Re: [Talk-hr] zracna fotografija i pravna pitanja

2010-05-31 Thread nixa
On 05/31/2010 03:49 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote: Uredba o snimanju iz zraka: http://www.nn.hr/clanci/sluzbeno/2003/1592.htm Snimanjem iz zraka smatraju se sva snimanja kod kojih se uređaj za snimanje ne nalazi na zemlji, vodi ili objektima na njima. Pravne i fizičke osobe iz članaka 2. i 6.

Re: [Talk-hr] zracna fotografija i pravna pitanja

2010-05-31 Thread Zoran Jankovic
2010/5/31 nixa nikola.kapralje...@gmail.com On 05/31/2010 03:49 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote: . Komentari? Sugestije? vjerujem da bi kontaktiranjem ureda odgovornog za to pitanje dobio dozvolu bez problema. ne vidim razlog zasto bi se protivili. He, he, vjerujem da nisi imao puno

Re: [Talk-hr] zracna fotografija i pravna pitanja

2010-05-31 Thread Nikola Kapraljevic
On 05/31/2010 08:31 PM, Zoran Jankovic wrote: He, he, vjerujem da nisi imao puno posla s tijelima državne uprave ;-)? Mogu reci da imam i dobra i losa iskustva. Ali dok god ne probas ne znas ;) -- Nikola Kapraljevic +385959115614 skype: nkapralj ___

[talk-ph] SM Supermalls website is using OSM!

2010-05-31 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Specifically, their mall locator[1] links to various pages for each mall and many malls' pages embed a map from openstreetmap.org.ph. Check out SM City Baguio[2] or SM Southmall[3]. How cool is that! :-D Now the trick is to map out all SM Supermalls so that all of their locator pages have OSM

Re: [talk-ph] Cavite Road Network Mapping Party

2010-05-31 Thread maning sambale
Let me know what you need. Mapsource and OSM-PH maps are useful for planning some the exiting routes. On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: I volunteer to be the map coordinator. (Unless there are other people who have more skill in this area; paging the

Re: [talk-ph] tutorial on OSM for newbies

2010-05-31 Thread maning sambale
weekday after office hours is also fine. On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Can we fix a date now? I suggest either June 19 or 26. (Both are Saturdays.) :-) On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 4:34 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: This

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Anthony wrote: I guess the suggestion to map what's on the ground is good advice as long as it's not exclusionary. But my beef is with people who tell us to map what's on the ground to the exclusion of everything that isn't on the ground. Problem is that whatever is not on the ground

[OSM-talk] Fwd: [CrisisMappers] Guatemala

2010-05-31 Thread Jean-Guilhem Cailton
Hi, There is high resolution Yahoo imagery available for the area north-east of the Pacaya volcano, and Guatemala city, and GPS tracks... (By the way, it seems that natural=volcano does not render in Mapnik). Best wishes, Jean-Guilhem Message original Sujet:

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/31 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 31 May 2010 08:56, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: +1, we already map stuff that is not found on the ground but still fits perfectly into our data (e.g. borders). Borders isn't a good example, some/many of these are marked

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 May 2010 18:52, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: so you're suggesting to map borders as single unconnected nodes (some/many of these which are marked on the ground)? Nope, I'm just saying that there is a variety of method to mark borders (or border crossings) on the

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [CrisisMappers] Guatemala

2010-05-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 May 2010 17:07, Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com wrote: (By the way, it seems that natural=volcano does not render in Mapnik). you could cheat: natural=peak volcano=yes ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=footway or highway=track for peds only on gravel

2010-05-31 Thread Claudius
Am 30.05.2010 22:00, Stan Berka: Since I'm using Potlatch to edit the map, I start the tagging of a walking path/road etc. by selecting the presets for the walking man. Then, I select by the surface and permissibility, which for a peds only, gravel, 4ft wide public path ends up as higway=track

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread Liz
On Mon, 31 May 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: Anthony wrote: I guess the suggestion to map what's on the ground is good advice as long as it's not exclusionary. But my beef is with people who tell us to map what's on the ground to the exclusion of everything that isn't on the ground.

