Re: [talk-ph] Micro Mapping Party in Ortigas-Mandaluyong on May 22

2010-05-17 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Hi Carlos, Well, we can have a one-off tutorial event for people like you who can't come to this Mapping Party. I think maning and Ed did that one time before talking about JOSM. :-) Eugene On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Carlos Tirona carlos.tir...@gmail.comwrote: This sounds good. And

Re: [talk-ph] Micro Mapping Party in Ortigas-Mandaluyong on May 22

2010-05-17 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
The link to Facebook is obviously wrong. It should be: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=121402554549978 If you have a Facebook account, please RSVP if you can (even a decline would be useful). :-) The cake slices are also set:

Re: [OSM-talk-be] CORINE Land Cover 2000

2010-05-17 Thread Kenny Knecht
Hi, I also looked at this import but I abandoned it for several reasons: - 25ha may be good for France or even Holland but for a region like Flanders it is simply too big: we have no land use planning (ruimtelijke ordening) here whatsoever. So land use tends to be small scattered

Re: [OSM-talk-be] CORINE Land Cover 2000

2010-05-17 Thread Ben Laenen
On 5/17/10, Kenny Knecht kenny.kne...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I also looked at this import but I abandoned it for several reasons: - 25ha may be good for France or even Holland but for a region like Flanders it is simply too big: we have no land use planning (ruimtelijke ordening)

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Roy Wallace wrote: I really like Robert's contribution. But I guess I understand, now, that some people think it falls short on story-telling. I think my grief with the suggestion is that not only does it not tell the OSM story but IMHO tells a wrong story. I think if it were like one of

Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps

2010-05-17 Thread Andrew McCarthy
Hi, On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 08:48:53PM -0400, Sami Dalouche wrote: The http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php page contains only auto-routable maps, right ? My current need is to get : - routable maps for Quebec, Vermont, New Hampshire, and NY - hiking maps for Quebec, Vermont, New

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread Gregory
On 17 May 2010 07:48, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Roy Wallace wrote: I really like Robert's contribution. But I guess I understand, now, that some people think it falls short on story-telling. I think my grief with the suggestion is that not only does it not tell the OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread Alex S.
Frederik Ramm wrote: I think my grief with the suggestion is that not only does it not tell the OSM story but IMHO tells a wrong story. I think if it were like one of those 70s logos, just OSM written in a funny font, I'd probably still find it extremely bland but at least it would not

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki contributions

2010-05-17 Thread Claudius
Am 17.05.2010 00:59, Frederik Ramm: Hi, SteveC wrote: Only a large scale change is going to fix that, bar a few things that you've already shot down like having a feedback tab. Something so obvious and easy to do that I've been asked multiple times why on Earth we haven't done it. As you

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki contributions

2010-05-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: I don't think that an a patch for the rails port which lets people add feedback would be difficult to do http://www.skobbler.co.uk/osmbugs Skobbler rocks. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/new-logo-tp5046672p5064419.html

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki contributions

2010-05-17 Thread Claudius
Am 17.05.2010 12:18, Richard Fairhurst: Frederik Ramm wrote: I don't think that an a patch for the rails port which lets people add feedback would be difficult to do http://www.skobbler.co.uk/osmbugs www.openstreetbugs.org Are we talking feedback on the data or feedback on the project? I

[OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread Gregory
Now a lot of places are full of pro-mappers, we are doing house numbers, shops, football pitch lines... Do we need an extra zoom level? For example I'm learning to add buildings/shops and see http://osm.org/go/euuOoC_pJ-- You can only see about a third of the shop/business names because of

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki contributions

2010-05-17 Thread Gregory
Now a lot of places are full of pro-mappers, we are doing house numbers, shops, football pitch lines... Do we need an extra zoom level? For example I'm learning to add buildings/shops and see http://osm.org/go/euuOoC_pJ-- You can only see about a third of the shop/business names because of

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki contributions

2010-05-17 Thread Grant Slater
On 17 May 2010 11:18, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: I don't think that an a patch for the rails port which lets people add feedback would be difficult to do http://www.skobbler.co.uk/osmbugs Skobbler rocks. How about something like this?

