Re: [OSM-talk] Osm2SpatiaLite ?

2009-11-25 Thread Rahkonen Jukka
Hi, That's great news. I am sure that you will make an easy-to-use configuration system for selecting which features and tags will be imported into database. I am awaiting the next release. -Jukka- Lähettäjä: Igor Brejc [mailto:igor.br...@gmail.co

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping everything as areas

2009-11-25 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Michal Migurski wrote: > I think it will be necessary to retain both lines and areas [..] Maybe lines and areas each serve a different purpose : areas describe the physical layout of the world whereas lines describe navigation paths. So maybe the debate should be re-framed as whether OpenStreetMap

Re: [OSM-talk] Bridge on Hiking Trails

2009-11-25 Thread John Smith
2009/11/26 andrzej zaborowski : > I assume layer is 0 if I don't add the layer tag. Yes, which is usually anything at ground level. > Hopefully this is the correct thing to assume because otherwise things > will break if I have a bridge with no layer tag and a another bridge No they won't break,

Re: [OSM-talk] Osm2SpatiaLite ?

2009-11-25 Thread Igor Brejc
Hi, I've implemented importing of OSM data into SpatiaLite DB and integrated it successfully with Kosmos map rendering code. SpatiaLite OSM database can be quite fast, but I had to learn a trick or two to reach good performance. I even managed to import the latest UK data into it and it didn't com

Re: [OSM-talk] Bridge on Hiking Trails

2009-11-25 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/11/25 Dave F. : > Shaun McDonald wrote: >> on the way use highway=footway; bridge=yes; layer=1. > > I didn't think the layer=1 was necessary when there's only one bridge - > it defaults to display above other objects. > I only use in there a multiple bridges crossing each other. I assume laye

Re: [OSM-talk] Osm2SpatiaLite ?

2009-11-25 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Jon Burgess googlemail.com> writes: > > Alternatively, are there plans to make an OSM driver for > > ogr2ogr? > > Not that I know of. I'm sure you could fallback to some path like: > > osm -> postgres -> shapefile -> spatialite I am doing it as osm -> postgres -> spatialite by using osm2pg

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping everything as areas

2009-11-25 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/11/25 Jean-Marc Liotier : > Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason's diary entry last week (http://j.mp/8ESP8o) > stired my interest. Using a few examples, he showed how mapping > everything as an area - or as a volume - makes ultimate sense. Should we > go for it now ? The main usage for this that I see wo

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping everything as areas

2009-11-25 Thread Michal Migurski
On Nov 25, 2009, at 4:40 PM, Roy Wallace wrote: > On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Anthony wrote: >> >> Now, how are you going to indicate a direction of travel on an area? >> I guess you could come up with some way to do it, but you'd basically >> be defining a way. > > Good point. Anyone got id

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping everything as areas

2009-11-25 Thread Teemu Koskinen
On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:40:53 +0200, Roy Wallace wrote: > On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Anthony wrote: >> >> Now, how are you going to indicate a direction of travel on an area? >> I guess you could come up with some way to do it, but you'd basically >> be defining a way. > > Good point. Any

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping everything as areas

2009-11-25 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Anthony wrote: > > Now, how are you going to indicate a direction of travel on an area? > I guess you could come up with some way to do it, but you'd basically > be defining a way. Good point. Anyone got ideas on this? Maybe it is indeed necessary to map each high

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging for Seasonal/Dry Streams

2009-11-25 Thread Colin Marquardt
2009/11/26 Dan Homerick : > I used an 'intermittent=yes' tag for a county-wide import I did. FWIW, I also use intermittent=yes. Cheers Colin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping everything as areas

2009-11-25 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2009/11/26 Anthony >> >> losing method into the winning method.  By that time we'll have every >> single area of the globe (except maybe the oceans) covered by an area, >> right?  :) > > or even by several areas and inside even more bo

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping everything as areas

2009-11-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/11/26 Anthony > losing method into the winning method. By that time we'll have every > single area of the globe (except maybe the oceans) covered by an area, > right? :) > or even by several areas and inside even more boundaries... ;-) cheers, Martin _