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=footway or highway=track for peds only on gravel

2010-05-31 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/31 Claudius claudiu...@gmx.de: highway=track is for ways that are wide enough to be *potentially* used by a 4 wheel vehicle. +1 If it's that wide and has tracks than you should tag it liek that. If legally only pedestrians are allowed add vehicle=no. actually the case which is

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=footway or highway=track for peds only on gravel

2010-05-31 Thread Gilles Bassière
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/5/31 Claudius claudiu...@gmx.de: highway=track is for ways that are wide enough to be *potentially* used by a 4 wheel vehicle. +1 If it's that wide and has tracks than you should tag it liek that. If legally only pedestrians are allowed add vehicle=no.

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=footway or highway=track for peds only ongravel

2010-05-31 Thread John F. Eldredge
You also have the case where vehicular access is limited to official vehicles, such as emergency vehicles and vehicles used to transport materials for maintaining the pathway, but the general public is only allowed to use the path on foot. I know of some hiking trails where this is the case,

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Ad

2010-05-31 Thread Kate Chapman
Hey All, Yesterday Richard Weait and I got an email about an opportunity to put an ad for OSM in a Canadian Business Journal. Unfortunately the turn around was only a couple hours (I'm assuming some advertiser dropped out or something). Anyway we didn't have anything readily available so we

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Ad

2010-05-31 Thread Ken Guest
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: Hey All, Yesterday Richard Weait and I got an email about an opportunity to put an ad for OSM in a Canadian Business Journal.  Unfortunately the turn around was only a couple hours (I'm assuming some advertiser dropped

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread Anthony
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:45 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Anthony wrote: I guess the suggestion to map what's on the ground is good advice as long as it's not exclusionary. But my beef is with people who tell us to map what's on the ground to the exclusion of

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread Andrew
Liz edodd at billiau.net writes: On Mon, 31 May 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: Anthony wrote: I guess the suggestion to map what's on the ground is good advice as long as it's not exclusionary. But my beef is with people who tell us to map what's on the ground to the exclusion of

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread John F. Eldredge
This brings up another question. On the tagging list, there is currently a discussion of whether or not to tag areas that have frequent traffic jams. If something is only verifiable part of the time, such as having traffic jams or being the site of a market on the weekends, does it count as

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/31 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: This brings up another question.  On the tagging list, there is currently a discussion of whether or not to tag areas that have frequent traffic jams.   If something is only verifiable part of the time, such as having traffic jams or being the

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread Anthony
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Andrew wynnd...@lavabit.com wrote: If anything is unclear on the ground the mapper needs to provide a source. That way other mappers can judge whether the source is legitimate. That's a great point. I hate fixing an area of map which is already in place and

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Anthony wrote: By these definitions, something that is able to be confirmed as true or false in an official online source is actually *more* verifiable than something written on a street sign in a place where Google Street View has not yet visited. It certainly is verifiable, and it

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread John F. Eldredge
Well, some people in the traffic-jam discussion seem to be taking the viewpoint that if something is not verifiable by people in other geographical locations, without actually visiting the location under discussion, then it should not be classified as being verifiable at all. -- John F.

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread Anthony
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Anthony wrote: By these definitions, something that is able to be confirmed as true or false in an official online source is actually *more* verifiable than something written on a street sign in a place where

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Something that is available from an official online source but not verifiable on the ground should not - in my personal opinion - be included in OSM. No borders? No national parks? No nature reserves? No voltage on

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 31 May 2010 19:57, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Anthony wrote: By these definitions, something that is able to be confirmed as true or false in an official online source is actually *more* verifiable than something written on a street sign in a place where Google Street View

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread Ian Dees
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.orgwrote: Something that is available from an official online source but not verifiable on the ground should not - in my personal opinion - be included in

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: No borders? No national parks? No nature reserves? No voltage on power lines? No named farms (unless the owner puts up a sign)? No names for peaks? Except for borders, all of those things are verifiable on the ground. I

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread Ian Dees
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: No borders? No national parks? No nature reserves? No voltage on power lines? No named farms (unless the owner puts up a sign)? No names for peaks?

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread Anthony
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: No borders? No national parks? No nature reserves? No voltage on power lines? No

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread Anthony
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: If they are not marked, how do the locals know what and where they are? They look at a map! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread Gustav Foseid
How do, on the ground, you verify the name of a peak? You look at the sign. Talk to the hikers you passed on the way up with your GPS. Just out of curiosity, where do you live and who is putting signs on the peaks there? - Gustav ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Ad

2010-05-31 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 15:13, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: Anyway we didn't have anything readily available so we weren't able to seize the opportunity.  Does any materials like this exist somewhere for OSM?  If not do you think there is a need for it or was this a freak occurrence?

