On 12 March 2010 17:50, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Hi,
>
> jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
>> If all the code and all the tools we used were to be licensed costly
>> software, who would pay for OSM?
>
> We'd all use Google Map Maker then. Under Safari ;-)
What about Mapzen under IE? *ducks*
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Hi,
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
> If all the code and all the tools we used were to be licensed costly
> software, who would pay for OSM?
We'd all use Google Map Maker then. Under Safari ;-)
Bye
Frederik
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On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
>
> Niklas Cholmkvist wrote:
> > How can potlatch be respectable if it is based on non-free
> > software? (non-free flash, and you can't touch their source
> > code!)
>
> Personally? I don't give a shit about free software. Or respectabili
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 5:11 AM, Al Haraka wrote:
> > It's completely not the "osm way" *as I interpret it* and isn't going to
> fly *as long as I am around*.
>
>
I think that is going to far, my point here is not to be negative, but to
contribute something.
I can imagine that people dont want t
So mtb:scale=5 would be a vertical cliff?
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From: "Mike N."
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:51:00
To:
Subject: R
Tom,
> Sounding impressive is not a valid reason to consider something a good
> idea... Basically he's suggesting replacing our current freeform tagging
> with some complicated system of rules and ontologies.
But being rude and oversimplifying is valid? As already mentioned, it
does not have to
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
>
> .. I'm still unclear how one is supposed to
> distinguish between a smooth, wide urban footpath and a hiking trail.
For "smooth"ness, use surface=*
For width, use width=*
> (And similarly, how to distinguish between a bike path and a mou
> (And similarly, how to distinguish between a bike path and a mountain
> bike track).
I added mtb:scale to mountain bike tracks. But around here, even the
steepest, roughest terrain is only 1 or 2 out of a scale of 5. I think
mtb:scale=3 is something like leaping off 1 meter boulders (On
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Mike N. wrote:
> (PS I used the S.O.S (Spawn of Satan) tag 'path' , so I'm not sure how
> many of my trails will work with other stylesheets)
Depends how else you tag them. Afaik, "highway=path foot=designated"
is supposed to be (or is, in mapnik at least) equ
Walking isn't just about long-distance stuff.
Being able to say: x is my starting point and I have [10|30|60mins|...] and
I am [slow as a snail|average|running from mad mappers], please take me on a
circular route that avoids busy roads, goes through nice parks, maybe goes
to places people marked a
> I'm very much in favour of improving both the quality of hiking data,
> and its representation (particularly outside Europe). But do make an
> effort to consolidate the existing material rather than just adding
> another layer of paint over the top.
Exactly - I'm just at the point where I need
I think the semantic mediawiki extension would be a great start,
another would be integration of the tagwatch into the wiki,
definition of data collection from the data set into the wiki (deduction)
and
validation and generation of new tags (induction)
mikw
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Karl
I know it sounds shocking but you can make you ontology as simple as you
want,
and you can have as many as you want.
There does not need to be only one set of rules,
I can defined them for my own little bit of the map and others can use them.
the point is that you can define your terms formally an
On 11/03/10 22:50, Graham Jones wrote:
> I have not the faintest idea what that means, but it sounds impressive!
> Please add it to the list, but it would be nice to define some of the
> terms and abbreviations to help the ignorant like me!
Sounding impressive is not a valid reason to consider so
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Nick Whitelegg
wrote:
> So I'd like to collect together a number of initial idea. I've started a
> template wiki page:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_for_walkers
There is already quite a lot of information in the wiki about hiking
maps etc, at the very
Hi,
> 4. conversion of the wiki into OWL, so that the rules and relations
of the OSM are documented formally.
see also
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Machine-readable_Map_Feature_list/OWL_Semantic_Wiki_and_more
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Machine-readable_Map_Feature_list
an at
Will to tomorrow,
chk out swoop
http://www.mindswap.org/2004/SWOOP/
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Graham Jones <
grahamjones...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Mike,
> I have not the faintest idea what that means, but it sounds impressive!
> Please add it to the list, but it would be nice to define
Mike,
I have not the faintest idea what that means, but it sounds impressive!
Please add it to the list, but it would be nice to define some of the terms
and abbreviations to help the ignorant like me!
Thanks
Graham.
On 11 March 2010 22:39, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com <
jamesmikedup...@google
Description :
Integration of the java swoop ontology editor into JOSM. A JOSM ontology
plugin.
Work :
1. create a live mapping from OSM into RDF , so that the swoop can access
the data in OSM without conversion.
2. be able to have the changes in the rdf be reflected back into the OSM.
4. convers
Hi,
I agree that improving documentation would be a really useful contribution
to OSM, but Google are quite explicit that this is outside of the scope of
GSoC (
http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#doc_proposals
).
