Re: [OSM-talk] Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-29 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:08:28 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Well, I know about others: maxspeedtype=ITA:city > for example, or maxspeed=DE:walk > > I don't understand why key:country=value is different to key=country:value > but I would like to learn about it. In that one case it's okay. Re

Re: [OSM-talk] Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-29 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:07:08 +0200, Pieren wrote: > 2. It says that the main use is for city_limit. Again, why not. But > the other examples are very questionable : "traffic_sign=maxspeed:30" > or "traffic_sign=DE:239" break some practices we had until now like > key=value and not key=key:value or

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-29 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:00 PM, John Smith wrote: > --- On Wed, 29/7/09, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) > wrote: > >> I have made a proposal for a tag > I think this will only serve to confuse, no where on the maxheight wiki link > you provided does it say it's a legal restriction, if anything

[OSM-talk] My online presence

2009-07-29 Thread SteveC
All Bar about two or three of my most ardent friends I am the strongest believer and defender of free speech and the free market I know. The former, I believe far beyond what exists in the United Kingdom and much of Europe. I came to this position after volunteering for organisations which

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-29 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 29/7/09, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) wrote: > I have made a proposal for a tag > marking physical clearance over roads, this because it is > not the same as legal restrictions on height, and in many > countries have a different sign warning the driver that he > might not be able to p

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-29 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
I have made a proposal for a tag marking physical clearance over roads, this because it is not the same as legal restrictions on height, and in many countries have a different sign warning the driver that he might not be able to pass, though he still not is legaly restricted. The proposal can be

Re: [OSM-talk] Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-29 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:05 AM, John Smith wrote: > Have things reached the level that people have nothing but street signs to > map as POIs? Hehe. I don't see why we should discourage a high level of detail. Users can decide for themselves what they want to contribute, as long as they annotate

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings - a website

2009-07-29 Thread maning sambale
What I'm saying is, when a new user (using this interface) sees the map they would assume that the POI/business establishment are not yet in the "map". They would then add the info knowing it's not yet there. I like the simplicity of ojw's mockup. We don't need to overcomplicate it at the moment

Re: [OSM-talk] Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-29 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:46 AM, John Smith wrote: > > --- On Wed, 29/7/09, Pieren wrote: > > the other examples are very questionable : > > "traffic_sign=maxspeed:30" > > That does look questionable if for no other reason that maxspeed should be > used consistently so routing doesn't have to l

Re: [OSM-talk] Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-29 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 29/7/09, Roy Wallace wrote: > To me, that looks like somebody is marking *the sign*, as > opposed to > marking *the maxspeed restriction*. Seems fine to me - > because the > sign does physically exist on the ground - but the > restriction should > also be mapped, using maxspeed=30.

Re: [OSM-talk] Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-29 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 29/7/09, Pieren wrote: > the other examples are very questionable : > "traffic_sign=maxspeed:30" That does look questionable if for no other reason that maxspeed should be used consistently so routing doesn't have to look for 50 different tags or parse all tags looking for those wi

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")

2009-07-29 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 29/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Well, I would tag them completely differently. It is a > different kind > of object, it is not a Motel where you just pay according > to a > different fee system / business modell. There is a tag for brothel in the system already

Re: [OSM-talk] Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/30 Pieren : > true it's going faster. Or I missed the announcement somewhere on a > mailing-list... maybe it was just announced on the German ML, but I remember about it > 2. It says that the main use is for city_limit. Again, why not. But > the other examples are very questionable : "tra

Re: [OSM-talk] Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-29 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Pieren wrote: > Today I saw for the first time on the area I'm contributing a tag > called traffic_sign=city_limit. Then I went on the map features and > discovered it. Huh, why not... Exactly. I haven't been involved in the discussion, I don't use it myself, and I find it strange to talk a

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings - a website

2009-07-29 Thread Joseph Reeves
>I prefer though that the data shouldn't be directly added to the >database especially for well-mapped areas. >Some POIs do not appear in the map (mapnik or osmarender). But then you're just mapping for the renderers - omitting data because two of current representations of the database as provide

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")

2009-07-29 Thread Arlindo Pereira
Here is the propose page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Love_Hotel Cheers, 2009/7/29 Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) > On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:17:59 +0200, Ulf Lamping > > wrote: > > Joseph Scanlan schrieb: > >> On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> > >>> Well,

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-07-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/29 Harald Kleiner : > Hi! > > I want to talk about this page on the wiki describing how to map tunnels > correctly: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tunnel#How_to_Map > > Especially the last paragraph causes headaches to me: > "If the tunnel ends in a junction you'll need a small un-tunn

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")

2009-07-29 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:17:59 +0200, Ulf Lamping wrote: > Joseph Scanlan schrieb: >> On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> >>> Well, I would tag them completely differently. It is a different kind >>> of object, it is not a Motel where you just pay according to a >>> different fee sys

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/29 Greg Troxel : > There are three separate concepts: > >  physical structure > >  administrative designation > >  importance according to actual use maybe there could be also a forth that is structural importance for the historical development (e.g. the main street, that was there before a