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping everything as areas

2009-11-25 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Tobias Knerr wrote: > There have been several discussions whether area borders - such as > landuse areas - should use the same nodes as streets they are adjacent > to. Iirc, some participants complained that sharing nodes causes editing > problems - making it hard

Re: [OSM-talk] Bridge on Hiking Trails

2009-11-25 Thread Tobias Knerr
Dave F. wrote: > I didn't think the layer=1 was necessary when there's only one bridge - > it defaults to display above other objects. This assumption isn't defined anywhere (afaik). Therefore, it relies on arbitrary and undocumented implementation details of specific renderers, which should be a

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping everything as areas

2009-11-25 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2009/11/25 Anthony >> >> >> >> >> I didn't know that was up for debate.  I thought the consensus was >> >> that they should not only share nodes, but they should share ways as >> >> well. >> > >> > no, I don't think that's a good idea

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping everything as areas

2009-11-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Anthony wrote: > Wow. I hope you're in the minority on that one, because now that I > discovered multipolygon relations there's no way I'm going back to > mapping the exact same line three times (e.g. to represent a park > adjacent to a residential area separated by a fence). That's certainl

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging for Seasonal/Dry Streams

2009-11-25 Thread Dan Homerick
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Scott Atwood wrote: > I'm currently doing mapping for the island of Maui in Hawai'i. The leeward > side of this island has a large number of streams that are dry nearly all > the time, only containing water during periods of heavy rain. On maps, > these streams a

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping everything as areas

2009-11-25 Thread Tobias Knerr
Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: > 2009/11/25 Tobias Knerr > >> Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: >>> Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason's diary entry last week (http://j.mp/8ESP8o) >>> stired my interest. Using a few examples, he showed how mapping >>> everything as an area - or as a volume - makes ultimate sense. Shou

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging for Seasonal/Dry Streams

2009-11-25 Thread Greg Troxel
See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/National_Hydrography_Dataset http://www.mail-archive.com/newb...@openstreetmap.org/msg03521.html It sems 'obvious' :-) that this should be waterway=stream stream=intermittent pgpvyQUE20BJu.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping everything as areas

2009-11-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/11/25 Anthony > >> > >> I didn't know that was up for debate. I thought the consensus was > >> that they should not only share nodes, but they should share ways as > >> well. > > > > no, I don't think that's a good idea as the resulting multipolygons make > the > > situation unnecessarily c

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping everything as areas

2009-11-25 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2009/11/25 Anthony >> >> I didn't know that was up for debate.  I thought the consensus was >> that they should not only share nodes, but they should share ways as >> well. > > no, I don't think that's a good idea as the resulting mult

[OSM-talk] Tagging for Seasonal/Dry Streams

2009-11-25 Thread Scott Atwood
I'm currently doing mapping for the island of Maui in Hawai'i. The leeward side of this island has a large number of streams that are dry nearly all the time, only containing water during periods of heavy rain. On maps, these streams are often depicted as dashed or dotted blue lines. Is there an

Re: [OSM-talk] Bridge on Hiking Trails

2009-11-25 Thread Scott Atwood
I think I may understand your confusion here. You may think of "highway" to mean a high-speed paved road on which motor vehicles travel. But within the context of OSM, the "highway" tag is much more general purpose. Virtually all formal and informal roads and paths should be tagged "highway", ev

Re: [OSM-talk] Bridge on Hiking Trails

2009-11-25 Thread Michael Kugelmann
Dave F. schrieb: >> on the way use highway=footway; bridge=yes; layer=1. >> > I didn't think the layer=1 was necessary when there's only one bridge - > it defaults to display above other objects. > I only use in there a multiple bridges crossing each other. > I don't trust any more on def

Re: [OSM-talk] Bridge on Hiking Trails

2009-11-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/11/25 Dave F. > Shaun McDonald wrote: > > on the way use highway=footway; bridge=yes; layer=1. > > I didn't think the layer=1 was necessary when there's only one bridge - > it defaults to display above other objects. > I only use in there a multiple bridges crossing each other. > AFAIK most