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread Knut Arne Bjørndal
On 31. mai 2010, at 21.13, Ian Dees wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com wrote: How do, on the ground, you verify the name of a peak? You look at the sign. Talk to the hikers you passed on the way up with your GPS. How do you, on the ground, verify a

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread Ian Dees
On May 31, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com wrote: How do, on the ground, you verify the name of a peak? You look at the sign. Talk to the hikers you passed on the way up with your GPS. Just out of curiosity, where do you live and who is putting signs on the peaks

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [CrisisMappers] Guatemala

2010-05-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 May 2010 21:49, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: You should not cheat. Just like they shouldn't have cheated in Haiti with the temporary red cross locations? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread Ian Dees
On May 31, 2010, at 2:31 PM, Knut Arne Bjørndal bob+...@cakebox.net wrote: On 31. mai 2010, at 21.13, Ian Dees wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com wrote: How do, on the ground, you verify the name of a peak? You look at the sign. Talk to the hikers

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 31 May 2010, at 21:31 , Knut Arne Bjørndal wrote: On 31. mai 2010, at 21.13, Ian Dees wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com wrote: How do, on the ground, you verify the name of a peak? You look at the sign. Talk to the hikers you passed on the way up

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Ad

2010-05-31 Thread Richard Weait
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 15:13, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: Anyway we didn't have anything readily available so we weren't able to seize the opportunity.  Does any materials like this exist somewhere for

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: In the US, most of the peaks are marked at the trailhead you use to get to them. I think you will find that most of the peaks in the world are not accessible from trails. Try places like the Himalayas, Greenland, Antarctica,

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Ad

2010-05-31 Thread simon
Still, it was nice that they thought of us. Very nice indeed... Just one thought the print industry tends to work in CMYK (ie. PDF/X-3), so if anyone wants to do an Ad then 'we' should try to make it as easy for the publisher as possible. Simon

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread Anthony
2010/5/31 Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com I don't think anyone has suggested that we leave out things I'd they aren't signposted. Nathan, who started this thread, has done exactly that, and he's gone around removing route relations where the routes were not signed on the ground.

[OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-05-31 Thread John Smith
Hugh Pickens writes The Toronto Star reports that a Utah woman is suing Google for more than $100,000 in damages, claiming its maps function gave her walking directions that led her onto a major highway, where she was struck by a car. Lauren Rosenberg sought directions between two addresses in

Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-05-31 Thread Nakor
On 5/31/2010 4:36 PM, John Smith wrote: Her lawyers claim Google is liable because it did not warn her that the route would not offer a safe place for a pedestrian to walk. Did Google add their notice after the fact? *Walking directions are in beta.* Use caution -- This route may be

Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-05-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Nakor wrote: Did Google add their notice after the fact? I am trying to make it a habit to read articles before I reply to them and have already found it saves me some embarassment. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33

Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-05-31 Thread Nakor
On 5/31/2010 5:29 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Nakor wrote: Did Google add their notice after the fact? I am trying to make it a habit to read articles before I reply to them and have already found it saves me some embarassment. Bye Frederik They claim the warning was not displayed on

Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-05-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 June 2010 07:29, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Nakor wrote: Did Google add their notice after the fact? I am trying to make it a habit to read articles before I reply to them and have already found it saves me some embarassment. In this case it doesn't matter if there

Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-05-31 Thread Anthony
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 5:40 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 1 June 2010 07:29, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Nakor wrote: Did Google add their notice after the fact? I am trying to make it a habit to read articles before I reply to them and have

Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-05-31 Thread Anthony
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 5:40 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 1 June 2010 07:29, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Nakor wrote: Did Google add their notice after the fact? I am trying to make

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-05-31 Thread nicholas . g . lawrence
Another article on the same topic, http://searchengineland.com/woman-follows-google-maps-walking-directions-gets-hit-sues-43212 Kind Regards, Nicholas Lawrence Geographic Information Systems Coordinator | Geospatial Technologies Engineering Technology / Design, Environment

Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-05-31 Thread Tim McNamara
On 1 June 2010 09:23, Nakor nakor@gmail.com wrote: On 5/31/2010 4:36 PM, John Smith wrote: Her lawyers claim Google is liable because it did not warn her that the route would not offer a safe place for a pedestrian to walk. Did Google add their notice after the fact? *Walking

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-05-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 June 2010 09:39, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote: Another article on the same topic, http://searchengineland.com/woman-follows-google-maps-walking-directions-gets-hit-sues-43212 I wonder if she's eligible for an honourable mention from the darwin awards?

Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-05-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 June 2010 09:52, Tim McNamara paperl...@timmcnamara.co.nz wrote: Still, even if they breached the duty of care, the injured woman will still need to establish that the breach was a cause of her injury. The only thing that is new in all this is pedestrian routing, people have been following

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-05-31 Thread John F. Eldredge
I would say that her odds of winning the damages, or, for that matter, of having a court agree to hear the case at all, are pretty low. If you are using a map of any sort, you are still expected to use common sense as well. If a map tells you to drive through a road that turns out to be

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Ad

2010-05-31 Thread john whelan
Is it worth doing a small article on OSM for them? It might be worth pointing out that businesses can be tagged with websites etc. and the tags can be read on line. Cheerio John On 31 May 2010 11:13, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: Hey All, Yesterday Richard Weait and I got an email

[talk-au] Sydney: Random Hacks of Kindness

2010-05-31 Thread Richard Weait
Hi Talk-AU, If you'll be at Random Hacks of Kindness in Sydney on June 05-06, and really, you should be, say Hi to the Crisis Commons visitor from Toronto. http://www.rhok.org/events/rhok-1-0/sydney-australia/ About RHoK Random Hacks of Kindness (RHoK) is all about using technology to make the

Re: [talk-au] Software goes on, brain goes off...

2010-05-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 June 2010 09:39, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote: Another article on the same topic, http://searchengineland.com/woman-follows-google-maps-walking-directions-gets-hit-sues-43212 I wonder if she's eligible for an honourable mention from the darwin awards?

Re: [Talk-de] DE:Aktion 10b : loopings

2010-05-31 Thread Andre Hinrichs
Am Sonntag, den 30.05.2010, 15:59 +0200 schrieb Chris66: Am 30.05.2010 12:59, schrieb bkmap: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Aktionen/Aktion_10b Ich halte soche pauschlen Änderungen ohne Ortskenntnis für nicht besonders konstruktiv. Große Wendeschleifen mit baulicher Trennung

Re: [Talk-de] Fragen zu Oxomoa ÖPNV Schema

2010-05-31 Thread Jochen Topf
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 10:06:30PM +0200, Carsten Gerlach wrote: Am Sonntag 30. Mai 2010 20:21:21 schrieb Tirkon: 355Var1_Hin 355Var1_Rück 355Var2_Hin 355Var2_Rück Wenn ich Oxomoa richtig verstanden habe, werden alle vier Relationen in eine Relation für Linie 355 gepackt. Woher

[Talk-de] mapgen und Geo::Proj4

2010-05-31 Thread hike39
Hallo, ich suche jemanden, der sich mit CPAN auskennt. Ich wollte gestern mit mapgen 1.04 eine neue Karte rendern lassen. Dazu wird aber das Modul Geo::Proj4 benötigt. Daher erhalte ich die Meldung: ... Can't locate loadable object for module Geo::Proj4 in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl

Re: [Talk-de] Geoflags verwendet OSM-Daten

2010-05-31 Thread olvagor
Manuel Reimer schrieb: Nett wäre, wenn das OpenStreetMap im Popup ein Link wäre, der auf www.openstreetmap.org zeigt. Klein drunter könnte etwas dezenter ein Hinweis auf die Lizenz sein. Gibt es überhaupt jemanden, der sich um Einhaltung der Lizenz kümmert? Ich halte es für vergebene

Re: [Talk-de] TMC Points

2010-05-31 Thread Georg Feddern
Moin, Marcus Wolschon schrieb: Die highway=(motorway/...)_link -Straßen und evtl. noch die Nodes an denen diese auf der Autobahn(/Bundesstraße/...) Anfangen oder Enden sollten doch bereits alle Informationen beinhalten. vielleicht ist mein Verständnis vom TMC und von den