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")

2009-07-29 Thread Arlindo Pereira
Yes, that's right, usually regular couples go there. Should I propose a new tag? Cheers, 2009/7/29 Ulf Lamping > Joseph Scanlan schrieb: > > On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > >> Well, I would tag them completely differently. It is a different kind > >> of object, it is not a

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings - a website

2009-07-29 Thread maning sambale
This is really useful and would love this simple service to be implemented. I prefer though that the data shouldn't be directly added to the database especially for well-mapped areas. Some POIs do not appear in the map (mapnik or osmarender). A volunteer mapper can subscribe to a boundingbox and e

[OSM-talk] Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-29 Thread Pieren
Hi all, Today I saw for the first time on the area I'm contributing a tag called traffic_sign=city_limit. Then I went on the map features and discovered it. Huh, why not... I'm not watching the map features changes since the page length is exceeding 100 meters ... But I'm reading this list and oth

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")

2009-07-29 Thread Joseph Scanlan
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Ulf Lamping wrote: > You seem to think about an "inofficial brothel", as prostitution is illegal > in some parts of nevada. Sorry I wasn't clear. I understand the love motel isn't a brothel. My point is that in places that disapprove (officially or not) some business loo

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")

2009-07-29 Thread Ulf Lamping
Joseph Scanlan schrieb: > On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> Well, I would tag them completely differently. It is a different kind >> of object, it is not a Motel where you just pay according to a >> different fee system / business modell. > > Around here I would not use a separ

[OSM-talk] Business listings - a website

2009-07-29 Thread OJ W
Sorry for breaking the thread, but I did a mockup of a website that people could use to enter their own businesses into OSM: http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/SmallAds/ so any user of this website can* create up to 5 OSM nodes, label them as amenity=whatever, and enter a description, a phone numb

Re: [OSM-talk] i18n-rich areas on the map

2009-07-29 Thread Woll Newall
o > read, but those people in those countries won't contribute if they > don't > see their language displayed in their countries. > As the discussion is showing, there are some efforts to have dynamic > text layers which I believe is important hence the translitteration &

[OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-07-29 Thread Harald Kleiner
Hi! I want to talk about this page on the wiki describing how to map tunnels correctly: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tunnel#How_to_Map Especially the last paragraph causes headaches to me: "If the tunnel ends in a junction you'll need a small un-tunneled way between the end of the tunnel

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-29 Thread Paul Houle
Arlindo Pereira wrote: > I strongly disagree with you on this point. If I could use Google Maps > to find plumbers, dentists and web designers, why shouldn't I be able > to do it with OpenStreetMap? Perhaps not on Garmin, but on OSM.org or > OpenStreetBrowser or whatever application that uses OS

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")

2009-07-29 Thread Joseph Scanlan
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Well, I would tag them completely differently. It is a different kind > of object, it is not a Motel where you just pay according to a > different fee system / business modell. Around here I would not use a separate tag. No-Tell Motels must show

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-29 Thread Greg Troxel
If the highway-tag was the only tag on a road, I would agree with this approach, but as we are meanwhile tagging physical attributes as supplementory tags (e.g. lanes, surface, traffic-lights), as we do for administrative classification (ref), I am in favour of changing the definition fo

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")

2009-07-29 Thread Arlindo Pereira
That's the point. Shouldn't we use another tag to map these kind of hotels? I imagine a search tool for each type of hotels, without having to guess about the period or the movies :P 2009/7/29 Joseph Scanlan > Perhaps an additional tag to show stay duration. > >stay=hourly;daily;weekly;m

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")

2009-07-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/29 Joseph Scanlan : > Perhaps an additional tag to show stay duration. > >        stay=hourly;daily;weekly;monthly > > Use any that apply.  (There's probably a better tag to use than 'stay'.) > > We used to have a motel in town that featured "Free XXX Adult Movies" on > their Marque (just in

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")

2009-07-29 Thread Joseph Scanlan
Perhaps an additional tag to show stay duration. stay=hourly;daily;weekly;monthly Use any that apply. (There's probably a better tag to use than 'stay'.) We used to have a motel in town that featured "Free XXX Adult Movies" on their Marque (just in case hourly rates weren't a big enoug

[OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Hi, reading the English page for tag highway http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway and comparing it to the German version, I found some inconsistencies. Whilst I generally would have tried to transfer the English content to the German page, in this particular case I think that the German

Re: [OSM-talk] i18n-rich areas on the map

2009-07-29 Thread Emilie Laffray
Ed Avis wrote: > This is not really name:en, more like name:j...@romaji. > > For example the Imperial Palace in Tokyo would have > > name:en=Imperial Palace > name:j...@romaji=koukyo > name:jp=?? > > Similar considerations apply to countries with more than one alphabet, for > example >

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-29 Thread Arlindo Pereira
I strongly disagree with you on this point. If I could use Google Maps to find plumbers, dentists and web designers, why shouldn't I be able to do it with OpenStreetMap? Perhaps not on Garmin, but on OSM.org or OpenStreetBrowser or whatever application that uses OSM data. Maybe it's just a matter o