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping everything as areas

2009-11-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/11/25 Anthony > I didn't know that was up for debate. I thought the consensus was > that they should not only share nodes, but they should share ways as > well. > no, I don't think that's a good idea as the resulting multipolygons make the situation unnecessarily complicated. cheers, Mart

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping everything as areas

2009-11-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/11/25 Tobias Knerr > Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > > Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason's diary entry last week (http://j.mp/8ESP8o) > > stired my interest. Using a few examples, he showed how mapping > > everything as an area - or as a volume - makes ultimate sense. Should we > > go for it now ? > > Imo,

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping everything as areas

2009-11-25 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Roy Wallace wrote: > I'm not convinced that, say, a road should be mapped as *both* a way > and an area - I don't see any need for that. If the road doesn't have a constant width you basically need an area. Now, how are you going to indicate a direction of travel

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping everything as areas

2009-11-25 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 1:51 AM, Anthony wrote: > > Isn't it better in most situations to have both (ways and areas) > rather than just one or the other? > > At an intersection, yes, there is one squarish section of road that I > am capable of traveling on in any spot in any direction.  But the >

Re: [OSM-talk] Bridge on Hiking Trails

2009-11-25 Thread Dave F.
Shaun McDonald wrote: > on the way use highway=footway; bridge=yes; layer=1. I didn't think the layer=1 was necessary when there's only one bridge - it defaults to display above other objects. I only use in there a multiple bridges crossing each other. Dave F. _

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping everything as areas

2009-11-25 Thread Tobias Knerr
Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason's diary entry last week (http://j.mp/8ESP8o) > stired my interest. Using a few examples, he showed how mapping > everything as an area - or as a volume - makes ultimate sense. Should we > go for it now ? Imo, area mapping is too advanced for no

Re: [OSM-talk] Osm2SpatiaLite ?

2009-11-25 Thread Jon Burgess
On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 15:16 +, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: > Hi, > > Has anybody written a tool like osm2pgsql for importing OSM data directly into > SpatiaLite database? If you want to have a go yourself you could look at: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/1371 This copied the postgres code a

Re: [OSM-talk] Bridge on Hiking Trails

2009-11-25 Thread Russ Nelson
You don't have to fill in *anything* in a preset. If you don't, then all of the optional stuff is left out and you only get the "bridge=yes" tag, which is useful if you've forgotten. Otherwise, you can just add it as an attribute. The typing completion makes it very easy. Click on "Add", type "

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping everything as areas

2009-11-25 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > Mapping the crossing of two roads, four cycleways and four sidewalks all > as surfaces requires about twenty times as many nodes as mapping the > crossing of two linear roads. That is a hefty increase in complexity, > especially when havi

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping everything as areas

2009-11-25 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 13:11, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason's diary entry last week (http://j.mp/8ESP8o) > stired my interest. Using a few examples, he showed how mapping > everything as an area - or as a volume - makes ultimate sense. Should we > go for it now ? It's good t

[OSM-talk] Osm2SpatiaLite ?

2009-11-25 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Hi, Has anybody written a tool like osm2pgsql for importing OSM data directly into SpatiaLite database? Alternatively, are there plans to make an OSM driver for ogr2ogr? -Jukka Rahkonen- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.ope

Re: [OSM-talk] Bridge on Hiking Trails

2009-11-25 Thread Craig Wallace
On 25/11/2009 14:45, Shalabh wrote: > JOSM does not give me that option of a bridge under hiking trail, > atleast not while using the presets. If I use the highway tag with a > bridge, consider this. I have a hiking trail marked as an 'demanding > alpine hiking' 50 km from any humanity and then

Re: [OSM-talk] Bridge on Hiking Trails

2009-11-25 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Shalabh gmail.com> writes: > > > JOSM does not give me that option of a bridge under hiking trail, atleast not while using the presets. Forget the presets, you can tag how ever you want in OSM. Split your trail from both ends of the bridge, select that part and add tag "bridge=yes" with the +