Re: [Talk-de] mapgen und Geo::Proj4

2010-05-31 Thread André Riedel
2010/5/31 hike39 ho...@hike.de: Hallo, ich suche jemanden, der sich mit CPAN auskennt. Ich wollte gestern mit mapgen 1.04 eine neue Karte rendern lassen. Dazu wird aber das Modul Geo::Proj4 benötigt. Daher erhalte ich die Meldung: [...] Der Versuch dieses Modul mittels cpan-Kdo zu

Re: [Talk-de] Grenze DE-AT durchlöchert

2010-05-31 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
könnte jemand von den Grenzexperten bitte kurz mal erläutern, welche Operationen die Grenzen zerstören? Mir ist das nicht so ganz klar, habe mich bisher aber auch noch nicht so intensiv mit den Grenzen auseinandergesetzt. Wenn ich einen Way splitte, der einer Grenzrelation angehört, dann werden

Re: [Talk-de] Grenze DE-AT durchlöchert

2010-05-31 Thread Martin Simon
Am 30. Mai 2010 14:00 schrieb Tirkon tirko...@yahoo.de: Zudem hatte ich vor, für einige Weiler, deren Namen sich im täglichen Sprachgebrauch befinden und auch auf Ortseingangsschildern auftauchen, eine nochmalige Unterteilung vorzunehmen. Haben die denn überhaupt administrative Grenzen? (ich

Re: [Talk-de] Zeichen 241 bei baulicher Trennung?

2010-05-31 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 30. Mai 2010 23:21 schrieb Chris66 chris66...@gmx.de: Die interessantere Frage ist, ob man in diesem Fall in OSM einen oder zwei Ways mappen sollte. warum sollte das eine Frage sein? Baulich getrennte Wege werden in OSM per Definition mit einem Way pro Fahrbahn gemappt, also hier natürlich

Re: [Talk-de] Geoflags verwendet OSM-Daten

2010-05-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, olvagor wrote: Von daher würde ich empfehlen: freuen, dass jemand OSM benutzt und auf die neue Lizenz warten. Wobei das ja noch nicht 100% klar ist, ob die neue Lizenz tatsaechlich kommt. Aber ich teile Deine Ansicht. Natuerlich ist es jedem Projektteilnehmer unbenommen, auf eigene

Re: [Talk-de] Grenze DE-AT durchlöchert

2010-05-31 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 31. Mai 2010 10:30 schrieb Martin Simon grenzde...@gmail.com: Haben die denn überhaupt administrative Grenzen? (ich meine nicht die Begrenzung der bebauten Grundstücke) Wenn nicht, würde ich davon absehen, eine gefühlte Grenze dafür einzubauen. gefühlte Grenzen als Place-polygon bzw. mit

Re: [Talk-de] Nichtraucher-Karte - Tagging

2010-05-31 Thread Manuel Reimer
Sven Geggus wrote: Raucher sterben früher und belasten das Gesundheissystem weniger. Mag sein. Allerdings zweifle ich an, dass der Großteil der Raucher einfach spontan früher stirbt. Eher kommen da erstmal Erkrankungen wie Lungenkrebs, die das Gesundheitssystem dann wieder belasten.

Re: [Talk-de] Blitz-Säule

2010-05-31 Thread Joerg Fischer
Johannes Huesing wrote: Spricht eigentlich was dagegen, ein paar mehr einzutragen als man sieht? Nö, wir haben ja bisher relativ wenig Probleme mit Vandalismus, dann fängst Du halt mal damit an. Kopfschüttelnde Grüße, Jörg -- There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who

Re: [Talk-de] TMC Points

2010-05-31 Thread fly
Am 30.05.2010 08:26, schrieb Marcus Wolschon: 2010/5/28 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: Brauchen wir jetzt also jeweils die Wege zwischen der ersten abfahrt und der letzten Auffahrt und zusätzlich die Auf/Abfahrten mit Rolle link ? Welche Rolle link und als Rolle in welcher Relation?

Re: [Talk-de] Grenze DE-AT durchlöchert

2010-05-31 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:20:20AM +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: könnte jemand von den Grenzexperten bitte kurz mal erläutern, welche Operationen die Grenzen zerstören? Mir ist das nicht so ganz klar, habe mich bisher aber auch noch nicht so intensiv mit den Grenzen auseinandergesetzt.