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread Maarten Deen
On Mon, 17 May 2010 13:02:53 +0100, Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com wrote: Now a lot of places are full of pro-mappers, we are doing house numbers, shops, football pitch lines... Do we need an extra zoom level? For example I'm learning to add buildings/shops and see 

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Adding a zoomlevel adds 4 tiles for each tile in the previous zoomlevel. You'll go from 91 billion tiles to 366 billion. This meaning you need 4 times the load to generate, 4 times the storage to hold them, 4 times the

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread Fabio Alessandro Locati
Adding a zoomlevel adds 4 tiles for each tile in the previous zoomlevel. You'll go from 91 billion tiles to 366 billion. This meaning you need 4 times the load to generate, 4 times the storage to hold them, 4 times the traffic to display them. Mathematically speaking is true, but maybe is not

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread Maarten Deen
On Mon, 17 May 2010 14:32:34 +0200, Fabio Alessandro Locati fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote: Adding a zoomlevel adds 4 tiles for each tile in the previous zoomlevel. You'll go from 91 billion tiles to 366 billion. This meaning you need 4 times the load to generate, 4 times the storage to hold

[OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-17 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Hi all, here is a question from one of my friends, *what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend?* any suggestions? thanks, mike ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread Niklas Cholmkvist
Hello all, Frederik Ramm typed: SNIP You mean that to keep pace with Waze and Google Map Maker, we should simply drop the libertarian bullshit and become just another company with top-down decision making and a marketing department that does whatever seems best? Just because others manage

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-17 Thread Joseph Reeves
HTC Desire: if you want an iPhone without the ponce factor -or- Openmoko FreeRunner: if you want to run Debian on this Linux-based wifi gps phone. Cheers, Joseph On 17 May 2010 13:37, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi all, here is a question from one

Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps

2010-05-17 Thread Sam Vekemans
Nice, I've added a 'downloads' section on each of Canada's provincial wiki pages, for those who dont need upto the minuite Garmin Maps. Thanks to Cloudmade.com for having the .osm files made. -i'll need to figure out how to get my listing on their Sam On 5/17/10, Andrew McCarthy

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki contributions

2010-05-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Claudius wrote: Am 17.05.2010 12:18, Richard Fairhurst: Frederik Ramm wrote: I don't think that an a patch for the rails port which lets people add feedback would be difficult to do http://www.skobbler.co.uk/osmbugs www.openstreetbugs.org Are we talking feedback on the data or

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread pavithran
On 17 May 2010 17:32, Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com wrote: Now a lot of places are full of pro-mappers, we are doing house numbers, shops, football pitch lines... Do we need an extra zoom level? YES and I was thinking of posting about it but waited because I want to learn about simple

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Speaking of not enough zoom levels, locations in the more northern and more southern latitudes actually have an extra zoom level. Because of the Mercartor projection, locations near 60 degree latitude (north or south) have twice the linear scale as locations on the equator for the same zoom level.

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-17 Thread John Smith
On 17 May 2010 22:47, Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com wrote: HTC Desire: if you want an iPhone without the ponce factor There is a lot of android phones to pick from, not sure how many allow root access or you can get root access with them. Openmoko FreeRunner: if you want to run Debian on

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread John Smith
On 17 May 2010 22:31, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Could it be done selectively - only in urban areas? No need for an extra zoom level in the desert... That would at least help with the storage and generation aspects. Most map tile systems setup with mod_tile only generate on

[OSM-talk] How can we spread the tribal knowledge?

