[OSM-talk] old Army Map Service Topographic Maps as WMS ?

2010-05-07 Thread AssetBurned
Hi, in the german mailing list, one of our fellow mapper posted a link to the University of Texas Libraries collection of Army Maps. http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/ He asked if it would be a source, he could use to name places in OSM. So I forward this question and add my own. Can we use i

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread Phil! Gold
* Kirill Bestoujev [2010-05-07 13:21 +0400]: > You did understand the text of the voting correctly. But once again: > this voting, as ANY OTHER VOTING on osm-wiki HAS NO POWER OF A RULE. > Anyone can map anything in any way he likes. No one in OSM can force > an osmer to stop mapping or to map in

Re: [OSM-talk] TMC comprehension questions.

2010-05-07 Thread colliar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Marcus Wolschon schrieb: > 22705 is a part of the B31 while > 52863 is a part of B3. No it has to be the other way around. There is definitly a data error. Just have a look at the relations for B3 and B31 or use wikipedia: http://de.wikipedia.org/wi

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 May 2010 19:50, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I share your doubts but then again, to use the same kind of slippery slope > argument, if I were to remove all bullshit from our Wiki there'd not be much > left. Most of the bullshit, as you put it, doesn't purport to be authoritative, which is what has

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
John, John Smith wrote: > I have no problem with people not wanting to map something, but you > have to draw the line somewhere, and I think this line has been > crossed by this voting proposal... I share your doubts but then again, to use the same kind of slippery slope argument, if I were to r

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 May 2010 19:36, Frederik Ramm wrote: > If this happens, then we have a clash of two principles. Either we say > that the principle of subsidiarity overrides the "freedom to tag", > allowing the Russians to restrict that freedom in their area because it > is, after all, their area; or we say t

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
Kirill, Kirill Bestoujev wrote: > You did understand the text of the voting correctly. But once again: > this voting, as ANY OTHER VOTING on osm-wiki HAS NO POWER OF A RULE. > Anyone can map anything in any way he likes. No one in OSM can force > an osmer to stop mapping or to map in an other way.

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread Anton Martchukov
On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 11:15:02PM +0200, Milo van der Linden wrote: > Let them. I am a Russian and Russian resident myself and I would agree with this. Please do not get in too serious untill some real actions are seen. Till that it is just the discussion and flame on wiki and Russian forum unles

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread Kirill Bestoujev
You did understand the text of the voting correctly. But once again: this voting, as ANY OTHER VOTING on osm-wiki HAS NO POWER OF A RULE. Anyone can map anything in any way he likes. No one in OSM can force an osmer to stop mapping or to map in an other way. So this particular voting can ONLY be t

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread Milo van der Linden
The Russian OpenStreetMap users have proven that they are capable to bring the issue to the international community when they need to before. This led to a long discussion on the list dominated (again in my opinion) by people having no clue of what it is like to live in Russia. I think, that if

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread Maarten Deen
On Fri, 7 May 2010 12:32:28 +0400, Kirill Bestoujev wrote: > Did I say 'decide'? No. > > As we have seen from previous discussion in forum and on this list > THERE ARE NO RULES ON HOW TO MAP IN OSM. Anyone can map in any way he > wants. That's an axiom. > > Yeh, deleting is vandalism = deleting

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread Kirill Bestoujev
Did I say 'decide'? No. As we have seen from previous discussion in forum and on this list THERE ARE NO RULES ON HOW TO MAP IN OSM. Anyone can map in any way he wants. That's an axiom. Yeh, deleting is vandalism = deleting good data is forbidden. That is the only rule (copyright questions are no

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 May 2010 18:14, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: you do not have any f*cking right to call it substandard. > I would agree with you on that one! It's easy to misinterpret what non-native english speaking people say, substandard probably isn't what the person had in mind. What if th

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El 07/05/2010 10:09, Upliner escribió: > Most interesting part is this: >> I offer to authorize the Board of OSM Russia to resolve any questions [...] The board of "OSM Russia"? WTF is "OSM Russia"? If they want to get all legalese on our asses, they might as well set up a chapter and be recogni

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Kirill Bestoujev wrote: > There are no rules in OSM. > I would disagree and say there are some rules, in fact a buch of them, at the very least there is Copyright law and the creative commons copyleft which is the basis for our collaboration. >>>you do not have an

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
This whole issue is absurd. Such laws is absurd (how "secret" can be something that can be seen from sat photos? Huh?) and overreaching, and our response to it is absurd. If you don't wanna map it - don't. If you want to warn others about issues with laws - allright, very nice of you, do it. But pl

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread Maarten Deen
On Fri, 7 May 2010 11:56:43 +0400, Kirill Bestoujev wrote: > There are no rules in OSM. That is not entirely true. > So my personal opinion is that we do have right to discuss anything we > want about our country in out own language and you do not have any > f*cking right to call it substandard.

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread Upliner
Hi. There is another one abnormal voting: http://tinyurl.com/34r74hz Most interesting part is this: > I offer to authorize the Board of OSM Russia to resolve any questions about > the OSM data on the territory of Russia, the actions of users and > participants of OSM in the territory of Russia,

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread Kirill Bestoujev
There are no rules in OSM. So my personal opinion is that we do have right to discuss anything we want about our country in out own language and you do not have any f*cking right to call it substandard. Kirill, from Russia. 2010/5/7 Patrick Petschge : > Hi, > >> My personal opinion: >> Let them.

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 May 2010 17:36, Maarten Deen wrote: > I wouldn't bet on a government saying "you were not in our country when > you disclosed our state secrets, so you're off the hook". I'm sure that if > they find their secrets to be important enough, they will arrest you if you > come to that country, even

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread Maarten Deen
On Fri, 7 May 2010 17:18:02 +1000, John Smith wrote: > On 7 May 2010 17:01, Maarten Deen wrote: >> Granted, this is _photograhing inside a military zone_, and not looking >> from a public road to a military zone, but the legality of it all depends >> on the law of the country. > > No one is enco

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 May 2010 17:01, Maarten Deen wrote: > Granted, this is _photograhing inside a military zone_, and not looking > from a public road to a military zone, but the legality of it all depends > on the law of the country. No one is encouraging or saying you should map anything if it is against the

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread Maarten Deen
On Fri, 7 May 2010 08:10:06 +0200 (CEST), "Patrick Petschge" Kilian"" wrote: > Hi, > >> My personal opinion: >> Let them. > I respect your opinion but I don't think that it is a good idea. But see > below for details. > >> It is a good thing they are figuring out how to enjoy OpenStreetMap >>