[Talk-transit] East Yorkshire NaPTAN data

2009-11-30 Thread Chris Hill
I have contacted the East Riding of Yorkshire council about NaPTAN data. They would welcome our feedback about the quality of NaPTAN in the county. The mappers in the county have checked about 20% so far, so I expect to be able to send this feedback early next year. The quality of the data

Re: [Talk-vi] Talk-vi Digest, Vol 3, Issue 11

2009-11-30 Thread Jasper Waale
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Re: [Talk-hr] 1. mapping party - aftermath

2009-11-30 Thread Dražen Odobašić
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:57:34AM +0100, Željko Filipin wrote: 2009/11/29 Dražen Odobašić dodoba...@gmail.com Što se dešava u srijedu? Od 17-21h je u Mami okupljanje, ideja je staviti zaključke na wiki, što kako gdje napraviti drugačije. A vjerujem da će se podaci i uređivati. Srećom su

[Talk-hr] Potlatch 2 - probajte

2009-11-30 Thread Marjan Vrban
Izašao je Potlatch 2, evo linka na read only, verziju koja je još u razvoju, ali dobro izgleda. Osijek http://www.geowiki.com/potlatch2/?lat=45.561418lon=18.676882zoom=15 Zagreb http://www.geowiki.com/potlatch2/?lat=45.81299lon=15.97875zoom=15 ___

[OSM-talk-be] About SNCB/NMBS and Infrabel

2009-11-30 Thread gvdmoort
Newby on OSM, I see that a lot of good work is completed about the railway network, but it seems that the relevant tags are not always consistent. Should a way/relation relative to a railway line be described as a «line» of the SNCB/NMBS (with the focus on the service, the operator, the

Re: [OSM-talk-be] About SNCB/NMBS and InfrabelnAN

2009-11-30 Thread Ben Laenen
gvdmo...@skynet.be wrote: Should a way/relation relative to a railway line be described as a �line� of the SNCB/NMBS (with the focus on the service, the operator, the destinations, and so) or a physical infrastructure of Infrabel (with the focus on the technical characteristics) ? Now,

[OSM-talk-be] Mapping and tagging of railways.

2009-11-30 Thread Karel Adams
Further to Gauthier's message relating to Belgian Railways: it seems obvious to me that LINE NUMBERS should be published, not train indicators. Compare to bars/cafés: we should mention the NAME of the place, not what beers are on tap or what food they serve. After all, services offered on a

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping and tagging of railways.

2009-11-30 Thread Maarten Deen
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:47:31 +, Karel Adams ade...@skynet.be wrote: Further to Gauthier's message relating to Belgian Railways: it seems obvious to me that LINE NUMBERS should be published, not train indicators. Compare to bars/cafés: we should mention the NAME of the place, not what

[OSM-talk-be] Alternate bus routes

2009-11-30 Thread Benoit Leseul
Hello everyone, I'm new to this list but I've been doing some mapping in Brussels for a few months. Recently, I have been tracking bus stops in my area and found an interesting case: the bus line 41 from the STIB/MIVB. Its route happens to be different on weekdays and during the weekend, due to

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: Yes, because there are two solutions to that problem. 1) Add an extra tag in that single country that differs from the rest of the world. But don't bother all the other mappers. IMHO Don't piss off the whole world, just piss

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: It would also be possible to solve the problem generically for the whole planet. The real problem is that many people claim that there is no problem or that they have already solved it and everybody should just do as they do. +1

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO Don't piss off the whole world, just piss off one country is a bad solution, if there is no need to piss off anyone at all. +1 Yes, but I would like us to define what the different national defaults are, so that

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Mike Harris
As an Englander who has lived, albeit briefly, in Germany I do perhaps recognise the difference between Germany and England as regards cycleways. I think - but am not certain - that Germany is relatively unusual in having a lot of cycleways that are NOT for pedestrians (foot=no) as Cartinus

Re: [OSM-talk] Osm2SpatiaLite ?