2010-05-17 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 21:43, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Some selective replying... Have a look at waze's twitter feed. *That* is the kind of community building we need to be doing now. Agreed, but you personally control the openstreetmap twitter account don't you? If you think waze's

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread Robert Martinez
On 05/17/2010 05:47 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/5/16 SteveCst...@asklater.com: As for why this is better, anyone who has printed t-shirts, conference material or worked in branding will tell you, as I already have that the current logo: * has too many colours * doesn't scale

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-17 Thread Markus Lindholm
On 17 May 2010 14:37, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi all, here is a question from one of my friends, what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend? I have a Nokia N900 and love it. It's more of a linux-computer-in-your-pocket, but it does most

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Robert Martinez wrote: Now, could everybody still in doubt please do a simple google image search for good logo and check for logos that tell a story! I bet you'll hardly find any. Robert, I think you have produced a good logo. Not an outstanding one, like (to quote two of my favourites)

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread Eric Marsden
md == Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl writes: md Adding a zoomlevel adds 4 tiles for each tile in the previous zoomlevel. md You'll go from 91 billion tiles to 366 billion. md This meaning you need 4 times the load to generate, 4 times the storage to md hold them, 4 times the traffic to

Re: [OSM-talk] Villain?

2010-05-17 Thread Matt Amos
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: My suggestions: 1) Please reword the list to not have judgemental label on it. just the facts i've removed the list. it was intended as a bit of fun, certainly not to offend anyone and i honestly didn't expect anyone

Re: [OSM-talk] Villain?

2010-05-17 Thread Nakor
Matt, Many thanks. Hopefully the tool can be back improved with all the suggestions that have been posted to this list. N. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread Eric Marsden
js == John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com writes: js I wonder how consistent you could get the look and feel between the 2 js systems, otherwise it might cause more confusion than anything. This would require work, yes. But even the Mapnik rendering has discontinuities between zoom

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/17 Robert Martinez m...@mray.de: right. that would be the a term. You don't have to be a designer to use the desaturate button. The challange is to make it work afterwards. The current logo does not work monochromatic, mine does. have you ever seen a monochromatic version of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread John F. Eldredge
One thing that has frustrated me with the current tiling system is that most POIs are only visible if you zoom in all the way, and can only see an area 50 meters or so across. This rather limits their usefulness. It would also help if you could click on a POI, or hover your mouse above it,

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 May 2010 07:00, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: One thing that has frustrated me with the current tiling system is that most POIs are only visible if you zoom in all the way, and can only see an area 50 meters or so across. This rather limits their usefulness. It would

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread Alex S.
Richard Fairhurst wrote: I'm a magazine editor. Part of my job is assessing the work our designers come up with, [..] Not everyone is a stereotypical hacker. I am a garment decorator, sign maker and also do something similar to book cover design. But yours is the wrong simple logo. It's a

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread Gregory
On 17 May 2010 22:00, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: One thing that has frustrated me with the current tiling system is that most POIs are only visible if you zoom in all the way, and can only see an area 50 meters or so across. This rather limits their usefulness. It would

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-17 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
more responses: thanks for your input BUZZ: Guttorm Flatabø - New HTC mobiles are getting very good reviews. I have a Sumsung, but I'm stuck with Android 1.5 IRC xjjk Phurl: there are only 2 real contenders... Maemo-based or Android-based and they're both pretty excellent. the former is more

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Robert Martinez wrote: Now, could everybody still in doubt please do a simple google image search for good logo and check for logos that tell a story! I bet you'll hardly find any. Robert, I think you have

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/18 SteveC st...@asklater.com: You couldn't sort of extrapolate forward from a GIS system to OSM. You couldn't extrapolate from crappy Nokia phones forward to the iPhone (without hindsight, of course). I think you're comparing apples and oranges here. You can't compare a logo (an

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-17 Thread Liz
On Tue, 18 May 2010, Roy Wallace wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:49 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Yes you could take the existing logo and just make it red or something, but that's just not nearly as appealing as changing it fundamentally because there's a sea of other ideas out

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki contributions

2010-05-17 Thread SteveC
On May 17, 2010, at 5:01 AM, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: El 17/05/2010 1:53, SteveC escribió: I'll send you a I love you bean and give you a big kiss on stage at SOTM. How about it? That'd be quite gay, Steve. You're just jealous :-) Yours c. Steve

Re: [OSM-talk] mass mailing osm mappers

2010-05-17 Thread Russ Nelson
Frederik Ramm writes: Both of these are unwanted; (a) is not possible without actually moving your own location around in small increments - a certain Russ N. reputedly has a script that does that and got bollocked for it. Nope, didn't. Nobody ever complained. I think it would be nice

