Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.eu

2009/12/17 Kenneth Gonsalves : > On Thursday 17 Dec 2009 1:03:16 pm Andreas Labres wrote: >> Patrick from talk-at found this by chance: >> >> http://openmaps.eu/ >> >> They seem to be reinventing the wheel, somehow... >> > license looks proprietary >From their copyright page: As our name suggests

[OSM-talk] Contribution graph

I've added another OSM graph to the stats page. It shows the % contribution of ways (current table, no account for history) per editor. It reveals that 95% of the way data is contributed by just 10% of the contributor base. In fact 50% of way data has been contributed by just 31 user accounts altho

[OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

The quality of OpenStreetMap's work speaks for itself, but it seems that we need to speak about it too - especially now that Google is attempting to to appear as holding the moral high ground by using terms such as "citizen cartographer" that they rob of its meaning by conveniently forgetting t

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2009/12/17 Jean-Marc Liotier > The quality of OpenStreetMap's work speaks for itself, but it seems that > we need to speak about it too - especially now that Google is attempting > to to appear as holding the moral high ground by using terms such as > "citizen cartographer" that they rob of its m

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2009/12/17 Emilie Laffray : > > > 2009/12/17 Jean-Marc Liotier >> >> The quality of OpenStreetMap's work speaks for itself, but it seems that >> we need to speak about it too - especially now that Google is attempting >> to to appear as holding the moral high ground by using terms such as >> "citi

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2009/12/17 John Smith : > What a pity the whole basis for Copenhagen is a complete and utter > sham, it's true global warming is man made, the moment some men > started fudging the figures and lying about anything that disagreed > with political agendas. > > Sure the world is warming, but probably

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:24 PM, John Smith wrote: > What a pity the whole basis for Copenhagen is a complete and utter > sham, it's true global warming is man made, the moment some men > started fudging the figures and lying about anything that disagreed > with political agendas. > > Hi, can you

Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.eu

Hmm, no one thought of registering "Open Maps" as a trademark as well as "OpenStreetMap"? On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Andreas Labres wrote: > Patrick from talk-at found this by chance: > > http://openmaps.eu/ > > They seem to be reinventing the wheel, somehow... > > /al > >

Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.eu

2009/12/17 Steve Bennett : > Hmm, no one thought of registering "Open Maps" as a trademark as well as > "OpenStreetMap"? Weren't you the one agreeing with me that the words "open" and "free" have been abused too much and are too ambigious the other day? ___

Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.eu

Hi, Steve Bennett wrote: > Hmm, no one thought of registering "Open Maps" as a trademark as well as > "OpenStreetMap"? What makes you think that if OpenStreetMap is a term deemed to general to work as a trademark, Open Maps would somehow work? Bye Frederik

Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.eu

As much as it is disappointing to see others work on a similar/the same project, I don't think it makes sense for a group of people that have "open" in their title to block others from doing something through trademark law. On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > Hmm, no one thou

Re: [OSM-talk] Contribution graph

Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: > I've added another OSM graph to the stats page. It shows the % contribution > of ways (current table, no account for history) per editor. It reveals that > 95% of the way data is contributed by just 10% of the contributor base. In > fact 50% of way data has

[OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

Hi all, As we all know, you don't "tag for the renderer". However, you want your map data to render nicely now, and you want correct map data in the long term. Suggestion: introduce a "fallback" tag. For example, around my city there are little "reserves" - patches of grass reserved by the gove

Re: [OSM-talk] Contribution graph

2009/12/17 Jean-Marc Liotier : > Interesting. Is there a way to compute that for manual contributions and > automated ones separately, or are they both using the same sort of > accounts with no way to distinguish between them ? They both use the same types of accounts, but the few biggest imports

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009/12/17 Steve Bennett : > What do people think? (No comments on how to tag land reserves, it's just an > example...) Nice idea, but you are painting yourself into a corner as you limit the fall back to a single option. It'd be better if you could go from most specific to least, for example, a

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: > Hi all, > As we all know, you don't "tag for the renderer". However, you want your > map data to render nicely now, and you want correct map data in the long > term. > > Suggestion: introduce a "fallback" tag. > > For example, around my ci

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009/12/17 Shalabh : > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: >> >> Hi all, >>   As we all know, you don't "tag for the renderer". However, you want your >> map data to render nicely now, and you want correct map data in the long >> term. >> >> Suggestion: introduce a "fallback" tag