2009-11-30 Thread Rory McCann
On 25/11/09 15:16, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: Hi, Has anybody written a tool like osm2pgsql for importing OSM data directly into SpatiaLite database? Alternatively, are there plans to make an OSM driver for ogr2ogr? -Jukka Rahkonen- For my own needs I created a script to convert from OSM

[OSM-talk] Potlatch 2

2009-11-30 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Hi all, I’d like to tell you about Potlatch 2, the all-new version of the OpenStreetMap online editor. Potlatch 2 is a complete rewrite still with the same principle in mind: an editor which hits the right balance between speed, ease-of-use, and flexibility. It’s under very active development

Re: [OSM-talk] MapMaker competitions

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Bennett
Just had a look at MapMaker. One cute thing: I made a change, and when it got moderated, I had a look at the comment. It had this: Interesting notes about this edit: This road is not smooth or has an unusual turn angle User is very new A mature feature has been modified This is a very

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO Don't piss off the whole world, just piss off one country is a bad solution, if there is no need to piss off anyone at all. +1 I see your point, but WOW, that seems like a lot of extra STUFF to maintain - and

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Nick Whitelegg
I'm doing a lot of mapping of pedestrian and bike paths around my area, and am having trouble deciding when to use path, when footway, and when cycleway. I'm particularly troubled by the way Potlatch describes path as unofficial path - making it sound like an unpaved line of footprints carved

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 2

2009-11-30 Thread Johnny Rose Carlsen
Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: I’d like to tell you about Potlatch 2, the all-new version of the OpenStreetMap online editor. This is fantastic, I was getting really tired of the BAN POTLATCH!! messages here, now I look forward to BAN POTLATCH 2!! instead. Anyway, keep up the

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 2

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: Just like the tagging, the rendering is easy to customise. It uses a special form of CSS, called MapCSS, which lets you create wonderful-looking maps with just a few lines of text. The tagging and rendering together

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: Do you know whether bikes can access the path? If a designated bike path, use highway=cycleway/bicycle=designated (optional). If you're not sure, use highway=footway and leave the bicycle tag out or use

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Richard Mann
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: This would simply be highway=cycleway, I think the general assumption is that pedestrians are permitted unless foot=no is added. The crux of the matter is that this is not what the wiki says, and not what at

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: The UK view appears to be: foot can go anywhere (except motorways) unless you say foot=no The German view appears to be: foot can go anywhere except motorways, cycleways and bridleways And we have

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO Don't piss off the whole world, just piss off one country is a bad solution, if there is no need to piss off anyone at all. +1 I see

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Richard Mann
I didn't resolve it because either the UK view or the German view (or some other view) has to be the default. What we can't agree is which should be the default. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Richard Mann

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Steve Bennett wrote: [...] I tend to believe I can ride my bike wherever the hell I want unless there's a sign saying otherwise. That's fine for your personal decision making. However, for OSM we need to provide people with as much information as possible so they can make their own, possibly

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Liz
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Richard Mann wrote: I didn't resolve it because either the UK view or the German view (or some other view) has to be the default. What we can't agree is which should be the default. not at all we can have a cycleway und einen Fahrradweg

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: 1) I told them that *the wiki recommends* that they do need to use cycleway=opposite where appropriate. 1a) This is different to *me* telling them what to do - the wiki carries more weight as it is the outcome of

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I wish we could codify these general assumptions. Because they won't be universal, which means there is bad map data being generated. I think it's critical that this stuff be summarised on the wiki. Besides being highly

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk wrote: Steve Bennett wrote: [...] I tend to believe I can ride my bike wherever the hell I want unless there's a sign saying otherwise. That's fine for your personal decision making. However, for OSM we

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: I didn't resolve it because either the UK view or the German view (or some other view) has to be the default. What we can't agree is which should be the default. Does it matter?? How hard is it to tag

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Does it matter?? How hard is it to tag cycleways and bridleways with foot=yes/no?? I would have no problem with that, if it helped give us consistency. From a purely pragmatic perspective, the more repetitive tasks

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/11/29 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: When is there a path and when is there not a path? I walk through an area of grass every time I go to the park near my house. Isn't that a path which is part of reality? An