Re: [OSM-talk] mass mailing osm mappers

2010-05-17 Thread Russ Nelson
Serge Wroclawski writes: It's not hard to write, actually. It's hard to get right, though. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog

[talk-au] Fwd: [Aust-NZ] guide to spatial acronyms

2010-05-17 Thread John Smith
-- Forwarded message -- From: Ross Johnson ros...@hotmail.com Date: 17 May 2010 16:06 Subject: [Aust-NZ] guide to spatial acronyms To: aust...@lists.osgeo.org This is a handy guide for deciphering acronyms used in the spatial industry!

Re: [talk-au] Tagging stormwater drain areas?

2010-05-17 Thread Andrew Gregory
On Mon, 17 May 2010 13:27:56 +0800, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: Is this what you are talking about? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/basin%3Dinfiltration http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-February/034383.html I had looked at basin=infiltration

Re: [talk-au] Tagging stormwater drain areas?

2010-05-17 Thread Liz
On Mon, 17 May 2010, Steve Bennett wrote: Incidentally, to make sure I'm understanding what we're talking about, you're talking about an area where water runs *into*, in order to seep into the soil? That would be a retention basin I think, and these drains have exits as far as i understand

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-17 Thread Liz
On Mon, 17 May 2010, John Smith wrote: The current tagging scheme for doing transponders don't seem to take multiple transponders on the same tower: multiple transponders and transmitters is normal, isn't it? (puts on ham radio hat) ___ Talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Tagging stormwater drain areas?

2010-05-17 Thread Richard Colless
Liz wrote: On Mon, 17 May 2010, Steve Bennett wrote: Incidentally, to make sure I'm understanding what we're talking about, you're talking about an area where water runs *into*, in order to seep into the soil? That would be a "retention basin" I think, and these drains

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-17 Thread John Smith
On 17 May 2010 20:12, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: multiple transponders and transmitters is normal, isn't it? (puts on ham radio hat) Not always, think older AM radio mast installations, especially in rural areas... ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-17 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 18 May 2010, you wrote: On 17 May 2010 20:12, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: multiple transponders and transmitters is normal, isn't it? (puts on ham radio hat) Not always, think older AM radio mast installations, especially in rural areas... that's this

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-17 Thread Liz
On Tue, 18 May 2010, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: On Tue, 18 May 2010, you wrote: On 17 May 2010 20:12, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: multiple transponders and transmitters is normal, isn't it? (puts on ham radio hat) Not always, think older AM radio mast installations, especially in rural

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 May 2010 08:04, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: around here every mast has heaps of transmitters tower space can be sold for good money a single transmitter on a tower is rare, unless we map these ones Maybe so, but the data the ACMA released only covers TV and radio stations, it

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-17 Thread Alex (Maxious) Sadleir
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:29 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 May 2010 08:04, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: around here every mast has heaps of transmitters tower space can be sold for good money a single transmitter on a tower is rare, unless we map these

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-17 Thread Liz
On Tue, 18 May 2010, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:29 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 May 2010 08:04, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: around here every mast has heaps of transmitters tower space can be sold for good money a

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-17 Thread Liz
On Tue, 18 May 2010, John Smith wrote: On 18 May 2010 09:35, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com wrote: The original data source contains all those kinds of things: http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/site_proximity.nearby_sites_list?pMODE= DMSpLAT=-35.13873086pLONG=149.17643464 It

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-17 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 18 May 2010, John Smith wrote: On 18 May 2010 09:50, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: Interesting, lists commercial licencees only That's a list of transmission sites, while most are probably commercial installations, I'm guessing some of the transponders will be for community radio

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 May 2010 10:29, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: FF3 or Konqueror was enough to get a listing of the sites close to a given area despite a piece saying xml error They have a map, but I couldn't get it to work, just the XML errors in frames... ___

[talk-au] vandalism?