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

> What do people think? (No comments on how to tag land reserves, it's > just an example...) Tagging for and only or the renderer is a bad idea. Better sind in a patch to the mapnik xml, to that (in your example) landuse=reserve is rendered accordingly, or tag as landuse=park, reserve=yes. Pet

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

Hi, Steve Bennett wrote: > Solution: tag it like this: > landuse=reserve > fallback:leisure=park This makes only sense if there are certain landuse=reserve areas that you want to fall back to leisure=park and other landuse=reserve areas that are more like a natural=grass. And this would then me

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Shalabh wrote: > 1. And what if even the 'fallback tag' is not rendered by the renderer? > That's the current situation. So, the worst case scenario, with this tag, is...what we have now. Every other case is an improvement. > 2. Some things may have just no fa

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > > Steve Bennett wrote: > >> Solution: tag it like this: >> landuse=reserve >> fallback:leisure=park >> > > This makes only sense if there are certain landuse=reserve areas that you > want to fall back to leisure=park and other landu

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Shalabh wrote: > >> 1. And what if even the 'fallback tag' is not rendered by the renderer? >> > > That's the current situation. So, the worst case scenario, with this tag, > is...what we have now. Every ot

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

>to know that at least *something* will render. This seems like a confusing proposal to ensure that a tiny fraction of a percentage of the whitespace on OSM.org gets *something* rendered in it. -1 from me. 2009/12/17 Steve Bennett : > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Shalabh wrote: >> >> 1.

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Peter Körner wrote: > Tagging for and only or the renderer is a bad idea. Better sind in a > patch to the mapnik xml, With respect, "fix the renderer" is not a solution to "how do I tag in such a way that current and future renderers will produce an acceptable r

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Shalabh wrote: > Anyway, for this approach to even start making sense, there has to be TAG > FAMILY TREE covering each known tag such that each has fallback options > going up to a certain level. And then each renderer should follow the TAG > TREE. Not sure how f

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009/12/17 Steve Bennett : > Nah. Only the smart mappers would even think of using it. And people that C&P... > Nah. It doesn't matter enough. I would see it mostly as a personal thing for > the mapper, to know that at least *something* will render. Don't tag it until your feature request to upd

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Joseph Reeves wrote: > This seems like a confusing proposal to ensure that a tiny fraction of > a percentage of the whitespace on OSM.org gets *something* rendered in > it. > > No, it's a proposal to encourage people to tag for the future and to smooth transitions

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:15 AM, John Smith wrote: > Don't tag it until your feature request to update mapnik's style sheet > is put into production... > That's completely at odds with standard OSM advice: tag however you want. > So file a feature request against mapnik's style sheet... > I n

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

On Thursday 17 December 2009, John Smith wrote: > What a pity the whole basis for Copenhagen is a complete and utter > sham, it's true global warming is man made, the moment some men > started fudging the figures and lying about anything that disagreed > with political agendas. > > Sure the world

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

Hi, Steve Bennett wrote: > My strategy: > 1) I want to tag Y instead of X. > 2) I tag Y, fallback:X > 3) I get on with my life. Renderers will catch up whenever. My strategy: 1) I want to tag Y 2) I tag Y 3) I get on with my life. Renderers will catch up whenever. Bye Frederik __

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

Hi, Robert Scott wrote: > Oh look another non-scientist giving his authoritative opinions about climate > science. > THIS is what I want to hear on osm-talk. I'd love to hear about the nationality of the US president, the veracity of the moon landing, and chemtrails as well. Oh, and someone in

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Steve Bennett wrote: > > My strategy: > >> 1) I want to tag Y instead of X. >> 2) I tag Y, fallback:X >> 3) I get on with my life. Renderers will catch up whenever. >> > > My strategy: > > 1) I want to tag Y > 2) I tag Y > 3) I get on with my life. Renderers

Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.eu

>> Hmm, no one thought of registering "Open Maps" as a trademark as well as >> "OpenStreetMap"? >What makes you think that if OpenStreetMap is a term deemed to general >to work as a trademark, Open Maps would somehow work? In any case, we are supposed to be open. Trying to trademark names mere

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Steve Bennett wrote: > > My strategy: > > 1) I want to tag Y instead of X. > > 2) I tag Y, fallback:X > > 3) I get on with my life. Renderers will catch up whenever. > > My strategy: > > 1) I want to tag Y > 2) I tag Y > 3) I get on

