Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM

2009-07-09 Thread Peter Childs
2009/7/9 John Smith : > > Tracing rivers and such on OSM gave me an idea for a possible way to promote > OSM, geography students. > > I mean what better way to teach kids about geography than doing a little > cartography :) > > > Back when I was at School, If I could have done a GCSE or A-Level

[OSM-talk] New editor (was: Making an offline OpenStreetMap CD/DVD?)

2009-07-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Inge Wallin wrote: > Note also that the marble team is working on an OSM editing plugin that will > allow the user to directly edit the OSM data. Do they have anything that we can look at, perhaps the spec they're working to or whatever? Don't get this wrong, I have a lot of respect for th

Re: [OSM-talk] Species names

2009-07-09 Thread Jacek Konieczny
On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 05:42:25PM +0100, Jack Stringer wrote: > My rule of thumb would of be label it in english rather that local name. > But that's because I am english. Using latin would put some people off > from tagging Zoos. But precise latin specie name is a universal identifier (rather th

Re: [OSM-talk] Making an offline OpenStreetMap CD/DVD ?

2009-07-09 Thread Sebastian Kuerten
Hi, you could try using gosm (http://gosm.sf.net) you can mark an area and use the download-button in the 'Selection'-panel on the right. There you can select which zoom levels to download from this selection. When you configure nothing special, the tiles will be downloaded to /tmp/osm_mapnik or s

Re: [OSM-talk] Species names

2009-07-09 Thread Marc Schütz
No real opinion on the question whether to use the scientific names or not, but if you do, please do _not_ use name:la for that purpose, because this would be how the ancient romans (or the speakers of Modern Latin) call the animals. Regards, Marc -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome

Re: [OSM-talk] Species names

2009-07-09 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 9/7/09, "Marc Schütz" wrote: > please do _not_ use name:la for that purpose, because this > would be how the ancient romans (or the speakers of Modern > Latin) call the animals. What about name:scientific or name:sci ? ___ talk m

Re: [OSM-talk] Species names

2009-07-09 Thread Frankie Roberto
Jacek Konieczny wrote: > On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 05:42:25PM +0100, Jack Stringer wrote: > > My rule of thumb would of be label it in english rather that local name. > > But that's because I am english. Using latin would put some people off > > from tagging Zoos. > > But precise latin specie name

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping party suggestion for SOTM

2009-07-09 Thread Tim Waters (chippy)
2009/7/9 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason : > A few months ago in some local news media a talking head claimed that > Amsterdam's Red Light District wasn't in central Amsterdam and > moreover that it didn't contain any Coffee shops, i.e. ones of the > type that'll sell you more than just beverages. > > So o

Re: [OSM-talk] Species names

2009-07-09 Thread Ed Avis
Marc Schütz gmx.net> writes: >No real opinion on the question whether to use the scientific names or not, but >if you do, please do _not_ use name:la for that purpose, because this would be >how the ancient romans (or the speakers of Modern Latin) call the animals. Agreed - and more to the point

Re: [OSM-talk] Species names

2009-07-09 Thread Ed Avis
Frankie Roberto frankieroberto.com> writes: >If we're tagging zoo enclosures, then the name= tag represents the name of the >enclosure (in the local language), rather than the name of the animals within >it.This is an important distinction, as zoo enclosures often have their own >special names, l

Re: [OSM-talk] Species names

2009-07-09 Thread Ed Avis
John Smith yahoo.com> writes: [species of animals] >What about name:scientific or name:sci ? It's still not really the name of the object on the ground, which is called 'The Reptile House', or even the name of the animal, which is called 'Lizzy the Lizard' or similar. So I think the right tagg

Re: [OSM-talk] Species names

2009-07-09 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
Jacek Konieczny wrote: On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 05:42:25PM +0100, Jack Stringer wrote: > My rule of thumb would of be label it in english rather that local name. > But that's because I am english. Using latin would put some people off > from tagging Zoos. But prec

Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM

2009-07-09 Thread Mike N.
I was thinking this also - I was going to send an email to the local faculty who are responsible for the GIS curriculum at each local school, and also offer to speak or help get students started (first edit sessions can be frustrating). It's important to keep the mail as low key and let the fa

Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM

2009-07-09 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 9/7/09, Mike N. wrote: > I was thinking this also - I was > going to send an email to the local faculty who are > responsible for the GIS curriculum at each local school, and > also offer to speak or help get students started (first edit > sessions can be frustrating).  It's importan

Re: [OSM-talk] Species names

2009-07-09 Thread Claudius
Am 09.07.2009 12:16, Ed Avis: > John Smith yahoo.com> writes: > > [species of animals] > >> What about name:scientific or name:sci ? > > It's still not really the name of the object on the ground, which is called > 'The Reptile House', or even the name of the animal, which is called 'Lizzy > the

Re: [OSM-talk] Second Grand State Of the Map Poetry Competition!!