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Am I out of line here? Of course I want to see a globally consistent, useful database. But ultimately, I want to see the most number of users happy with their local data. And if that means tags mean something slightly

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/11/30 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: This would simply be highway=cycleway, I think the general assumption is that pedestrians are permitted unless foot=no is added. The crux of

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Does it matter?? How hard is it to tag cycleways and bridleways with foot=yes/no?? I would have no problem with that, if it helped give us

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: An area of grass is - to me - not a path. A path, IMHO, is something that exists independently of people walking or not walking on it (i.e. usually you can *see* that it resembles a path). -1, a path is either

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.comwrote: I think it's critical that this stuff be summarised on the wiki. Besides being highly relevant to those who want to know *how to tag things*, it might help us find a way forward out of this mess. Yep. Even if some of

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Peter Childs
2009/11/30 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: An area of grass is - to me - not a path. A path, IMHO, is something that exists independently of people walking or not walking on it (i.e. usually you can *see*

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I think we should aim for a globally consistent database, because 1) I travel a fair bit (I've never been to Bulgaria, but maybe someday soon) 2) I do NOT want to be limited to Noppia-compatible routing software if I

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Emilie Laffray
2009/11/30 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.comwrote: I think it's critical that this stuff be summarised on the wiki. Besides being highly relevant to those who want to know *how to tag things*, it might help us find a way

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Richard Mann
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Liz wrote: we can have a cycleway und einen Fahrradweg Yep. And cycleway ~= Fahrradweg. Steve There are umpteen ways of resolving it. The problem is that we don't have a process for agreeing which. I wouldn't go

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/11/30 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com A shortcut through grass that you can see, sure! e.g. http://s0.geograph.org.uk/photos/18/97/189701_92c9a5d5.jpg But if you can't see it - sorry - you're not going to convince me that there is a path. +1, I completely agree with you. Only

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I think we should aim for a globally consistent database, because 1) I travel a fair bit (I've never been to Bulgaria, but maybe someday soon)

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Um...what??? That will not write itself. Do you expect us to successfully digitize and maintain a database of all laws of all countries? What do you think? Work with me, here. In a wiki, even? That's ambitious! I'd

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 2

2009-11-30 Thread Marjan Vrban
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:55:18 +, Richard Mann wrote: Dare I ask whether Halcyon can do offset lines (so we can start to do one-way, bike lanes bus lanes with different casings)? Richard Great news for Potlatch users, i would suggest that you implement icons for POI-s (At least for

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag properties

2009-11-30 Thread Ed Avis
Steve Bennett stevagewp at gmail.com writes: 1) After tagging a building, I want to define the property boundary that the building sits in. In some cases, there's a landuse tag (landuse=commercial, residential), but how to tag a non-profit bowling club, a school, ...? Do you simply tag it

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag properties

2009-11-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/11/30 Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com 2) Sometimes there is one occupied block in the middle of large areas of nothingness. I want to tag the block to show that there is something there - ie, it's not unmapped. I don't quite understand what you mean; if there is 'something' then why not

[OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-11-30 Thread Martin Fossdal Guttesen
how do i tag/draw a connection between 2 islands, it is not a bridge as i understand a bridge take a look at the pictures on this page if you dont know what i mean http://landsverk.fo/default.asp?sida=718bolkaid=6projectid=299 /LiFo___ talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-11-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/11/30 Martin Fossdal Guttesen mgutte...@hotmail.com how do i tag/draw a connection between 2 islands, it is not a bridge as i understand a bridge take a look at the pictures on this page if you dont know what i mean http://landsverk.fo/default.asp?sida=718bolkaid=6projectid=299 yes,

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag properties

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Steve Bennett stevagewp at gmail.com writes: 1) After tagging a building, I want to define the property boundary that the building sits in. In some cases, there's a landuse tag (landuse=commercial, residential), but how to