[OSM-talk] set-mapnik-env stage of rendering tiles

I do it first time and am not familiar with non-windows environments. I'm trying to generate osm tiles on win. I have osm in postgis already, projection inicialised, mapnik onboard, mapnik configuration files modified. I can't make it to execute: set-mapnik-env customize-mapnik-map >osm.xml I try

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2009/12/17 Frederik Ramm : > Hi, > > Robert Scott wrote: >> Oh look another non-scientist giving his authoritative opinions about >> climate science. >> THIS is what I want to hear on osm-talk. > > I'd love to hear about the nationality of the US president, the veracity > of the moon landing, and

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009/12/17 Steve Bennett : > That's completely at odds with standard OSM advice: tag however you want. You only want to tag stuff that renders, so update the render style sheet then tag it, if you don't care about it rendering first just tag it but your comments are specifically about wanting them

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

> Tagging for and only or the renderer is a bad idea. Better sind in a > patch to the mapnik xml, > > With respect, "fix the renderer" is not a solution to "how do I tag in > such a way that current and future renderers will produce an acceptable > result?" Why not? > to that (in y

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2009/12/17 Robert Scott : > On Thursday 17 December 2009, John Smith wrote: >> What a pity the whole basis for Copenhagen is a complete and utter >> sham, it's true global warming is man made, the moment some men >> started fudging the figures and lying about anything that disagreed >> with politic

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

4) And maybe I do some rendering myself... Richard On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Steve Bennett wrote: > > My strategy: > > 1) I want to tag Y instead of X. > > 2) I tag Y, fallback:X > > 3) I get on with my life. Renderers will catch up whenever. > > My strate

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009/12/17 Richard Mann : > 4) And maybe I do some rendering myself... I actually offered him help/resources the other week on the talk-au list with regards to style sheets, perhaps I was a little too subtle :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.o

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > The quality of OpenStreetMap's work speaks for itself, but it seems that > we need to speak about it too - especially now that Google is attempting > to to appear as holding the moral high ground by using terms such as > "citizen cartogr

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMdoc: Questions for a new version [namespaced keys, multivalued values]

On 06/12/09 21:34, Lars Francke wrote: > 1) What should I do with "namespaced tags". I mean all tags with > colons in them to separate parts of the key. Examples are the tiger > tags (tiger:tlid, ...), the Karlsruhe schema for addresses (addr:), > name tags (name:de) or the seamark tags used by Ope

Re: [OSM-talk] Keep up with the SOTM 2010 progress

My suggestion is for some coordinated session between SOTM/Wikimania .. perhaps a live stream of a presentation on the OSM maps in Wikipedia from Wikimania to SOTM? == Mikel Maron == http://mapkibera.org/ +254 (0) 724899738 mi...@osmfoundation.org From: Henk

Re: [OSM-talk] Keep up with the SOTM 2010 progress

El Jueves, 17 de Diciembre de 2009, Mikel Maron escribió: > My suggestion is for some coordinated session between SOTM/Wikimania .. > perhaps a live stream of a presentation on the OSM maps in Wikipedia from > Wikimania to SOTM? Let me check if the SotM venue has the appropiate facilities for this

Re: [OSM-talk] New Google Map Maker promotion

We could hire a Mapping Matatu :). A matatu is the main form of public transport in Kenya, described as "a cross between a sports car, a minibus, and a night club" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share_taxi#Matatu_.28Kenya.2FUganda.29 == Mikel Maron == http://mapkibera.org/ +254 (0) 724899738 mi.

Re: [OSM-talk] Keep up with the SOTM 2010 progress

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 14:13, Mikel Maron wrote: > My suggestion is for some coordinated session between SOTM/Wikimania .. > perhaps a live stream of a presentation on the OSM maps in Wikipedia from > Wikimania to SOTM? I don't know about 2010 but as far as I know Wikimania has never been held i

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:47 AM, John Smith wrote: > > You only want to tag stuff that renders, so update the render style > sheet then tag it, if you don't care about it rendering first just tag > it but your comments are specifically about wanting them to render > first. > > >I actually offered

Re: [OSM-talk] Keep up with the SOTM 2010 progress

From: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 14:13, Mikel Maron wrote: > > My suggestion is for some coordinated session between SOTM/Wikimania .. > > perhaps a live stream of a presentation on the OSM maps in Wikipedia from > > Wikimania to SOTM? > > I don't know about 2010 but as

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

Frederik Ramm wrote: > Oh, and someone in Ireland > has just released a motor that produces more energy than it consumes. Apart from the massive D cell powering it, you mean? http://blogs.zdnet.co.uk/news-blog/#10014630 -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: > > There may be arguments against my proposed solution. There may be better > solutions. It may not be a big problem. But, please, these one-off > workarounds and hacks are not solutions. > > Steve > Actually Steve, I think your solution is

