wondering if anyone had any >thoughts on the topic.

[OSM-talk] The completeness of OpenStreetMap

2008-06-25 Thread Edward Johnson
I'm compiling some research into ways in which we can think of a map as complete and how complete OSM is. I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the topic. My initial ideas have been posted on my blog http://edwardmjohnson.wordpress.com/ and I will continue to update this until I'm

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker

2008-06-25 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On 2008-06-25, Michael Collinson wrote: > [Off original topic!] > > Google certainly do "access" the information sent to gmail accounts > in order to deliver targeted ads in the account holders web email > browser. So the original post had me rushing to read the fine > print. I had to read it pret

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker

2008-06-25 Thread Steven Le Roux
2008/6/25 Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Steven Le Roux wrote: > > d'un point de vue strictement technique, il faut reconnaitre que >> l'approche de map maker est meilleure que potlatch qui lui n'est pas >> utilisable sur une machine légere sous linux. (merci flash) >> > > Mais si vous

Re: [OSM-talk] short forms of street names

2008-06-25 Thread Karl Newman
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 3:37 AM, Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/6/25 wer-ist-roger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I don't like the idea of the short_name tag for common names. The > rendering > > engine should be configured to shorten abbreviations like road, street, > > vägen, gatan, S

Re: [OSM-talk] Trails (paths) with no individual names

2008-06-25 Thread Michael Collinson
If there is clearly a "main" trail and the rest are feeders (i.e. how to get on/off the trail) or stubs to viewpoints or other features, then yes I would just name the main trail. I think that is what your example is showing, even though it is actually quite short through a local suburb. As a

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetBugs, now with IE

2008-06-25 Thread X
OpenStreetBugs is now working with Internet Explorer too. A future "image of the week" ? ;-) Xav. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker

2008-06-25 Thread Steve Hill
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Nick Whitelegg wrote: > Is there not a law against unauthorised reading of > emails? It isn't exactly unauthorised if you agreed to the contract when you signed up for the service... Whether they can read _inbound_ emails is a quite different question though, since the sen

Re: [OSM-talk] Relation/Routes and Hikes in open Country

2008-06-25 Thread Nick Whitelegg
>Something I keep toying with is the idea of facilitating mashups (did >I really just say that?) by giving masher-uppers a way to tie their >routes to OSM IDs. >If you plot a favourite walk on a Google Map, you're effectively just >drawing lines and points on a flat map. There's no tie-up with

[OSM-talk] M(')appare Milano (aka three-month mapping campaign in Milan)- closing event - Jul 2

2008-06-25 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Some facts: 1- The event will be hosted by the Faculty of Architecture of the Politecnico di Milano, and more specifically by the Department of Architecture and Planning. 2- The event will be have FM radio coverage (that wouldn't be news, as the Mente Locale radio show took up the story since m

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker

2008-06-25 Thread Michael Collinson
[Off original topic!] Google certainly do "access" the information sent to gmail accounts in order to deliver targeted ads in the account holders web email browser. So the original post had me rushing to read the fine print. I had to read it pretty carefully but access is limited to the follo

Re: [OSM-talk] Relation/Routes and Hikes in open Country

2008-06-25 Thread spaetz
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:31:37PM +0100, Nick Whitelegg wrote: > >I'd define it slightly differently - its do we want *subjective* > >routes in OSM? I don't think anyone is arguing that notable > >*objective* routes, like the Pennine Way in the UK or the Appalachian > >Way in the US can certainly

Re: [OSM-talk] Relation/Routes and Hikes in open Country

2008-06-25 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy Allan wrote: > I'd define it slightly differently - its do we want *subjective* > routes in OSM? I don't think anyone is arguing that notable > *objective* routes, like the Pennine Way in the UK or the Appalachian > Way in the US can certainly be included as a route. (...or the entire Nation

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker

2008-06-25 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Nick Whitelegg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>I'm using gmail. The way I read my user agreement google >>pretty much has the right to do anything they want with >>any information I give them. For that reason I'm careful >>not to put anything really important in my em