2010-05-17 Thread Liz
on a low zoom map Tasmania now appears as Hampshire haven't got time to check it out ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

[talk-au] Fwd: [Aust-NZ] FW: Request to Participate in GEOSS Survey [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2010-05-17 Thread John Smith
-- Forwarded message -- From: Bruce Bannerman b.banner...@bom.gov.au Date: 18 May 2010 11:21 Subject: [Aust-NZ] FW: Request to Participate in GEOSS Survey [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] To: aust...@lists.osgeo.org aust...@lists.osgeo.org Fyi. This is a worthwhile survey if you get the time.

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-17 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 6:41 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still after suggestions on how to tag multiple transponders for the same node, I don't think tagging multiple nodes on the same spot is a good idea, using a single node + multiple relations might work I suppose,

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 May 2010 13:00, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Relations should only be used for groups of objects in which each object may take on a specific role. Maybe so, but it's often the best way to tag things at present since you can't have duplicate keys, but in this case you are

Re: [talk-au] vandalism?

2010-05-17 Thread Alex Lum
Someone had placed a POI in north western Tasmania for the Hampshire district, but with k=place,v=country, so it was showing up as a country label. I changed it to a hamlet for now. Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 11:40:01 +1000 From: Liz ed...@billiau.net Subject: [talk-au] vandalism? To:

Re: [Talk-br] Importação dos dados da prefeitura d o Rio de Janeiro

2010-05-17 Thread Arlindo Pereira
Perguntei na talk@ e deram o pulo do gato: o datum estava errado. python ogr2osm -p +proj=utm +zone=23 +south +ellps=GRS67 +towgs84=-66.87,4.37,-38.52 arquivo.shp Pelo o que eu entendi, aprece que o padrão brasileiro de datum SAD69 é diferente do padrão internacional, uma espécie de PAL-M por

Re: [Talk-br] Virada Hacker com OSM

2010-05-17 Thread Arlindo Pereira
E aí galera, contem aí como foi! []s Em 14 de maio de 2010 11:05, Samuel Vale srcv...@minaslivre.org escreveu: On Sex, 2010-05-14 at 00:42 -0300, Vitor George wrote: Olá Pessoal, No sábado estarei na Casa de Cultura Digital em SP para colocar na pauta o OpenStreetMap. Vou propor para

Re: [Talk-de] Stolpersteine - Vollständigkeitsauswertu ng

2010-05-17 Thread Toni Erdmann
Am 17.05.2010 07:21, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Am 16.05.2010 21:55, schrieb Walter Nordmann: hi jan, ich dachte, es wäre inzwischen ALLEN klar, dass Relationen NICHT zum Gruppieren (zusammenstellen von Objekten) dienen soll. Da gab es vor einigen Wochen mal wieder Diskussionen drüber. Na

Re: [Talk-de] Falsche(?) hamlets

2010-05-17 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Sonntag 16 Mai 2010, 18:39:30 schrieben Sie: Ich habe folgendes aus Deinem Text gelesen, tut mir Leid, wenn ich Dich falsch verstanden habe: macht ja nix, sowas kommt vor :-) Ein Stadtteil ist ein Gebiet innerhalb der Ortsgrenzen (die gelben schilder) einer groesseren Stadt, das aus

Re: [Talk-de] OSM städtisch ausgelegt. Land brauch t den cyclefootway

2010-05-17 Thread Martin Simon
Am 16. Mai 2010 21:18 schrieb Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de: Steht mal im widerspruch zu dem Bild hier: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath und auch der in dieser Seite verfassten Definition in Schriftform. In der Deutschen variante:        

Re: [Talk-de] OSM städtisch ausgelegt. Land brauch t den cyclefootway

2010-05-17 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 08:31:50AM +0200, Martin Simon wrote: Das ist *nicht* die Definition von highway=path. Das ist *ein* Beispiel für die Verwendung von highway=path (genau wie die Fuß/Radweg-Kombinationen darüber). Die Definition steht weiter oben auf der Seite und erwähnt in beiden

Re: [Talk-de] Stolpersteine - Vollständigkeitsauswertu ng

2010-05-17 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Am 17.05.2010 07:21, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Am 16.05.2010 21:55, schrieb Walter Nordmann: hi jan, ich dachte, es wäre inzwischen ALLEN klar, dass Relationen NICHT zum Gruppieren (zusammenstellen von Objekten) dienen soll. Da gab es vor einigen Wochen mal wieder Diskussionen drüber.