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009/12/18 Shalabh : > So, lets map and wait for the renderers to catch up. Or if he were really serious about this he'd come up with a suitable break down list of most specific to least specific way existing tags already in use could render and then provide suitable patches for renderers to hook

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, John Smith wrote: > Or if he were really serious about this he'd come up with a suitable > Was this mailing list always like this? I don't get it. I make a sincere suggestion for a tag that I think would be useful, and just look at the response. Where does it all

Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.eu

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Nick Whitelegg < nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk> wrote: > In any case, we are supposed to be open. Trying to trademark names merely > similar to our own is one of the most closed, monopolistic actions that > it's possible to take. The idea of OSM is to collect and ma

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, John Smith wrote: > >> Or if he were really serious about this he'd come up with a suitable >> > > Was this mailing list always like this? I don't get it. I make a sincere > suggestion for a tag that I think

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > >> If you have a certain fallback hierarchy that says "dear renderers of the >> world, if you encounter something tagged landuse=reserve and you don't know >> what to do, then treat it

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009/12/17 Steve Bennett > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, John Smith wrote: > >> Or if he were really serious about this he'd come up with a suitable >> > > Was this mailing list always like this? I don't get it. I make a sincere > suggestion for a tag that I think would be useful, and just loo

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

Steve Bennett wrote: > Hi all, > As we all know, you don't "tag for the renderer". However, you want > your map data to render nicely now, and you want correct map data in > the long term. > > Suggestion: introduce a "fallback" tag. > > For example, around my city there are little "reserves" -

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Steve Bennett wrote: > > My strategy: > >> 1) I want to tag Y instead of X. >> 2) I tag Y, fallback:X >> 3) I get on with my life. Renderers will catch up whenever. >> > > My strategy: > > 1) I want to tag Y > 2) I tag Y > 3) I get on with my life. Renderers

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

Steve Bennett wrote: > I'm not looking for someone to tell me how to edit a stylesheet and > hack mapnik to produce a particular result on my machine. But, Steve, that's precisely what you should be doing. > > And these are not solutions: > 4) File a feature request > 5) Fix the renderer myself

Re: [OSM-talk] Contribution graph

Intriguing, Andy. Thanks for adding this. Would be nice to be able to filter out the import-users when producing these stats, however. Is that feasible? Martijn On Dec 17, 2009, at 10:18 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: > I've added another OSM graph to the stats page. It shows the %

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

Steve Bennett wrote: > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, John Smith > wrote: > > Or if he were really serious about this he'd come up with a suitable > > > Was this mailing list always like this? I don't get it. I make a > sincere suggestion for a tag that I t

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

First, thanks for the thoughtful replies, everyone. I'll reply to all in one email. >It is just that I dont see your solution as a scalable one What's not scalable about it - presumably that you have to tag a fall back every time you use the tag? What's an alternative that's more scalable, for so

Re: [OSM-talk] Contribution graph

Martijn van Exel [mailto:mve...@gmail.com] wrote: >Sent: 17 December 2009 4:04 PM >To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) >Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Contribution graph > >Intriguing, Andy. Thanks for adding this. >Would be nice to be able to filter out the import-users when

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

Steve Bennett wrote: > For example, around my city there are little "reserves" - patches of > grass reserved by the government for future development such as > freeways or train lines. They often get tagged "leisure=park", but > say I want to start tagging them "landuse=reserve" instead. Sudden

Re: [OSM-talk] Keep up with the SOTM 2010 progress

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 14:13, Mikel Maron wrote: > > My suggestion is for some coordinated session between SOTM/Wikimania .. > > perhaps a live stream of a presentation on the OSM maps in Wikipedia from > > Wikimania to SOTM? > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Anthony wrote: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > >> The quality of OpenStreetMap's work speaks for itself, but it seems that >> we need to speak about it too - especially now that Google is attempting >> to to appear as holding the mor

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009/12/17 Steve Bennett > >In the end, OSM is a database, and how you are rendering a map is > something accessory, as "everyone" can set up the rendering the way they > want. It is the greatest strength of OSM that you can choose what kind of > rendering you can do. I think the map should deemp

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009/12/18 Steve Bennett : As others have stated this should have gone to the tagging mailing list. > What's not scalable about it - presumably that you have to tag a fall back Your suggestion as is only copes with 1 alternative, rather than gracefully falling back to less specific alternatives.