2009-07-09 Thread Steve Chilton
One in 3, 5, 3 metre: GPS Some software magic Mapnik maps Cheers STEVE -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org on behalf of Iván Sánchez Ortega Sent: Wed 01/07/2009 17:48 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Cc: Subject: Re: [O

Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM

2009-07-09 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 9/7/09, Jack Stringer wrote: > There are different target groups, primary school, > secondary, college/uni so we need targeted plans for each. I was mostly thinking secondary, I didn't think primary would be that interested or able to produce useful data, but I'm happy to be proven

Re: [OSM-talk] Species names

2009-07-09 Thread Ed Avis
Fabrizio Giudici tidalwave.it> writes: >Thus, a good way to represent a species name would be a triple: >"taxonomy name", "taxonomy year", "binomial name". Eg. >"Clements", "2008", "Larus canus" species:Clements:2008=Larus canus That also allows for other taxonomies to be added at the same ti

Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM

2009-07-09 Thread Jack Stringer
For the UK its GCSE and A-Level Geography students are the ones to look at I guess. Though I know we might not be able to use information from <11yr old kids it still does not mean we can not help provide education information to them. I know its not what OSM is about but educating the youth in th

Re: [OSM-talk] Species names

2009-07-09 Thread Someoneelse
Jack Stringer wrote: > My rule of thumb would of be label it in english rather that local name. > But that's because I am english. Using latin would put some people off > from tagging Zoos. We'd better think of another name for "zoo" then (and presumably catching the "bus" to get there is right

Re: [OSM-talk] Species names

2009-07-09 Thread Jacek Konieczny
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:27:29AM +, John Smith wrote: > > --- On Thu, 9/7/09, "Marc Schütz" wrote: > > > please do _not_ use name:la for that purpose, because this > > would be how the ancient romans (or the speakers of Modern > > Latin) call the animals. > > What about name:scientific or

Re: [OSM-talk] Species names

2009-07-09 Thread Jacek Konieczny
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:03:05AM +, Ed Avis wrote: > species:Clements:2008=Larus canus > > That also allows for other taxonomies to be added at the same time, and for > more general 'species:Clements' and just plain 'species' in cases where the > taxonomy is well-established, or the person

Re: [OSM-talk] Species names

2009-07-09 Thread Jack Stringer
2009/7/9 Someoneelse : > Jack Stringer wrote: >> My rule of thumb would of be label it in english rather that local name. >> But that's because I am english. Using latin would put some people off >> from tagging Zoos. > > We'd better think of another name for "zoo" then (and presumably > catching t

Re: [OSM-talk] Species names

2009-07-09 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
Ed Avis wrote: Fabrizio Giudici tidalwave.it> writes: Thus, a good way to represent a species name would be a triple: "taxonomy name", "taxonomy year", "binomial name". Eg. "Clements", "2008", "Larus canus" species:Clements:2008=Larus canus That also allows for other taxonomies to

Re: [OSM-talk] Species names

2009-07-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/9 Jacek Konieczny : > On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:27:29AM +, John Smith wrote: >> >> --- On Thu, 9/7/09, "Marc Schütz" wrote: >> >> > please do _not_ use name:la for that purpose, because this >> > would be how the ancient romans (or the speakers of Modern >> > Latin) call the animals. >

Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM

2009-07-09 Thread Hillsman, Edward
2009/7/9 John Smith : > > Tracing rivers and such on OSM gave me an idea for a possible way to promote OSM, geography students. > > I mean what better way to teach kids about geography than doing a little cartography :) > > > By coincidence, I gave a short invited presentation about OS

Re: [OSM-talk] Species names

2009-07-09 Thread Ed Loach
Jack wrote: > Longleat Zoo has areas that you can drive though that contain > several > different animals. Zebra, Giraffe etc. How would you label > that? Firstly as Safari Park rather than Zoo. But looking here: http://www.longleat.co.uk/safari-park/safari-journey.html for the area you mention:

[OSM-talk] Relation analyser

2009-07-09 Thread Stéphane Brunner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello ! Sometimes I use the relation analyser : http://betaplace.emaitie.de/webapps.relation-analyzer/index.jsp But I fond two thinks wrong: - - When I click on « JOSM RemoteControl » link it will open a new tab with OK ! On keepright.ipax.at It wil

[OSM-talk] Collected Way support

2009-07-09 Thread David Groom
For various reasons, for example the need to put different max_speed tags on different parts of a way, the need to split ways so individual parts can become part of a relation, etc, even "simple " linear ways are becoming very fragmented. I was just wondering what the current state of client s

Re: [OSM-talk] Collected Way support

2009-07-09 Thread Richard Mann
It looks too complicated to me. Given that certain tags apply to ways but not nodes, would it not be possible to imply some meaning by attaching bridge=yes+layer=1 to a node on a way, to mean the segment between this node and the next? Then the way wouldn't need to be chopped up in the first plac

Re: [OSM-talk] Collected Way support

2009-07-09 Thread Mike N.
Curved bridges will require more than one segment to mark the bridge way. Re: Collected Ways - For a "simple way" bridge case, I leave the bridge named either the same as the way or for the case of a named bridge, have the way as name_1. The name collector *might* be able to follow the way b

