Re: [OSM-talk] Abnormal votings on military objects in RU wiki part; PocketGIS madness

2010-04-11 Thread Eugene Iline
Good morning, All. I am one of the representative of OSM/PocketGis team. At this moment we have 70+ active members of the both projects (OSM and PocketGis) simultaneously http://tinyurl.com/y3cotlt . We operate mainly in Moscow region, but we have active memebers throughout the whole western Russi

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM: Mapping party idea, and language question

2010-04-11 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El día Saturday 10 April 2010 22:07:35, Nick Whitelegg dijo: > So I'm wondering if anyone would want to do some sort of hiking-orientated > mapping party up there somewhere, either during the week before or the week > after? I have to admit I know next to nothing about this part of the world, > oth

Re: [OSM-talk] Abnormal votings on military objects in RU wiki part; PocketGIS madness

2010-04-11 Thread John Smith
On 12 April 2010 09:18, Gregory wrote: > Most of the time mapping military areas is not a security risk, but perhaps It's also useful to know target practice areas for safety reasons... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstre

Re: [OSM-talk] Abnormal votings on military objects in RU wiki part; PocketGIS madness

2010-04-11 Thread Gregory
The military issue has come up with OSM before. My thoughts: Most of the time mapping military areas is not a security risk, but perhaps mapping the roads and buildings inside them (if you can't see them from outside the area). Anyone can take these notes, and if they are for bad intentions they wi

Re: [OSM-talk] project

2010-04-11 Thread Jon Burgess
On Sun, 2010-04-11 at 22:36 +0200, Torsten Mohr wrote: > Hello, > > i created a GIS database and imported the planet data with osm2pgsql -m. > So the data is stored in mercaator format. > > When executing this raw SQL query: > > select st_X(way), st_Y(way), name from planet_osm_point where capit

[OSM-talk] project

2010-04-11 Thread Torsten Mohr
Hello, i created a GIS database and imported the planet data with osm2pgsql -m. So the data is stored in mercaator format. When executing this raw SQL query: select st_X(way), st_Y(way), name from planet_osm_point where capital='yes'; Then i get some data like: st_x| st_y

Re: [OSM-talk] Abnormal votings on military objects in RU wiki part; PocketGIS madness

2010-04-11 Thread John Smith
2010/4/12 Gleb Smirnoff : > The argument about China is new, however. Thanks. Here's a link with more information http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-03/07/content_821274.htm ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.o

Re: [OSM-talk] Abnormal votings on military objects in RU wiki part; PocketGIS madness

2010-04-11 Thread Gleb Smirnoff
Hello, Let me followup on this topic. I am Russian citizen and I didn't want this problem to appear on this list. I hoped that we could solve it ourselves. I second all the information that Komяpa provided. Also, all the arguments that were provided to Kirill by Frederik, John, Liz and oth

Re: [OSM-talk] Abnormal votings on military objects in RU wiki part; PocketGIS madness

2010-04-11 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
>> There are to projects, one already launched and one bing prepared, similar >> to OSM, but both sponsored by big companies -one by Yandex (our Russian >> biggest search engine, could say local Google) the other - by on of the >> leading Russain navigation software companies. The do know very well

Re: [OSM-talk] Abnormal votings on military objects in RU wiki part; PocketGIS madness

2010-04-11 Thread John Smith
On 12 April 2010 00:37, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > I appreciate the predicament and as I pointed out it may very well be > that removing landuse=military from Russia is the least worst option > for everyone involved. Removing data just because a country doesn't like it isn't a good reason,

Re: [OSM-talk] Abnormal votings on military objects in RU wiki part; PocketGIS madness

2010-04-11 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 14:17, Kirill Bestoujev wrote: > 2010/4/11 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason >> >> It's useful to check out some of the lengths Wikipedia (especially >> local language editions) go to to bend over backwards for national >> law. > > Wikipedia is not a good example - the geo-informati

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetBugs silliness

2010-04-11 Thread John Smith
On 11 April 2010 20:42, Ed Avis wrote: > Worse, there is no feedback to the original bug reporter, who won't even get > a message saying that his bug has been rejected. The bug is then deleted > after > seven days, so the information is lost. I wonder how many other contributions > have been lo

Re: [OSM-talk] Abnormal votings on military objects in RU wiki part; PocketGIS madness