Re: [OSM-talk] Question about gps coordinates 001W0547 convert to -1.0547

2009-07-29 Thread OJ W
are you sure it's not degrees minutes and seconds mashed-together? "004E4800" looks a bit like 4 degrees, 48 minutes, 00 seconds On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Thomas Wood wrote: > It looks like its a mashed form of the standard decimal Lat Lons. > > Assuming your conversion is correct: > Rep

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")

2009-07-29 Thread Arlindo Pereira
Always on short time basis (1-4h) and always with the "love" factor... perhaps the portuguese Wikipedia article translated to english [2] would help on clarifying that. 2: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=pt-BR&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpt.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMotel Cheers, 2009/7/29

Re: [OSM-talk] Question about gps coordinates 001W0547 convert to -1.0547

2009-07-29 Thread Thomas Wood
It looks like its a mashed form of the standard decimal Lat Lons. Assuming your conversion is correct: Replace the letter with a decimal point. If S or W place a - before the first set of digits for that coordinate. Swap the pair of coordinates around, so the northing is first, as is more common.

[OSM-talk] Question about gps coordinates 001W0547 convert to -1.0547

2009-07-29 Thread Marc Coevoet
Hello, I want to convert 004E4800,47N2000 002W2300,57N 001W0547,51N4823 013E2600,47N3400 013E2600,47N3400 013E2600,47N3400 013E2600,47N3400 013E2500,47N3343 to something where 001W0547 becomes -1.0547 Is gpsbabel capable, and what format is 001W0547 ?? Thanks, Marc -- Shortwave transm

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")

2009-07-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/29 Arlindo Pereira : > Hi there, > > here in Brazil, and in most of Latin America as I can see on Wikipedia [1], > so-called "motels" are short-time hotels or "love hotels", differing from > the original concept in english (hotel for drivers). Do you think that we > should tag them different

[OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")

2009-07-29 Thread Arlindo Pereira
Hi there, here in Brazil, and in most of Latin America as I can see on Wikipedia [1], so-called "motels" are short-time hotels or "love hotels", differing from the original concept in english (hotel for drivers). Do you think that we should tag them differently (such as amenity=lovehotel or whatev

Re: [OSM-talk] Custom OpenStreetMaps ?

2009-07-29 Thread Scott Bronson
Apparently you need to host the map yourself. 1) Click Download Map 2) Upload map.html it to your web host or save it to a directory on your local machine 3) Put map.css and util.js into the same directory as map.html (urls below) 4) Open map.html in Firefox. Everything should just work. (I disc

Re: [OSM-talk] SotM talk - Stats on user churn - Slides?

2009-07-29 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 04:56:17PM +0200, Florian Lohoff wrote: > Hi, > > there was a talk on SotM which besides other interesting things > had numbers on user churn, aktivity and other stuff. I cant remember > who was talking but i'd be interested in the slides. Are they > online somewhere? Got

Re: [OSM-talk] SotM talk - Stats on user churn - Slides?

2009-07-29 Thread Shaun McDonald
All the presentations and videos are linked from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2009 if they are available. (If anyone hasn't added theirs, please do so). Shaun On 29 Jul 2009, at 15:56, Florian Lohoff wrote: Hi, there was a talk on SotM which besides other interestin

[OSM-talk] SotM talk - Stats on user churn - Slides?

2009-07-29 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hi, there was a talk on SotM which besides other interesting things had numbers on user churn, aktivity and other stuff. I cant remember who was talking but i'd be interested in the slides. Are they online somewhere? Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@rfc822.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Custom OpenStreetMaps ?

2009-07-29 Thread Valent Turkovic
This looks fabulous! I just can't figure out how to make permanent maps. I created a temporary preview map but that links expired quite soon :( How to make permanent custom map links? Cheers! On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Tom Hughes wrote: >> So somebody just n

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-29 Thread James Livingston
On 29/07/2009, at 5:45 AM, Jack Stringer wrote: > Should we be charging to upgrade businesses details on OSM? > > I think it should be free. You could pay OSM to have a OSM member put > all the details onto the map for them, saving them signing up etc. But > I would not like to see charging being t

Re: [OSM-talk] is_in and similar tags

2009-07-29 Thread Roland Olbricht
> > Could someone[1] setup a web-service where you send it a lat/lon and > > it returns a list of all boundaries that point is within? So just one > > website imports the boundary data instead of everyone having to know > > how to do the 'is within' search[2]. > > I think you might be able to do

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-29 Thread Alex Mauer
On 07/28/2009 11:45 AM, Christoph Böhme wrote: > According to Wikipedia "clearance" [1] is the free space between a > vehicle and the structure (i.e. bridge) it is passing through. The > maximum height (and width) of the vehicle is -- at least for railways -- > called "loading gauge" [2] while the

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-29 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Mark Williams wrote: > > Therefore maxheight is a property of the way going under the bridge, > possibly >1 way if the road is fragmented in OSM, and ought to be on the > whole road from where the sign is until after the bridge. Yup, that seems to be the consensus