Re: [Talk-de] Blitz-Säule

2010-05-31 Thread fly
Am 31.05.2010 11:35, schrieb Joerg Fischer: Johannes Huesing wrote: Spricht eigentlich was dagegen, ein paar mehr einzutragen als man sieht? Nö, wir haben ja bisher relativ wenig Probleme mit Vandalismus, dann fängst Du halt mal damit an. +1 wobei ich diesen tag bewußt nicht verwende und

[Talk-de] OSM-Buch: Dritte Auflage ist draussen!

2010-05-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, ab sofort kann man die dritte Auflage von unserem OSM-Buch kaufen. Sie hat nochmal 32 Seiten mehr als die zweite (384 Seiten) und ist natuerlich komplett ueberarbeitet und aktualisiert. Der Preis ist gleich geblieben (29,95 Euro). Details hier:

Re: [Talk-de] Blitz-Säule

2010-05-31 Thread Peter Körner
fly schrieb: wobei ich diesen tag bewußt nicht verwende und sowas gar nicht anfasse. Grundsätzlich sind Geschwindigkeitsbeschränkung in Deutschland meist gut begründet (Gefahrenbereiche, Lärmschutz/Anwohnerschutz ...) und somit sinnvoll und wer zu schnell fährt soll das rühig spüren. Nun ich

Re: [Talk-de] Nichtraucher-Karte - Tagging

2010-05-31 Thread Sven Geggus
Manuel Reimer manuel.s...@nurfuerspam.de wrote: Mag sein. Allerdings zweifle ich an, dass der Großteil der Raucher einfach spontan früher stirbt. Eher kommen da erstmal Erkrankungen wie Lungenkrebs, die das Gesundheitssystem dann wieder belasten. Dass Raucher die Allgemeinheit unterm Strich

Re: [Talk-de] Grenze DE-AT durchlöchert

2010-05-31 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Am 31.05.2010 12:20, schrieb Florian Lohoff: Way splitten ohne alle relationen geladen zu haben die zu dem way gehoeren. Damit wird der way gesplittet und nur der way mit der original id ist weiterhin in der relation - Der neu entstandene aber nicht. Damit hat die Grenze eine Luecke. Wie

Re: [Talk-de] Grenze DE-AT durchlöchert

2010-05-31 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 01:07:02PM +0200, Dirk-Lüder Kreie wrote: Wie kann das sein? die API liefert doch im MAP call defaultmäßig alle Relationen die den way enthalten mit? Jaha- Einen weg laden oder einen node - Dann relation oeffnen - Download all members - und dann einen der members

[Talk-de] motorway und motorway_link um desti nation-tag ergänzen

2010-05-31 Thread steffterra
Hallo liebe talk-de-comunity ich bin relativ neu bei OSM (1 Jahr), und lese talk-de regelmäßig seit ca. 8 Wochen. Nun möchte ich einen Vorschlag machen, der das Autobahnrouting und damit die Nutzung von OSM-Navi's wesentlich natürlicher gestalten könnte. Wenn z.b. neben ref=A 7 noch der Tag

Re: [Talk-de] motorway und motorway_link um desti nation-tag ergänzen

2010-05-31 Thread Chris66
Am 31.05.2010 13:18, schrieb steffterra: ich bin relativ neu bei OSM (1 Jahr), und lese talk-de regelmäßig seit ca. 8 Wochen. Nun möchte ich einen Vorschlag machen, der das Autobahnrouting und damit die Nutzung von OSM-Navi's wesentlich natürlicher gestalten könnte. +1 einige Autobahnkreuze

Re: [Talk-de] DE:Aktion 10b : loopings

2010-05-31 Thread Chris66
Am 31.05.2010 08:28, schrieb Andre Hinrichs: Wäre es nicht sinnvoll, wenn man für kleine Wendeschleifen mit baulicher Trennung highway=turning_circle auch für ways zuließe? Evtl. auch (um die Semikolonform zu vermeiden) turning_circle=yes und highway=* ? Für Renderer würde das unter anderem

Re: [Talk-de] OSM-Buch: Dritte Auflage ist draussen!