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009/12/18 Emilie Laffray : > But for the time being, if you want a custom rendering you will be using > your own pc or server. If you are interested in a relatively simple If he wants to play about I have an instance of mapnik he can play with setup already. He could also play with cloudmade's s

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

Steve Bennett wrote: > IMVHO, that approach is harmful in general (have you *seen* how many > different tags are out there?), and ironic in this instance. Yes, & unless I'm missing something your proposal just adds the long list. > > >If it's use *now *is a park, tag it as a park. > >When & if (an

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

> >Then just start using your fallback tag. There's no need to tell the list > about it. > > IMVHO, that approach is harmful in general (have you *seen* how many > different tags are out there?), and ironic in this instance. > Honestly, I don't see the harm in having lots of tags that everyone el

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Wiki Search does not work

On 12/16/2009 11:22 PM, Tirkon wrote: >> MediaWiki search is pretty weak in general. > No problem at Wikipedia The problem might be that OpenStreetMap wiki is running an old version (1.13 vs 1.16 at wikipedia) of wikimedia. IIRC, search has been improved a lot. Who could update mediawiki? Tha

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009/12/18 Anthony : > Honestly, I don't see the harm in having lots of tags that everyone else can > happily ignore.  At least, not when they're added by hand.  The only real > harm is a small fraction of space in the database.  When it comes to massive > imports (tiger:*=*) or editor generated ta

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:41 AM, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Anthony wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: >> >>> The quality of OpenStreetMap's work speaks for itself, but it seems that >>> we need to speak about it too - espe

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

Instead of trying to counter the googlespeak wouldn't it be better to think about why they feel the need to do this kind of thing in the first place rather than sponsoring an OSM based venture. Similarly, why are companies like waze trying to start from scratch rather than using our data for realt

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2009/12/18 Kevin Peat : > If it is because of the license then we should take the opportunity to make > sure our new license is friendly to these kind of applications and uses as > what is the point of creating a free map if only a minority of people are > ever going to see it. They want to be abl

[OSM-talk] diff between planet daily and history files

Hello, I discovered that the files in http://planet.openstreetmap.org/daily/ and http://planet.openstreetmap.org/history/ are slightly different, for the same day. For example: a) http://planet.openstreetmap.org/daily/ 663M (after uncompress) 20091215-20091216.osc b) http://planet.openstreetmap

Re: [OSM-talk] diff between planet daily and history files

Hi, Jaak Laineste wrote: > I discovered that the files in http://planet.openstreetmap.org/daily/ > and http://planet.openstreetmap.org/history/ are slightly different, If there are two changes to the same object in the scope of one day, then the "normal" diff will only contain the newset versio

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, Dave F. wrote: > Replies are in the negative because they think your idea is poor for the > reasons stated. It's as simple as that. unfortunately the contents of this list are dominated by people who are negative writing negative comments I note overall a lack of creative

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

Steve Bennett wrote: > Solution: tag it like this: > landuse=reserve > fallback:leisure=park Lets assume that your fallback tag isn't just a less specific type of object than the real tag (in that case, a tag hierarchy - as it is used with amenity=parking + parking=*, for example - would solve the

[OSM-talk] revert changesets??

Found by slashme today in the Nevada saltpans, but apparently been there over one year http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/slashme/diary/8968 all of these changesets 367363 266357 272488 293410 302378 621338 187907 324014 365985 ___ talk mailing list t

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

It's the Burning Man Festival and it was recently a Featured Image on the wiki. (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Featured_Images/Jul-Sep_2009#Week_36) Kevin On 12/17/2009 2:30 PM, Liz wrote: > Found by slashme today in the Nevada saltpans, but apparently been there over > one year > http://w

Re: [OSM-talk] set-mapnik-env stage of rendering tiles

> set-mapnik-env customize-mapnik-map >osm.xml > > I try it in cygwin bash on win and get: > bash: set-mapnik-env: command not found You'll have to call ./set-mapnik-env ... But you don't need this anymore. just copy the inc/*.template to remove the .template suffix and customize the settings th

Re: [OSM-talk] set-mapnik-env stage of rendering tiles

Peter Körner wrote: > But you don't need this anymore. just copy the inc/*.template to remove > the .template suffix and customize the settings there. Then just point > mapnik to the osm.xml, it will load the files from inc/. Or, run the generate-xml.py script. PS: It's getting slightly annoyi

