Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps

2010-05-17 Thread Andrew McCarthy
Hi, On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 08:48:53PM -0400, Sami Dalouche wrote: > The http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php page contains only > auto-routable maps, right ? > > My current need is to get : > - routable maps for Quebec, Vermont, New Hampshire, and NY > - hiking maps for Quebec, Vermont, New Ha

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread Gregory
On 17 May 2010 07:48, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Roy Wallace wrote: > > I really like Robert's contribution. But I guess I understand, now, > > that some people think it falls short on story-telling. > > I think my grief with the suggestion is that not only does it not tell > the OSM story but IMHO

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread Alex S.
Frederik Ramm wrote: > I think my grief with the suggestion is that not only does it not tell > the OSM story but IMHO tells a wrong story. I think if it were like one > of those 70s logos, just OSM written in a funny font, I'd probably still > find it extremely bland but at least it would not s

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki contributions

2010-05-17 Thread Claudius
Am 17.05.2010 00:59, Frederik Ramm: > Hi, > > SteveC wrote: >> Only a large scale change is going to fix that, bar a few things that >> you've already shot down like having a feedback tab. Something so >> obvious and easy to do that I've been asked multiple times why on >> Earth we haven't done it.

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki contributions

2010-05-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: > I don't think that an a patch for the rails port which lets people > add feedback would be difficult to do http://www.skobbler.co.uk/osmbugs Skobbler rocks. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/new-logo-tp5046672p5064419.html

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki contributions

2010-05-17 Thread Claudius
Am 17.05.2010 12:18, Richard Fairhurst: > > Frederik Ramm wrote: >> I don't think that an a patch for the rails port which lets people >> add feedback would be difficult to do > > http://www.skobbler.co.uk/osmbugs www.openstreetbugs.org Are we talking feedback on the data or feedback on the proje

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki contributions

2010-05-17 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El 17/05/2010 1:53, SteveC escribió: > I'll send you a "I love you bean" and give you a big kiss on stage at SOTM. > > How about it? That'd be quite gay, Steve. -- Iván Sánchez Ortega ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstre

[OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread Gregory
Now a lot of places are full of pro-mappers, we are doing house numbers, shops, football pitch lines... Do we need an extra zoom level? For example I'm learning to add buildings/shops and see http://osm.org/go/euuOoC_pJ-- You can only see about a third of the shop/business names because of avoidin

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki contributions

2010-05-17 Thread Gregory
Now a lot of places are full of pro-mappers, we are doing house numbers, shops, football pitch lines... Do we need an extra zoom level? For example I'm learning to add buildings/shops and see http://osm.org/go/euuOoC_pJ-- You can only see about a third of the shop/business names because of avoidin

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki contributions

2010-05-17 Thread Grant Slater
On 17 May 2010 11:18, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > Frederik Ramm wrote: >> I don't think that an a patch for the rails port which lets people >> add feedback would be difficult to do > > http://www.skobbler.co.uk/osmbugs > > Skobbler rocks. How about something like this? http://openstreetbugs.dev

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread Maarten Deen
On Mon, 17 May 2010 13:02:53 +0100, Gregory wrote: > Now a lot of places are full of pro-mappers, we are doing house numbers, > shops, football pitch lines... Do we need an extra zoom level? > For example I'm learning to add buildings/shops and > see http://osm.org/go/euuOoC_pJ-- [1] You can only

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Maarten Deen wrote: > Adding a zoomlevel adds 4 tiles for each tile in the previous zoomlevel. > You'll go from 91 billion tiles to 366 billion. > This meaning you need 4 times the load to generate, 4 times the storage to > hold them, 4 times the traffic to displa

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread Fabio Alessandro Locati
> Adding a zoomlevel adds 4 tiles for each tile in the previous zoomlevel. > You'll go from 91 billion tiles to 366 billion. > This meaning you need 4 times the load to generate, 4 times the storage to > hold them, 4 times the traffic to display them. Mathematically speaking is true, but maybe is n

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread Maarten Deen
On Mon, 17 May 2010 14:32:34 +0200, Fabio Alessandro Locati wrote: >> Adding a zoomlevel adds 4 tiles for each tile in the previous zoomlevel. >> You'll go from 91 billion tiles to 366 billion. >> This meaning you need 4 times the load to generate, 4 times the storage >> to >> hold them, 4 times t

[OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-17 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Hi all, here is a question from one of my friends, *what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend?* any suggestions? thanks, mike ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread Niklas Cholmkvist
Hello all, Frederik Ramm typed: > > You mean that to keep pace with Waze and Google Map Maker, we should > simply drop the libertarian bullshit and become just another company > with top-down decision making and a marketing department that does > whatever seems best? Just because others manage ab