Re: [OSM-talk] Collected Way support

2009-07-09 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: "Richard Mann" To: "Talk Openstreetmap" Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Collected Way support > It looks too complicated to me. > > Given that certain tags apply to ways but not nodes, would it not be > possible to imply some mea

[OSM-talk] SOTM Friday Night latest arrangements

2009-07-09 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Hello everyone, Is the plan for tomorrow (Friday) still to meet here? http://www.stateofthemap.org/2009/07/06/pre-conference-drinks-nieuwmarkt/ Will be unable to read the list from approx 07:30 BST tomorrow. Can get the internet on my phone but obviously in NL it's going to be rather expensive

Re: [OSM-talk] Collected Way support

2009-07-09 Thread Richard Mann
I agree that it's a real issue. It's a pain assigning all the short ways to a relation (which is what I've been doing this afternoon), or adding information along a route (ie the number of tracks on a railway). However, when I read the proposal, I could see that trying to use relations would genera

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM Friday Night latest arrangements

2009-07-09 Thread Rob
i hope it's stll accessible (see news item today) maybe we must tag it as ruin.. http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=nl&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nu.nl%2Falgemeen%2F2038502%2Ftoren-amsterdamse-waag-dreigt-in-te-storten.html&sl=nl&tl=en&history_state0= 2009/7/9 Nick Whitelegg > Hello

Re: [OSM-talk] New editor (was: Making an offline OpenStreetMap CD/DVD?)

2009-07-09 Thread Inge Wallin
On Thursday 09 July 2009 09:19:16 Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Inge Wallin wrote: > > Note also that the marble team is working on an OSM editing plugin that > > will allow the user to directly edit the OSM data. > > Do they have anything that we can look at, perhaps the spec they're > working to

[OSM-talk] undelete

2009-07-09 Thread Lambert Carsten
Hi, By coincidence I discovered a recently and unjustly deleted node: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/242086945 Part of the changeset concerning the node: The bank and the atm is still there so the delete is an error. I cannot seem to figure out how to undelete it. It does

[OSM-talk] Account creation on impossible ?

2009-07-09 Thread Yann Coupin
Hi, I need to create an account on the dev api to test a new version of the bulk_uploader (for the corine import). But it seems outgoing email is not working. That means account creation is impossible because the confirmation is never received (I don't see connections on my mail server so

Re: [OSM-talk] undelete

2009-07-09 Thread Lambert Carsten
On Thursday 09 July 2009 18:46:03 Lambert Carsten wrote: > Hi, > > By coincidence I discovered a recently and unjustly deleted node: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/242086945 > > Part of the changeset concerning the node: > > user="mvexel" uid="8909" visible="false" timestamp="2009-07-

Re: [OSM-talk] Account creation on impossible ?

2009-07-09 Thread Yann Coupin
You can ignore this. My mail client was acting on me. I missed some other mails and I obviously didn't read my mail server logs correctly on top of that! Yann Le 9 juil. 09 à 19:05, Yann Coupin a écrit : > Hi, > > I need to create an account on the dev api to test a new version of > the bulk

Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM

2009-07-09 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 9/7/09, Peter Childs wrote: > Back when I was at School, If I could have done a GCSE or > A-Level in > Cartography I would have done. Its a much under taught > subject. > > It either needs to be taught as a Subject in its own right > or as Part > of "Technical Drawing", Its not that

Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM

2009-07-09 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 9/7/09, Jack Stringer wrote: > Though I know we might not be able to use information from > <11yr old > kids it still does not mean we can not help provide > education This would fall into the category of PR more than anything I assume, does anything like this already exist?

[OSM-talk] Error loading data with osm2pgsql

2009-07-09 Thread trossachs
Hi, I've had the same type of error on the two occassions I've tried to load an osm file. The error is: Error allocating nodes. Error occurred, cleaning up. There is no data at all, loaded into the database. Does anyone know the cause of these errors and how to fix them? Thanks, John -- Vie

Re: [OSM-talk] Error loading data with osm2pgsql

2009-07-09 Thread Jon Burgess
On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 14:49 -0700, trossachs wrote: > Hi, > > I've had the same type of error on the two occassions I've tried to load an > osm file. The error is: > > Error allocating nodes. > Error occurred, cleaning up. > > There is no data at all, loaded into the database. > > Does anyone k

[OSM-talk] OSM TrustPoints

2009-07-09 Thread Stefan Baebler
I've put some thoughts towards preventing vandalism and spam and how that could be automated without getting in a way of normal, legitimate users. Draft is available at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Stefanb/TrustPoints It's also included below for your convenience. Feedback, contributio

[OSM-talk] Converting polygon to OSM way?

2009-07-09 Thread simon
I am playing with rendering paper maps, in the process I limit the data to a particular area using osmosis with a --bounding-polygon using this type of polygon: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmosis/Polygon_Filter_File_Format Is there a way to convert the same polygon in to an OSM way so that

Re: [OSM-talk] Converting polygon to OSM way?

2009-07-09 Thread Russ Nelson
It's very straightforward. Just needs a program to take the one file format and turn it into a different file format. Just create a bunch of new nodes, connect them together with a way, then add the appropriate metadata for your renderer. Number the nodes and ways with negative numbers.