2010-04-11 Thread Kirill Bestoujev
2010/4/11 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason > I'd like to suggest that you take down the forum post pointing people > to mass-vote on the OSM wiki. How we decide things as a project isn't > a function of how many people you can convince to mass-register for > the wiki. > This was a call not to mass regist

Re: [OSM-talk] Abnormal votings on military objects in RU wiki part; PocketGIS madness

2010-04-11 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 11 April 2010 12:37, Nic Roets wrote: > Frederik, > > He did not give an exhaustive list of all the censorship laws, rules > and regulations of his country. Rather he was just giving a little bit > of background information. > > If there is something in the Russian DB that their government want

Re: [OSM-talk] Abnormal votings on military objects in RU wiki part; PocketGIS madness

2010-04-11 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2010/4/11 Kirill Bestoujev : > I'm a member of that team. I.'m one of those who voted for changing the > rules of mapping military in Russia. The reason for that was NOT the > problems to OUR project, but problems to the possibility to legally use OSM > in Russia. It's nice to have someone from th

Re: [OSM-talk] xybot edit area size

2010-04-11 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 10 Apr 2010, at 03:33, Martin Fossdal Guttesen wrote: > Sorry i dont know Flash or ActionScript > > and after thinking about it. it would be better to handle it on the server > and i dont know rails ruby or what it is called > > but i have looked at the source and i think i have found the sp

Re: [OSM-talk] Abnormal votings on military objects in RU wiki part; PocketGIS madness

2010-04-11 Thread Patrick Kilian
Hi all, > If there is something in the Russian DB that their government wants us > to remove, then we should remove it. Otherwise it could escalate to > the point where they block osm.org, or even have an edit war between > us and hackers employed by the KGB^H^H^H Russian Intelligence. The > entit

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetBugs silliness

2010-04-11 Thread Ed Avis
I've noticed some bug reports on OpenStreetBugs being closed without being fixed, for example this exchange: Cannonbury biz centre is missing [Nickb via OffMaps, 2009-09-19 16:42:42 CEST] If it is missing, then please add it.Marked as "fixed". [NoName, 2010-04-10 22:54:46 CEST] I

Re: [OSM-talk] Abnormal votings on military objects in RU wiki part; PocketGIS madness

2010-04-11 Thread Nic Roets
Frederik, He did not give an exhaustive list of all the censorship laws, rules and regulations of his country. Rather he was just giving a little bit of background information. If there is something in the Russian DB that their government wants us to remove, then we should remove it. Otherwise it

Re: [OSM-talk] Abnormal votings on military objects in RU wiki part; PocketGIS madness

2010-04-11 Thread Pieren
We have a similar issue in France about illegal content in OSM. I'ts about... individual addresses. Our data privacy laws consider an individual address as an indirect private information (even anonymized). This law is an exception in Europe and might change in the near future but until then, we ha

Re: [OSM-talk] Abnormal votings on military objects in RU wiki part; PocketGIS madness

2010-04-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Kirill Bestoujev wrote: > We (PocketGis team) are currently making some efforts to prove to our > state authorities that OSM data can be used by anyone, in any way. This > is only possible if that data contains nothing that violates Russian > legislation. You have just explained that using

Re: [OSM-talk] Abnormal votings on military objects in RU wiki part; PocketGIS madness

2010-04-11 Thread Liz
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010, Kirill Bestoujev wrote: > Hello! > > Just to explain the point of view of the PocketGis team: > thankyou Kirill can we ask you about using different tiles with no landuse=military if these were available would this deal with your problem? (it is of no use for the state to pr

Re: [OSM-talk] Abnormal votings on military objects in RU wiki part; PocketGIS madness

2010-04-11 Thread Kirill Bestoujev
Hello! Just to explain the point of view of the PocketGis team: I'm a member of that team. I.'m one of those who voted for changing the rules of mapping military in Russia. The reason for that was NOT the problems to OUR project, but problems to the possibility to legally use OSM in Russia. For

[OSM-talk] mapgen version 1.00 published

2010-04-11 Thread Gary68
hi, today i thought it was time for version 1.00 - i am sure there are some bugs left and still things to improve but... here is what happened in the last releases: v1.00 (rel. Apr. 11th, 2010) * steps are now drawn with linecap=butt; better look * legend can now be drawn in lower right