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-17 Thread Joseph Reeves
HTC Desire: if you want an iPhone without the ponce factor -or- Openmoko FreeRunner: if you want to run Debian on this Linux-based wifi gps phone. Cheers, Joseph On 17 May 2010 13:37, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: > Hi all, > > here is a question from one of my friends, > > what linu

Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps

2010-05-17 Thread Sam Vekemans
Nice, I've added a 'downloads' section on each of Canada's provincial wiki pages, for those who dont need upto the minuite Garmin Maps. Thanks to Cloudmade.com for having the .osm files made. -i'll need to figure out how to get my listing on their Sam On 5/17/10, Andrew McCarthy wrote: > Hi, > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki contributions

2010-05-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Claudius wrote: > Am 17.05.2010 12:18, Richard Fairhurst: >> Frederik Ramm wrote: >>> I don't think that an a patch for the rails port which lets people >>> add feedback would be difficult to do >> http://www.skobbler.co.uk/osmbugs > > www.openstreetbugs.org > > Are we talking feedback on th

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread pavithran
On 17 May 2010 17:32, Gregory wrote: > Now a lot of places are full of pro-mappers, we are doing house numbers, > shops, football pitch lines... > Do we need an extra zoom level? YES and I was thinking of posting about it but waited because I want to learn about simple tiles generation for small

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Speaking of not enough zoom levels, locations in the more northern and more southern latitudes actually have an "extra" zoom level. Because of the Mercartor projection, locations near 60 degree latitude (north or south) have twice the linear scale as locations on the equator for the same zoom level

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-17 Thread John Smith
On 17 May 2010 22:47, Joseph Reeves wrote: > HTC Desire: if you want an iPhone without the ponce factor There is a lot of android phones to pick from, not sure how many allow root access or you can get root access with them. > Openmoko FreeRunner: if you want to run Debian on this Linux-based >

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread John Smith
On 17 May 2010 22:31, Steve Bennett wrote: > Could it be done selectively - only in urban areas? No need for an > extra zoom level in the desert... That would at least help with the > storage and generation aspects. Most map tile systems setup with mod_tile only generate on request already, and d

[OSM-talk] How can we spread the tribal knowledge?

2010-05-17 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 21:43, SteveC wrote: Some selective replying... > Have a look at waze's twitter feed. *That* is the kind of community > building we need to be doing now. Agreed, but you personally control the openstreetmap twitter account don't you? If you think waze's twitter account i

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread Robert Martinez
On 05/17/2010 05:47 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/5/16 SteveC: > >> As for why this is better, anyone who has printed t-shirts, conference >> material or worked in branding will tell you, as I already have that the >> current logo: >> >> * has too many colours >> * doesn't scale >> *

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-17 Thread Markus Lindholm
On 17 May 2010 14:37, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: > Hi all, > > here is a question from one of my friends, > > what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend? > I have a Nokia N900 and love it. It's more of a linux-computer-in-your-pocket, but it does most of the things a smart pho

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Robert Martinez wrote: > Now, could everybody still in doubt please do a simple google > image search for "good logo" and check for logos that tell a story! > I bet you'll hardly find any. Robert, I think you have produced a good logo. Not an outstanding one, like (to quote two of my favourites

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread Eric Marsden
> "md" == Maarten Deen writes: md> Adding a zoomlevel adds 4 tiles for each tile in the previous zoomlevel. md> You'll go from 91 billion tiles to 366 billion. md> This meaning you need 4 times the load to generate, 4 times the storage to md> hold them, 4 times the traffic to display

Re: [OSM-talk] Villain?

2010-05-17 Thread Matt Amos
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > My suggestions: > > 1) Please reword the list to not have judgemental label on it. "just the > facts" i've removed the list. it was intended as a bit of fun, certainly not to offend anyone and i honestly didn't expect anyone who wasn't

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 May 2010 05:44, Eric Marsden wrote: > I wonder if it would be sensible to switch to a vector-based rendering > system for high zoom levels, as implemented at http://cartagen.org > (using HTML5 canvas). This would allow "arbitrarily" high zoom levels. > Tile-based rendering performs much

Re: [OSM-talk] Villain?