A project along the lines of 'context sensit
Niklas Cholmkvist wrote:
> How can potlatch be respectable if it is based on non-free
> software? (non-free flash, and you can't touch their source
> code!)
Personally? I don't give a shit about free software. Or respectability.
cheers
Richard
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Hi,
Niklas Cholmkvist wrote:
> How can potlatch be respectable if it is based on non-free software?
> (non-free flash, and you can't touch their source code!) You can run
> JOSM using only libre and/or open source software. Not only JOSM,
> there's much more software that can be run on fully free
2010/3/11 Iván Sánchez Ortega :
> El día Thursday 11 March 2010 11:40:56, Frederik Ramm dijo:
>> I'm not sure; my guess is that the world is silently waiting for
>> Potlatch 2 to be released and will *then* complain about everything that
>> *still* doesn't work.
>
> The world is trying to *preempti
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> ...JOSM in anticipation of imminent Potlatch 2 wondrousness.
How can potlatch be respectable if it is based on non-free software?
(non-free flash, and you can't touch their source code!) You can run
JOSM using only libre and/or open source software. Not only JOSM,
there
:D
Any clues or teasers as to what this might contain?
> - Original Message -
> From: "Richard Fairhurst"
> To: talk@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:23:00 -0800 (PST)
>
>
>
> Frederik Ramm wrote:
> > If you are in the u
Halloechen!
Das ganze hier gehoert noch zu den FOSSGIS-Nachwehen und ist für
Leute, die nicht dabei waren vielleicht nicht so interessant bzw.
verständlich.
Ich habe eben mal kurz die Seite der Strato-Server im Wiki[1]
erweitert um zu sehen welche Projekte welche Resourcen nutzen. Ich bin
mir sic
On 11 March 2010 16:03, Lars Francke wrote:
>
> planet-091007.osm.bz2 09-Oct-2009 03:37 7.4G
> planet-091014.osm.bz2 14-Oct-2009 20:35 7.2G
>
I tweaked the bz2 compression block size around then, which would
account for that size change.
/ Grant
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On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Lars Francke wrote:
> What exactly were you trying to tell us? :)
>
I was just making sure we did not have a bug or unauthorized
deletions. Thanks Grant & Steve for reminding me about dup nodes.
> What do you mean by "got rid of the segments"?
OSM-XML 0.4 was less
No.
> From 8.2 GB to 8.1 GB:
> http://planet.openstreetmap.org/
planet-091007.osm.bz2 09-Oct-2009 03:37 7.4G
planet-091014.osm.bz2 14-Oct-2009 20:35 7.2G
And I'm sure it has happened before.
What exactly were you trying to tell us? :)
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lots of dupe node removal?
On Mar 11, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Nic Roets wrote:
> (since we got rid of the segments)
>
> From 8.2 GB to 8.1 GB:
> http://planet.openstreetmap.org/
>
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On 11 March 2010 15:50, Nic Roets wrote:
> (since we got rid of the segments)
>
> From 8.2 GB to 8.1 GB:
> http://planet.openstreetmap.org/
>
Interesting...
There has been a change to the dumping script since the previous week:
http://trac.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20396
But more likely; we h
(since we got rid of the segments)
>From 8.2 GB to 8.1 GB:
http://planet.openstreetmap.org/
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El día Thursday 11 March 2010 11:40:56, Frederik Ramm dijo:
> I'm not sure; my guess is that the world is silently waiting for
> Potlatch 2 to be released and will *then* complain about everything that
> *still* doesn't work.
The world is trying to *preemptively* ban potlatch 2 :-P
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On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Lars Francke wrote:
> > I suggest that API 0.8 would specify that any values in the database be
> > stored in some appropriate canonical form, with a flag to say if it is
> > naturally imperial or naturally metric. So heights and widths would be
> > stored (say) in
> I suggest that API 0.8 would specify that any values in the database be
> stored in some appropriate canonical form, with a flag to say if it is
> naturally imperial or naturally metric. So heights and widths would be
> stored (say) in integer millimetres or integer inches with a one-bit
> flag t
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
> Is it worse or better than the PL1 codebase ?:)
Do you want a serious answer to that? :)
The codebase is a lot more "proper": there's packages and
private/protected variables and all of that. You could probably write
unit tests for it if you like that sort of
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:38, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> Steve Bennett wrote:
>
>> Sweet. How hard can ActionScript be, really? (I've done plenty of C,
>> Delphi, Java etc in the distant past, usually the difficulty is not
>> the language, it's learning the codebase.)