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag properties

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Bennett
Incidentally, what's the best way to map nothing. Big, empty blocks on the fringes of the city. Again, I want to distinguish between unmapped and unoccupied. Some of them may be farms/agistment, some may be greenfield, some might be crown land, some might be owned but unoccupied. (Or maybe I

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-11-30 Thread Martin Fossdal Guttesen
Ok thanks i will use embankment there are only 2 of them in Faroe Islands so no biggie to change but then is the question what/how to tag right now i just have a way going from one island to the other should i draw an area that is a little wider than the road and tag the area as an

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal RFC leisure=dog_park

2009-11-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
This is a RFC for leisure=dog_park, where the initial proposal is from http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/pjwebster/ who didn't contribute since March 2008 and who doesn't respond to Emails (that's why I make this call, on request from User:Giardia). Please see the proposal here:

[OSM-talk] RFC: Disability Description

2009-11-30 Thread Lulu-Ann
Hi, please have a look at my new proposal DisabilityDescription: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/DisabilityDescription It allows you to provide information of special interest to disabled persons. Thanks Lulu-Ann -- Sarah Kreuz, die DSDS-Siegerin der Herzen, mit ihrem

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-11-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/11/30 Martin Fossdal Guttesen mgutte...@hotmail.com Ok thanks i will use embankment there are only 2 of them in Faroe Islands so no biggie to change but then is the question what/how to tag right now i just have a way going from one island to the other should i draw an area that

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-11-30 Thread Peter Körner
right now i just have a way going from one island to the other should i draw an area that is a little wider than the road and tag the area as an embankment or should i just put an embankment on the way What ever you like better. Remember usage (leads to) convenience (leads to)

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal RFC leisure=dog_park

2009-11-30 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Please see the proposal here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dog_off-leash_area This tag already seems to be well in use: http://osmdoc.com/en/tag/leisure/dog_park and there are no violent objections on the talk page, so it seems like it's fine

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 2

2009-11-30 Thread Sam Vekemans
Awesome, i like how there will be (is) someway to view data thats available, but not yet imported :) i mention that at our CanVec import meeting saturday. So we'll find the best way to make it work. Sam On 11/30/09, Marjan Vrban mvr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:55:18 +, Richard

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - photo studio

2009-11-30 Thread assetburned
Hi, I don't know if this is exactly the right way to do it, but I read the Proposal creation guidelines and I hope it is. I needed some pictures for a new passport, so I thought why not tagging that store? There are several similar stores I would like to tag in my town. So I thought I search

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal RFC leisure=dog_park

2009-11-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/11/30 Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk Please see the proposal here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dog_off-leash_area This tag already seems to be well in use: http://osmdoc.com/en/tag/leisure/dog_park and there are no violent objections on the

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: An area of grass is - to me - not a path. A path, IMHO, is something that exists independently of people walking or not walking on it

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: Disability Description

2009-11-30 Thread S.Higashi
Thanks Lulu-Ann for your articles. My daughter is a wheelchair rider, a good rider ;-) and I'm translating some of your articles into Japanese. Hoping I could help your work someday. Thanks Shu Higashi (Higa4) Hi, please have a look at my new proposal DisabilityDescription:

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 3:08 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: What if I map the entire section of grass which is within the right of way as a polygon with highway=path, area=yes? That's how we represent infinite overlapping criss-crossing invisible-paths, like a pedestrian mall. I'm kind

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 3:08 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: What if I map the entire section of grass which is within the right of way as a polygon with highway=path, area=yes?  That's how we represent infinite

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag properties

2009-11-30 Thread Ed Avis
Steve Bennett stevagewp at gmail.com writes: I don't quite understand what you mean; if there is 'something' then why not just map that something? Heh, because I don't know what it is! It's often hard to tell the difference between a large rural property, a farm, or even some kind of light

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - photo studio

2009-11-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/11/30 assetburned openstreet...@assetburned.de Hi, I don't know if this is exactly the right way to do it, but I read the Proposal creation guidelines and I hope it is. I needed some pictures for a new passport, so I thought why not tagging that store? There are several similar