Re: [Talk-de] Stolpersteine - Vollständigkeitsauswertu ng

2010-05-17 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 17.05.2010 08:17, schrieb Toni Erdmann: Am 17.05.2010 07:21, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Am 16.05.2010 21:55, schrieb Walter Nordmann: hi jan, ich dachte, es wäre inzwischen ALLEN klar, dass Relationen NICHT zum Gruppieren (zusammenstellen von Objekten) dienen soll. Da gab es vor einigen

Re: [Talk-de] Stolpersteine - Vollständigkeitsauswertu ng

2010-05-17 Thread Toni Erdmann
Am 17.05.2010 09:12, schrieb Ulf Lamping: Am 17.05.2010 08:17, schrieb Toni Erdmann: Am 17.05.2010 07:21, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Am 16.05.2010 21:55, schrieb Walter Nordmann: hi jan, ich dachte, es wäre inzwischen ALLEN klar, dass Relationen NICHT zum Gruppieren (zusammenstellen von

Re: [Talk-de] Stolpersteine - Vollständigkeitsauswertu ng

2010-05-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Ulf Lamping wrote: ich dachte, es wäre inzwischen ALLEN klar, dass Relationen NICHT zum Gruppieren (zusammenstellen von Objekten) dienen soll. Da gab es vor einigen Wochen mal wieder Diskussionen drüber. +1 Das eine sind normallerweise recht eng geografisch zusammen gehörende

Re: [Talk-de] Stolpersteine - Vollständigkeitsauswertu ng

2010-05-17 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Am 17.05.2010 08:17, schrieb Toni Erdmann: Am 17.05.2010 07:21, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Am 16.05.2010 21:55, schrieb Walter Nordmann: hi jan, ich dachte, es wäre inzwischen ALLEN klar, dass Relationen NICHT zum Gruppieren (zusammenstellen von Objekten) dienen soll. Da gab es vor einigen

Re: [Talk-de] Stolpersteine - Vollständigkeitsauswertu ng

2010-05-17 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Am 17.05.2010 09:24, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hallo, Ulf Lamping wrote: ich dachte, es wäre inzwischen ALLEN klar, dass Relationen NICHT zum Gruppieren (zusammenstellen von Objekten) dienen soll. Da gab es vor einigen Wochen mal wieder Diskussionen drüber. +1 Das eine sind normallerweise

Re: [Talk-de] Stolpersteine - Vollständigkeitsauswertu ng

2010-05-17 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Am 17.05.2010 09:24, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hallo, Ulf Lamping wrote: ich dachte, es wäre inzwischen ALLEN klar, dass Relationen NICHT zum Gruppieren (zusammenstellen von Objekten) dienen soll. Da gab es vor einigen Wochen mal wieder Diskussionen drüber. +1 Das eine sind normallerweise

Re: [Talk-de] Stolpersteine - Vollständigkeitsauswertu ng

2010-05-17 Thread Andre Joost
Am 17.05.10 09:24, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Das andere sind logische Gruppierungen alle Objekte einer Art: Packstationen, Stolpersteine, etc., die jeweils den gleichen Tag tragen - und das über die ganze Welt verteilt. Die Info kann man dann aber genauso gut über Datenbankabfragen (z.B. XAPI)

Re: [Talk-de] OSM städtisch ausgelegt. Land braucht den cyclefootway

2010-05-17 Thread André Riedel
Am 17. Mai 2010 08:53 schrieb Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de: On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 08:31:50AM +0200, Martin Simon wrote: Das ist *nicht* die Definition von highway=path. Das ist *ein* Beispiel für die Verwendung von highway=path (genau wie die Fuß/Radweg-Kombinationen darüber). Die Definition