[OSM-talk] Wiki Database

Hi! how can I get the OSM Wiki Database dump? And is there maybe some readme to set it up in case any special extentions are needed? Alexander -- http://address-protector.com/RXRQbgTtrGWITEgLdf-4UqZsVw2UhXhYixF1VykbX4oPQEOFcHPgPVitw9SWT4tk ___ ta

Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.eu

Andreas Labres wrote: > Patrick from talk-at found this by chance: > > http://openmaps.eu/ > > They seem to be reinventing the wheel, somehow... I sent their proeminent members (papa71, kepenu, KiVi, peter68, Trackman and BigMick) a gentle enquiry through their forum's internal mail system; that

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging Greenways (was: Re: Good routing vs legal routing (was: Path vsfootwayvs cycleway vs...))

Sam Vekemans wrote: > Where the only way i know to map it is to use a relation and call it > "route=greenway" and dont have it render on the cyclemap. Just map the > sections as appropriate. Greenway is the US/Canadianism for "cycleway." ___ talk m

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 6:16 AM, Tobias Knerr wrote: > that, and that would be appropriate for reserves, too. But some other > renderer might write "park" all over the area or do something else that > makes the rendering completely inappropriate for the feature. What if I > use "beach" as the fal

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

should be deleted then. Burning man follows a no trace policy. as alternative it must be at least tagged different to disappear from maps. On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Kevin Samples wrote: > It's the Burning Man Festival and it was recently a Featured Image on > the wiki. > (http://wiki.op

Re: [OSM-talk] Projection for processed_p.shp?

Frederik Ramm schrieb am 09.11.2009 02:23: > The projection is spherical mercator (900913), you can download a .PRJ > file from the menu on > > http://spatialreference.org/ref/sr-org/6627/ I've tried it in ArcMap - doesn't fit with a regular Mercator .prj file. I don't know, what projection thi

Re: [OSM-talk] Projection for processed_p.shp?

Hi, Alexrk wrote: >> The projection is spherical mercator (900913), you can download a .PRJ >> file from the menu on >> >> http://spatialreference.org/ref/sr-org/6627/ > > I've tried it in ArcMap - doesn't fit with a regular Mercator .prj file. Yes; "regular Mercator" is something other than "s

Re: [OSM-talk] Projection for processed_p.shp?

Hi, Frederik Ramm wrote: > processed_p.shp is spherical mercator (properly EPSG:3857, formerly > EPSG:900913, and erroneously EPSG:3857). The last bit should've been 3785. It was bound to happen. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___

Re: [OSM-talk] [Mapnik-users] Projection for processed_p.shp?

EPSG, too, seems to have problems with tagging. My understanding is that that officially it is nowadays EPSG:3785, see http://spatialreference.org/ref/epsg/3785/ However, that code is not widely supported yet. I believe EPSG:900913 is still the most common in use. Best to keep the spatialrefe

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > > I'll keep investigating the idea of a centralised rules table > though. Cool - if so, it might be interesting to see how this could relate to the wiki also, not just renderers. Good luck :) ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Contribution graph

There was a similar study that has been done in Wikipedia - and it got similar results. Then somebody else did some closer studies, and found that the last edit may have been done by one of the 10%, but they were often cosmetic cleanups. The bulk of creation was done by other users. I wonder how m

Re: [OSM-talk] revert changesets??

Hi Apollinaris Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > should be deleted then. Why? > Burning man follows a no trace policy. Who says this & why? > as alternative it must be at least tagged different to disappear from > maps. Why? As I was considering doing a similar thing for Glastonbury, I was wonderi

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] tagging Greenways (was: Re: Good routing vs legal routing (was: Path vsfootwayvs cycleway vs...))

Thanks Paul, I did answer, but am saving it in my drafts folder & sent it to others for peer review 1st. Cheers, Sam Vekemans Across Canada Trails On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > Sam Vekemans wrote: > > > Where the only way i know to map it is to use a relation and call

[OSM-talk] Archos 5

Hello, I see that the newest Archos has a built-in GPS. Does anyone know if it is possible to record traces with it? Is it possible to use other maps besides the Tele-Atlas one that they sell? Thanks in adavance, N. ___ talk mailing list talk@ope

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion: fallback tag

2009/12/18 Roy Wallace : > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: >> >> I'll keep investigating the idea of a centralised rules table >> though. > > Cool - if so, it might be interesting to see how this could relate to > the wiki also, not just renderers. Good luck :) +1, I thought

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