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Lester Caine
Anthony wrote: On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: An area of grass is - to me - not a path. A path, IMHO, is something that exists independently of people walking or not

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag properties

2009-11-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/11/30 Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com A house would be building=yes or perhaps building=house. But for a block or a larger area, yes, tagging the landuse is fine. I'd suggest to tag detached house differently from terraced houses and other typologies, e.g. building=detached (currently 1425

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 2

2009-11-30 Thread Michal Migurski
On Nov 30, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Hi all, I’d like to tell you about Potlatch 2, the all-new version of the OpenStreetMap online editor. Potlatch 2 is a complete rewrite still with the same principle in mind: an editor which hits the right balance between speed,

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-11-30 Thread John F. Eldredge
I would class that as a causeway, rather than an embankment. I think wet area in the Wikipedia definition would refer to boggy ground, or an intermittently-flooded low-lying area, rather than to lake-bottom or sea-bottom that is underwater all of the time. -- John F. Eldredge --

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag properties

2009-11-30 Thread Cartinus
On Monday 30 November 2009 15:24:02 Steve Bennett wrote: Incidentally, what's the best way to map nothing. Big, empty blocks on the fringes of the city. Again, I want to distinguish between unmapped and unoccupied. Some of them may be farms/agistment, some may be greenfield, some might be

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:03 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.comwrote: I would class that as a causeway, rather than an embankment. I think wet area in the Wikipedia definition would refer to boggy ground, or an intermittently-flooded low-lying area, rather than to lake-bottom or

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag properties

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:12 AM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: Map what you can verify: * Often these are expanses of grass with the occasional bush - landuse=grass Not to be a pain, but that doesn't exist (or isn't documented). landuse=meadow I guess. That would actually satisfy a lot

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-11-30 Thread John F. Eldredge
If you look at the photos on the web page, the feature in question is definitely man made, not natural. It is a raised walkway between two islands, made by piling up rocks. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-11-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:33 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.comwrote: If you look at the photos on the web page, the feature in question is definitely man made, not natural. It is a raised walkway between two islands, made by piling up rocks. Yep. Same with my example. I'm just going

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-11-30 Thread Cartinus
On Monday 30 November 2009 18:33:42 John F. Eldredge wrote: If you look at the photos on the web page, the feature in question is definitely man made, not natural. Despite its tag name, natural=coastline is used for all coastlines, whether they are natural or man made. -- m.v.g., Cartinus

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - photo studio

2009-11-30 Thread assetburned
Hi That it is the same problem as with shoe_repair and locksmith. I've never seen a shop that act only as one of it. But I have seen different shops that also act as locksmith and something else, but not as a shoe_repair shop. By the way locksmith is another tag I really would like to see.

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag properties

2009-11-30 Thread Cartinus
On Monday 30 November 2009 18:23:33 Steve Bennett wrote: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:12 AM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: Map what you can verify: * Often these are expanses of grass with the occasional bush - landuse=grass Not to be a pain, but that doesn't exist (or isn't documented).

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 2

2009-11-30 Thread Dane Springmeyer
On Nov 30, 2009, at 2:55 AM, Richard Mann wrote: Dare I ask whether Halcyon can do offset lines (so we can start to do one-way, bike lanes bus lanes with different casings)? Richard We're close on this with Mapnik, feedback welcome: http://trac.mapnik.org/ticket/180 Dane

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag properties

2009-11-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/11/30 Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl I would actually prefer natural=meadow for the last, but since the preset in JOSM doesn't show what key is used for meadow, both natural and agricultural meadows are tagged with the same tag by a lot of people. Of course it is shown in JOSM: just

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-11-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/11/30 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com I would class that as a causeway, rather than an embankment. I think wet area in the Wikipedia definition would refer to boggy ground, or an intermittently-flooded low-lying area, rather than to lake-bottom or sea-bottom that is underwater all

[OSM-talk] Planning a trekking holiday online

2009-11-30 Thread Peter Dörrie
Hi everybody, I would like to plan my next trekking holiday with online tools. What I have in mind is the following: A map (preferably osm) to mark tours and routes and some form of note taking tool to pull together information on accommodation, supplies, flights and so forth. Does anybody know