>
> Exactly. If you know Jav
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 09:30, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Java6 has been around for more than three years now (and other OSM
> software, e.g. Osmosis, already depends on it) so if you are still using
> an older version it might be time to upgrade. (If you are in the
> unfortunate situation of having w
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Steve Bennett wrote:
> How hard can ActionScript be, really?
If I can do it, anyone can.
Cheers,
Andy
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On 01/-10/-28163 08:59 PM, Ian Dees wrote:
> ...
> I think a more useful criticism would include some specific ideas...
Well, if we are throwing around random ideas, I might as well chime in
too...
To state it upfront, I am not involved in any of the parts suggested, so
I can neither fully judg
lets put it in a different perspective :
Make the documentation as part of the program!
I would like to see for example a help system that is integrated to the
wiki,
Click on a tag, have it pull up the wiki entry, be able to add new unknown
tags or rename them.
We could even have an OWL Ontology
Hello everyone,
Thanks for the responses on this. What I would like to do this year is
really try to bring together everyone on the list who is interested in
developing OSM software (both web and mobile) for walkers (hikers) so that
we can make a good go of exchanging ideas and developing softw
> GSoc
> student pool is a very talented one - it would be good to use them for more
> critical things. Of course, OSM unlike other projects is basically a
> collection of tools maintained by various people, so difficult to achieve a
> consensus.
>>
Having one place of knowhow of mapping is quite
On Thursday 11 Mar 2010 4:02:22 pm you wrote:
> > actually Gsoc is meant for developing the application as such (as in
> > writing code), not working on end user documentation and tools.
>
> Not only, I know several projects where user manuals and documentation
> where created during GSoC. There w
Frederik Ramm wrote:
> I'm not sure; my guess is that the world is silently waiting for
> Potlatch 2 to be released and will *then* complain about everything
> that *still* doesn't work.
>
> (My info comes from several mentions on, you guessed it, talk-de.)
Oh, I'd guessed that much. No-one outsi
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Richard Fairhurst wrote:
>>> The world doesn't require Potlatch 2 wondrousness. The world would
>>> already sigh with relief if Potlatch could be made to not break
>>> relation ordering when a way is split ;-)
>>
>> Has the world lod
Steve Bennett wrote:
> Sweet. How hard can ActionScript be, really? (I've done plenty of C,
> Delphi, Java etc in the distant past, usually the difficulty is not
> the language, it's learning the codebase.)
Exactly. If you know Java then you shouldn't find AS3 much of a
stretch at all - think o
Hi,
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
>> The world doesn't require Potlatch 2 wondrousness. The world would
>> already sigh with relief if Potlatch could be made to not break
>> relation ordering when a way is split ;-)
>
> Has the world lodged a trac ticket?
I'm not sure; my guess is that the world is s
Frederik Ramm wrote:
> The world doesn't require Potlatch 2 wondrousness. The world would
> already sigh with relief if Potlatch could be made to not break
> relation ordering when a way is split ;-)
Has the world lodged a trac ticket?
cheers
Richard
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Hi,
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
>> If you are in the unfortunate situation of having willfully
>> chained yourself to one Hardware/OS supplier and that
>> supplier is unwilling to release Java6 for your platform,
>> it may be time to finally ditch
>
> ...JOSM in anticipation of imminent Potlatch
On Thursday 11 Mar 2010 3:42:47 pm jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
> That is a great idea.
> What about making video as well, on how to use OSM/JOSM/Potlatch how to get
> started. Video Screencasts?
>
actually Gsoc is meant for developing the application as such (as in writing
code), not w
Frederik Ramm wrote:
> If you are in the unfortunate situation of having willfully
> chained yourself to one Hardware/OS supplier and that
> supplier is unwilling to release Java6 for your platform,
> it may be time to finally ditch
...JOSM in anticipation of imminent Potlatch 2 wondrousness.
That is a great idea.
What about making video as well, on how to use OSM/JOSM/Potlatch how to get
started. Video Screencasts?
mike
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
> For one of OSM GSoC'10 projects I would like to suggest "unofficial
> guide" for mapping. We all know tha
For one of OSM GSoC'10 projects I would like to suggest "unofficial
guide" for mapping. We all know that there is a little haos in tagging
(some says it's good, some says it bad), but so far biggest confusion
comes from not how to tag things, but how to tag complex situations or
how to even map com
All,
Dirk (the current JOSM maintainer) has just announced on josm-dev
that JOSM will move to Java6 around the end of this month. This means
that anyone who does not have Java6 may continue to work with the
current JOSM release but will not be able to use the new builds from
April on.
Bac
Mike.
Thank you for your suggestion.
I do not know where the apache licence ref comes from. This year's
application says GPL with a note saying some is PD.
Graham
On Mar 11, 2010 7:36 AM, "jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com" <
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote:
My GSOC suggestion :
Get the po
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