Re: [OSM-talk] Bridge on Hiking Trails

2009-11-25 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Shalabh wrote: > JOSM does not give me that option of a bridge under hiking trail, > atleast not while using the presets. If I use the highway tag with a > bridge, consider this. I have a hiking trail marked as an 'demanding > alpine hiking' 50 km from any humanity and then I have a bridge tagged >

Re: [OSM-talk] Bridge on Hiking Trails

2009-11-25 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Shalabh wrote: > using highway tag means giving speed limits. You don't have to - it is optional. > I am using the path=hiking trail for the trail and would ideally need a > bridge attribute 'yes' within the hiking trail. Add the "bridge=yes" tag - it works just fine for that. ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Bridge on Hiking Trails

2009-11-25 Thread Shalabh
JOSM does not give me that option of a bridge under hiking trail, atleast not while using the presets. If I use the highway tag with a bridge, consider this. I have a hiking trail marked as an 'demanding alpine hiking' 50 km from any humanity and then I have a bridge tagged as highway in the middle

Re: [OSM-talk] Bridge on Hiking Trails

2009-11-25 Thread Shalabh
Dont think my question was specific enough. I am using JOSM for this and using highway tag means giving speed limits. I am using the path=hiking trail for the trail and would ideally need a bridge attribute 'yes' within the hiking trail. Regards, Shalabh On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Russ Nel

Re: [OSM-talk] Bridge on Hiking Trails

2009-11-25 Thread Russ Nelson
Shalabh writes: > Was mapping a few hiking trails with foot-only bridges on the trail and > could not figure out a way to mark these bridge since the only bridge > waypoint needs the same parameters as a highway. > > Any pointers on how to do this best? Sure. Any bridgey thing can be tagged

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping everything as areas

2009-11-25 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2009/11/25 Jean-Marc Liotier : > Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason's diary entry last week (http://j.mp/8ESP8o) > stired my interest. Using a few examples, he showed how mapping > everything as an area - or as a volume - makes ultimate sense. Should we > go for it now ? > > Mapping the crossing of two roads,

Re: [OSM-talk] Bridge on Hiking Trails

2009-11-25 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 25 Nov 2009, at 11:45, Shalabh wrote: > Was mapping a few hiking trails with foot-only bridges on the trail and could > not figure out a way to mark these bridge since the only bridge waypoint > needs the same parameters as a highway. > > Any pointers on how to do this best? > on the way

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping everything as areas

2009-11-25 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:11:29 +0100, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason's diary entry last week (http://j.mp/8ESP8o) > stired my interest. Using a few examples, he showed how mapping > everything as an area - or as a volume - makes ultimate sense. Should we > go for it now ? Not

[OSM-talk] Mapping everything as areas

2009-11-25 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason's diary entry last week (http://j.mp/8ESP8o) stired my interest. Using a few examples, he showed how mapping everything as an area - or as a volume - makes ultimate sense. Should we go for it now ? Mapping the crossing of two roads, four cycleways and four sidewalks all

[OSM-talk] Bridge on Hiking Trails

2009-11-25 Thread Shalabh
Was mapping a few hiking trails with foot-only bridges on the trail and could not figure out a way to mark these bridge since the only bridge waypoint needs the same parameters as a highway. Any pointers on how to do this best? Regards, Shalabh ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 1.3

2009-11-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/11/25 Frederik Ramm > Hi, > > Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > > El Martes, 24 de Noviembre de 2009, Frederik Ramm escribió: > >> Maybe "~= 100km", but "== 60 nm". > > > > Am I the only one who has read that as "60 nanometers"? > > No, a certain Martin K. has already reported the same. I'd say i

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 1.3

2009-11-25 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andrew Errington wrote: > When I slide the aerial photos around (by holding the space bar) the > photo layer jumps around and seem to snap to positions far away > from where the mouse is. This didn't used to happen. > > I'm sure this is not the right place to file a bug report Please post a tic