Re: [Talk-de] Stolpersteine - Vollständigkeitsauswertu ng

2010-05-17 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Am 17.05.2010 09:24, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hallo, Ulf Lamping wrote: ich dachte, es wäre inzwischen ALLEN klar, dass Relationen NICHT zum Gruppieren (zusammenstellen von Objekten) dienen soll. Da gab es vor einigen Wochen mal wieder Diskussionen drüber. +1 Das eine sind normallerweise

Re: [Talk-de] Stolpersteine - Vollständigkeitsauswertu ng

2010-05-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Jan Tappenbeck wrote: Dann frage ich mich allerdings was dann eine Paketbox-Relation [1] soll. Die ist in meinen Augen genauso sinnfrei wie eine Relation Bundesstrassen in Nordrhein-Westfalen oder McDonald's-Filialen in Deutschland oder Strassenlaternen, die mit Gas betrieben werden.

Re: [Talk-de] Wie tagged man Sanitätshäuser?

2010-05-17 Thread Fabian
zumindest zu sun_studio [1] die uebersicht ist ziemlich hilfreich [2] [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/beauty [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features#Proposed_Features_-_Shop Daniela Duerbeck wrote: Hi! Irgendwie finde ich ständig Läden, für die es

Re: [Talk-de] Stolpersteine - Vollständigkeitsauswertu ng

2010-05-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Andre Joost wrote: - und das über die ganze Welt verteilt. Die Info kann man dann aber genauso gut über Datenbankabfragen (z.B. XAPI) abholen. genauso gut nicht, weil man mit der XAPI neben der bounding box nur genau ein Kriterium abfragen kann. Fuer den konkreten vorliegenden Fall

Re: [Talk-de] Stolpersteine - Vollständigkeitsauswe rtung

2010-05-17 Thread Stephan Wolff
Am 16.05.2010 19:30, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: seit einigen Wochen werden vermehrt Stolpersteine erfaßt. ... Es würde mich freuen, wenn die Erfassung in HH so weiter vorangeht wie bisher - es gibt nämlich schon ein großes Interesse an der daraus entstehenden Karte. Letzte Woche habe ich mir

Re: [Talk-de] Stolpersteine - Vollständigkeitsauswertu ng

2010-05-17 Thread Andre Joost
Am 17.05.10 10:07, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Grundsaetzlich sind Mapper bei uns eine knappe Ressource, wir sollten also dem Mapper so wenig wie moeglich Arbeit aufbuerden, und einen Stolperstein einfach als solchen zu taggen und es dem Suchenden zu ueberlassen, was er suchen will, ist

Re: [Talk-de] Stolpersteine - Vollständigkeitsauswertu ng

2010-05-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Andre Joost wrote: Wenn ich alle Packstationen über die Relation einlade, fällt ein falscher tag (auch beim Operator, z.B. mit oder ohne AG, Gmbh usw) eher auf. Gerade bei Objekten mit nem Haufen Zusatztags schleichen sich da schnell Fehler ein. Das sollte man lieber ueber ein

Re: [Talk-de] OSM städtisch ausgelegt. Land brauch t den cyclefootway

2010-05-17 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hola, On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 09:53:50AM +0200, André Riedel wrote: Ich habe trail eingworfen, da es eine Kategorie unter Path ist. Ich sehe aber ein, dass es da noch Definitionsbedarf brauch. Bei OSM fehlt es meistens nicht an der definition - die wird sowieso immer interpretiert und nach

Re: [Talk-de] Stolpersteine - Vollständigkeitsauswertu ng

2010-05-17 Thread Walter Nordmann
Toni Erdmann wrote: ... Relationen gruppieren doch gerade (physikalische) Objekte zu einer Einheit und geben ihnen eine gemeinsame Bedeutung. genau so sehe ich das auch. Wenn man aber mal genauer hinsieht (und das haben einige hier bereits getan +++) bestehen vernünftige Relationen aus

Re: [Talk-de] Stolpersteine - Vollständigkeitsauswertu ng

2010-05-17 Thread Andre Joost
Am 17.05.10 10:35, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hallo, Andre Joost wrote: Wenn ich alle Packstationen über die Relation einlade, fällt ein falscher tag (auch beim Operator, z.B. mit oder ohne AG, Gmbh usw) eher auf. Gerade bei Objekten mit nem Haufen Zusatztags schleichen sich da schnell Fehler