Re: [OSM-talk] Relation/Routes and Hikes in open Country

2008-06-25 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Nick Whitelegg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I guess this comes down as to whether things like walking routes should be > stored in OSM itself or put in a different project. I guess we don't want > to overload OSM with walking routes; however Freemap does aim to ov

[OSM-talk] Trails (paths) with no individual names

2008-06-25 Thread Victor Snesarev
Should I use the name tag when mapping a system of connected trails that has a name, but where individual trail branches do not have names? For a specific example take a look at the Kildaire Farms Trail system I started mapping here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=35.75814&lon=-78.79265&zoom=1

Re: [OSM-talk] Relation/Routes and Hikes in open Country

2008-06-25 Thread Nick Whitelegg
>On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Nick Whitelegg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I guess this comes down as to whether things like walking routes should be >> stored in OSM itself or put in a different project. I guess we don't want >> to overload OSM with walking routes; however Freemap does aim

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker

2008-06-25 Thread Nick Whitelegg
>I'm using gmail. The way I read my user agreement google >pretty much has the right to do anything they want with >any information I give them. For that reason I'm careful >not to put anything really important in my emails. I find that very hard to believe, that a mail service operator would have

Re: [OSM-talk] Relation/Routes and Hikes in open Country

2008-06-25 Thread Nick Whitelegg
>Wow, I'm totally jealous of the landscape. >However, I don't think marking these as "routes" is appropriate. For >cycle routes we have the rough description that "Cycle routes are >named or numbered or otherwise signed routes, which may go along roads >or dedicated cycle paths. ". I don't see any

Re: [OSM-talk] Wide roads and traffic signals

2008-06-25 Thread Robin Paulson
2008/6/25 Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> 2. If I set it as two separate ways, how do I mark traffic signals >> (traffic lights) where two such roads cross each other? > > i think there's a relation for this; it came up a week or two back > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relations

Re: [OSM-talk] Wide roads and traffic signals

2008-06-25 Thread Robin Paulson
2008/6/25 Moshe Sayag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.1878&lon=34.8714&zoom=14&layers=B00FT > (Notice that the street names is not shown in Mapnik but only in Osmarender) > > My questions: > > 1. How do I map a wide road with a separation (line of trees) between > the tw

Re: [OSM-talk] short forms of street names

2008-06-25 Thread Robin Paulson
2008/6/25 wer-ist-roger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I don't like the idea of the short_name tag for common names. The rendering > engine should be configured to shorten abbreviations like road, street, > vägen, gatan, Straße or what ever by itself. This is much more sufficient > then adding the tags one

Re: [OSM-talk] Wide roads and traffic signals

2008-06-25 Thread Rory McCann
Moshe Sayag wrote: > 1. How do I map a wide road with a separation (line of trees) between > the two directions? > Something like: I think the OSM way is to map it as 2 separate one-way ways. The rule of thumb is if it's physically impossible to change sides (ie something in the way down the mid

Re: [OSM-talk] Wide roads and traffic signals

2008-06-25 Thread Stephen Hope
If you can't cross from one side to another anywhere, then it should be marked as two separate ways. When you have a twoway road connect to one of these, it will connect to each side, with a little crossing piece in the middle. When you have two such roads connect, then it will look like a hash s

[OSM-talk] Wide roads and traffic signals

2008-06-25 Thread Moshe Sayag
Hi everyone, I am trying to map my area (that is very sparsely mapped in OSM currently), so I bought a GPS device and started cycling / driving around and edit my tracks. The results so far can be seen at http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.1878&lon=34.8714&zoom=14&layers=B00FT (Notice that the

Re: [OSM-talk] short forms of street names

2008-06-25 Thread wer-ist-roger
>name:sh is not a good idea, because there could be a language whose code >is "sh". How about short_name? This could also be localized like >short_name:en, short_name:sv etc. >I'm already using short_name for abbreviations of building names on the >Bayreuth university campus. I don't like the

Re: [OSM-talk] Relation/Routes and Hikes in open Country

2008-06-25 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:56 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > I'm working on importing another set of tracks, see: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Bob_Spirko > > I've done a couple of Relation/Routes and wanted some feedback on whether > this is the right way, or if not what is