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 2

2009-11-30 Thread Philip Stubbs
2009/11/30 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net: Hi all, I’d like to tell you about Potlatch 2, the all-new version of the OpenStreetMap online editor. Potlatch 1 is fantastic. You have set yourself up a tough target to better it. I am looking forward to the initial release to find out :-)

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-11-30 Thread Chris Hill
by your name I guess you're an English native speaker, so I guess you're right, still the definition in WIkipedia states: In modern usage, a *causeway* is a road or railway elevated on a sandbank http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbank, usually across a broad body of water

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: What if I map the entire section of grass which is within the right of way as a polygon with highway=path, area=yes?  That's how we represent infinite overlapping criss-crossing invisible-paths, like a pedestrian mall. Not bad.

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Um...what??? That will not write itself. Do you expect us to successfully digitize and maintain a database of all laws of all countries? What do you think? Work with me, here. I think that would be a nightmare, and

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-11-30 Thread Cartinus
On Monday 30 November 2009 22:09:10 Martin Fossdal Guttesen wrote: I would agree that it is more like a Causeway jugding from the wikipedia article and images, but i cant find any tag for that, and i dont think it would render on the map There are only twelve occurrences of man_made=causeway

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Cartinus
On Monday 30 November 2009 22:25:36 Roy Wallace wrote: 1) I can convince you guys that this approach is the best way to get global consistency, and that that's important; 2) people realise that editors can be used to avoid additional keystrokes and so there is actually no cost in adding

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Tobias Knerr
Roy Wallace wrote: Routing software that is aware of the local laws of each country seems obvious. Um...what??? That will not write itself. Do you expect us to successfully digitize and maintain a database of all laws of all countries? In a wiki, even? That's ambitious! I'd prefer to

[OSM-talk] Mapzen Public Beta is Live

2009-11-30 Thread Nick Black
Hi Guys, After a few weeks testing and trials, Mapzen public beta was released this evening. You can start using it straight away: http://mapzen.cloudmade.com You can find more info here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapzen Happy mapping, --- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Monday 30 November 2009 22:25:36 Roy Wallace wrote: 1) I can convince you guys that this approach is the best way to get global consistency, and that that's important; 2) people realise that editors can be used to avoid

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Liz
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Monday 30 November 2009 22:25:36 Roy Wallace wrote: 1) I can convince you guys that this approach is the best way to get global consistency, and that that's important; 2) people

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-11-30 Thread Liz
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Martin Fossdal Guttesen wrote: how do i tag/draw a connection between 2 islands, it is not a bridge as i understand a bridge take a look at the pictures on this page if you dont know what i mean http://landsverk.fo/default.asp?sida=718bolkaid=6projectid=299 /LiFo In

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Roy Wallace wrote: Routing software that is aware of the local laws of each country seems obvious. Um...what??? That will not write itself. Do you expect us to successfully digitize and maintain a database of all laws

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Monday 30 November 2009 22:25:36 Roy Wallace wrote: 1) I can convince you guys that this approach is the best way to get

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Monday 30 November 2009 22:25:36 Roy Wallace wrote: 1) I can convince you guys

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 2

2009-11-30 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Thanks everyone for the kind comments! Really appreciated (and I should reiterate that loads of the clever stuff is Dave's work rather than mine). Marjan Vrban wrote: Great news for Potlatch users, i would suggest that you implement icons for POI-s (At least for most used). So that we could

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-11-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/11/30 Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl On Monday 30 November 2009 22:09:10 Martin Fossdal Guttesen wrote: I would agree that it is more like a Causeway jugding from the wikipedia article and images, but i cant find any tag for that, and i dont think it would render on the map so what?

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-30 Thread Tobias Knerr
Roy Wallace wrote: The point I was making was that it should *not* be necessary to *require* a database of all laws of all countries to know what highway=cycleway means. There should be one definition that is consistent for the whole world. For example, this path is marked with a sign with a

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