Re: [Talk-de] Stolpersteine - Vollständigkeitsauswertu ng

2010-05-17 Thread Andre Joost
Am 17.05.10 10:57, schrieb Walter Nordmann: Wenn man aber mal genauer hinsieht (und das haben einige hier bereits getan +++) bestehen vernünftige Relationen aus VERSCHIEDENEN Objekten, die dann zu einer Einheit zusammengefasst werden. (z.b Stop-Positionen, Haltestellen, Bahnsteige und

Re: [Talk-de] Stolpersteine - Vollständigkeitsauswertu ng

2010-05-17 Thread Andre Joost
Am 17.05.10 10:07, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hallo, Andre Joost wrote: - und das über die ganze Welt verteilt. Die Info kann man dann aber genauso gut über Datenbankabfragen (z.B. XAPI) abholen. genauso gut nicht, weil man mit der XAPI neben der bounding box nur genau ein Kriterium abfragen

Re: [Talk-de] Flüsse und Kanäle

2010-05-17 Thread Sven Geggus
Markus liste12a4...@gmx.de wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:waterway=riverbank Es gibt ja durchaus auch ein width tag. Leider berücksichtigt das der Mapnik aber nicht. Vor langer Zeit hab ich das aber in den Osmarender eingebaut. Falls jemand also mit Laser Entfernungsmesser

Re: [Talk-de] Stolpersteine - Vollständigkeitsauswertu ng

2010-05-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Andre Joost wrote: Dann mach mal ;-) Und solange dürfen keine Stolpersteine/Packstationen/Wanderwege gemappt werden! Klar duerfen sie. Bloss sollte man dafuer keine Relationen missbrauchen. Mal für den Bahnbereich: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadtbahn_Bonn Immerhin drei

Re: [Talk-de] Stolpersteine - Vollständigkeitsauswertu ng

2010-05-17 Thread Andre Joost
Am 17.05.10 12:16, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Mal für den Bahnbereich: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadtbahn_Bonn Immerhin drei Betreiber auf 6 Linien ohne eindeutige Abgrenzung Und wie habt ihr das tagging-maessig dann geloest? In Bonn: falsch ;-) Als operator den Betreiber mit den meisten

Re: [Talk-de] Stolpersteine - Vollständigkeitsauswertu ng

2010-05-17 Thread Walter Nordmann
Andre Joost wrote: Also wenn die SGV-Wanderheime in der Wanderwegs-Sammelrelation sind, kannst du damit leben? aber sicher!! nur ne relation, die NUR aus wanderheimen besteht und sonst nix, wäre nicht ok. p.s. meine rettungspunkt-relationen sterben zu zeit. ;( hattest du sowas auch

Re: [Talk-de] Stolpersteine - Vollständigkeitsauswe rtung

2010-05-17 Thread Jacques Nietsch
Hallo André, du hast leider Recht! Mit JOSM 'Objekt laden' und der RelationsID bekomme ich in wenigen Sekunden alle Stolpersteine von Hamburg, sofern sie der Relation zugeordnet sind. Mit: wget.exe

Re: [Talk-de] Flüsse und Kanäle

2010-05-17 Thread Stephan Wolff
Am 17.05.2010 12:04, schrieb Sven Geggus: Markusliste12a4...@gmx.de wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:waterway=riverbank Es gibt ja durchaus auch ein width tag. Leider berücksichtigt das der Mapnik aber nicht. Vor langer Zeit hab ich das aber in den Osmarender eingebaut.

Re: [Talk-de] Stolpersteine - Vollständigkeitsauswe rtung

2010-05-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Jacques Nietsch wrote: Hallo André, du hast leider Recht! Mit JOSM 'Objekt laden' und der RelationsID bekomme ich in wenigen Sekunden alle Stolpersteine von Hamburg, sofern sie der Relation zugeordnet sind. Mit: wget.exe

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