2010-05-17 Thread Nakor
Matt, Many thanks. Hopefully the tool can be back improved with all the suggestions that have been posted to this list. N. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread Eric Marsden
> "js" == John Smith writes: js> I wonder how consistent you could get the look and feel between the 2 js> systems, otherwise it might cause more confusion than anything. This would require work, yes. But even the Mapnik rendering has discontinuities between zoom levels: for instance

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/17 Robert Martinez : > right. that would be the a term. > You don't have to be a designer to use the "desaturate" button. > The challange is to make it work afterwards. > The current logo does not work monochromatic, mine does. have you ever seen a monochromatic version of the current logo

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread John F. Eldredge
One thing that has frustrated me with the current tiling system is that most POIs are only visible if you zoom in all the way, and can only see an area 50 meters or so across. This rather limits their usefulness. It would also help if you could click on a POI, or hover your mouse above it, and

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 May 2010 07:00, John F. Eldredge wrote: > One thing that has frustrated me with the current tiling system is that most > POIs are only visible if you zoom in all the way, and can only see an area 50 > meters or so across. This rather limits their usefulness. It would also > help if you

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread Alex S.
Richard Fairhurst wrote: > I'm a magazine editor. Part of my job is assessing the work our designers > come up with, [..] Not everyone is a stereotypical hacker. I am a garment decorator, sign maker and also do something similar to book cover design. > But yours is the wrong simple logo. It's

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread Gregory
On 17 May 2010 22:00, John F. Eldredge wrote: > One thing that has frustrated me with the current tiling system is that > most POIs are only visible if you zoom in all the way, and can only see an > area 50 meters or so across. This rather limits their usefulness. It would > also help if you co

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-17 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
more responses: thanks for your input BUZZ: Guttorm Flatabø - New HTC mobiles are getting very good reviews. I have a Sumsung, but I'm stuck with Android 1.5 IRC Phurl: there are only 2 real contenders... Maemo-based or Android-based and they're both pretty excellent. the former is more open, the

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > Robert Martinez wrote: > > Now, could everybody still in doubt please do a simple google > > image search for "good logo" and check for logos that tell a story! > > I bet you'll hardly find any. > > Robert, I think you have produced a g

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 May 2010 07:48, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: > BUZZ: Guttorm Flatabø - New HTC mobiles are getting very good reviews. I > have a Sumsung, but I'm stuck with Android 1.5 If you can get root on Android handsets you can load custom roms, like the one from http://cyanogenmod.com which

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread Liz
On Tue, 18 May 2010, Roy Wallace wrote: > factory-and-wave for Factory Records. > that was smoke out of the chimney, pollution and that stuff ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread Liz
On Tue, 18 May 2010, pavithran wrote: > It definitely makes mapping easy in developing areas where most of the > shops are situated side by side in a small area which is in contrast > to UK/european shops which occupy large areas . > You are also getting the reduced scale of the zoom levels becaus

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
If we get a new logo, it should at least be better than those: (not difficult ;-) ) http://telematicsnews.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/navteq-logo-bg.jpg (much harder): http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_d1yewYtBxw0/R0uK310O0tI/BXY/igckDSnEO-Y/s320/Tele+Atlas+Logo.jpg or something completely differe

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread SteveC
On May 16, 2010, at 9:47 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/5/16 SteveC : >> As for why this is better, anyone who has printed t-shirts, conference >> material or worked in branding will tell you, as I already have that the >> current logo: >> >> * has too many colours >> * doesn't scale >>

[OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-17 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
could someone with the ability please add place=isolated_dwelling to the main map features? Voting has ended on May 13 and the feature was approved. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/isolated_dwelling Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing l

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:49 AM, SteveC wrote: > > Yes you could take the existing logo and just make it red or something, but > that's just not nearly as appealing as changing it fundamentally because > there's a sea of other ideas out there that are worth looking at. I think the point is to t

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/18 SteveC : > You couldn't sort of extrapolate forward from a GIS system to OSM. You > couldn't extrapolate from crappy Nokia phones forward to the > iPhone > (without hindsight, of course). I think you're comparing apples and oranges here. You can't compare a logo (an abstract graphic w

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread Liz
On Tue, 18 May 2010, Roy Wallace wrote: > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:49 AM, SteveC wrote: > > Yes you could take the existing logo and just make it red or something, > > but that's just not nearly as appealing as changing it fundamentally > > because there's a sea of other ideas out there that are

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki contributions

2010-05-17 Thread SteveC
On May 17, 2010, at 5:01 AM, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > El 17/05/2010 1:53, SteveC escribió: >> I'll send you a "I love you bean" and give you a big kiss on stage at SOTM. >> >> How about it? > > That'd be quite gay, Steve. You're just jealous :-) Yours &c. Steve

Re: [OSM-talk] mass mailing osm mappers

2010-05-17 Thread Russ Nelson
Frederik Ramm writes: > Both of these are unwanted; (a) is not possible without actually moving > your own location around in small increments - a certain Russ N. > reputedly has a script that does that and got bollocked for it. Nope, didn't. Nobody ever complained. > I think it would be n

Re: [OSM-talk] mass mailing osm mappers

2010-05-17 Thread Russ Nelson
Serge Wroclawski writes: > It's not hard to write, actually. It's hard to get right, though. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___