2010-05-31 Thread bkmap
Hallo, Frederik Ramm schrieb: Die Lehmanns-Filialen werden das Buch im Laufe der Woche erhalten. Der sonstige Online-Buchhandel wird vermutlich ab naechster Woche liefern koennen. Lehmanns in berlin hat schon am Freitag geliefert :-)

Re: [Talk-de] Blitz-Säule

2010-05-31 Thread Florian Gross
Joerg Fischer glaubte zu wissen: Johannes Huesing wrote: Spricht eigentlich was dagegen, ein paar mehr einzutragen als man sieht? Nö, wir haben ja bisher relativ wenig Probleme mit Vandalismus, dann fängst Du halt mal damit an. +1 Mir gefallen die Raser auch nicht, aber sowas ist der

Re: [Talk-de] Blitz-Säule

2010-05-31 Thread Florian Gross
Peter Körner glaubte zu wissen: fly schrieb: wobei ich diesen tag bewußt nicht verwende und sowas gar nicht anfasse. Grundsätzlich sind Geschwindigkeitsbeschränkung in Deutschland meist gut begründet (Gefahrenbereiche, Lärmschutz/Anwohnerschutz ...) und somit sinnvoll und wer zu schnell

Re: [Talk-de] Grenze DE-AT durchlöchert

2010-05-31 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Am 31.05.2010 13:17, schrieb Florian Lohoff: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 01:07:02PM +0200, Dirk-Lüder Kreie wrote: Wie kann das sein? die API liefert doch im MAP call defaultmäßig alle Relationen die den way enthalten mit? Jaha- Einen weg laden oder einen node - Dann relation oeffnen - Download

Re: [Talk-de] Nichtraucher-Karte - Tagging

2010-05-31 Thread Florian Gross
Manuel Reimer glaubte zu wissen: Sven Geggus wrote: Raucher sterben früher und belasten das Gesundheissystem weniger. Mag sein. Allerdings zweifle ich an, dass der Großteil der Raucher einfach spontan früher stirbt. Eher kommen da erstmal Erkrankungen wie Lungenkrebs, die das

Re: [Talk-de] Geoflags verwendet OSM-Daten

2010-05-31 Thread Alexander Matheisen
Am Sonntag, den 30.05.2010, 23:00 +0200 schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hallo, Manuel Reimer wrote: Wo steht denn, dass man alles, was man auf der Openstreetmap anzeigt auch wieder unter CC-BY-SA gesetzt werden muss? Das ist nicht der Fall. Aber wenn Du ein Interface anbietest, mit dem Leute

Re: [Talk-de] Geoflags verwendet OSM-Daten

2010-05-31 Thread Alexander Matheisen
Hallo, Solang wir eine Lizenz haben, die den Leuten Vorschriften macht, sollten wir uns m.E. damit zufriedengeben, dass die Leute die Lizenz einhalten, anstatt selbst dann noch nach einer Gegenleistung zu fragen! Wie man sieht, es es ja schwierig genug, die Lizenz einzuhalten; ich finde,

Re: [Talk-de] motorway und motorway_link um desti nation-tag ergänzen

2010-05-31 Thread steffterra
Am 31.05.2010 um 13:25 schrieb Chris66: Am 31.05.2010 13:18, schrieb steffterra: ich bin relativ neu bei OSM (1 Jahr), und lese talk-de regelmäßig seit ca. 8 Wochen. Nun möchte ich einen Vorschlag machen, der das Autobahnrouting und damit die Nutzung von OSM-Navi's wesentlich natürlicher

Re: [Talk-de] OSM-Buch: Dritte Auflage ist draussen!

2010-05-31 Thread Sven Geggus
Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Details hier: http://www.openstreetmap.info/de/news/2010-05-31-neue-auflage.html Hm, heiteres Städteraten mit OSM Buchtiteln :) http://www.openstreetmap.info/img/auflage1-cover-large.png http://www.openstreetmap.info/img/auflage2-cover-large.png

Re: [Talk-de] Grenze DE-AT durchlöchert

2010-05-31 Thread fly
Am 29.05.2010 20:20, schrieb Matthias Versen: Andreas Labres wrote: Ich würde um mehr Sorgfalt bitten, wenn man insbesondere internationale Grenz-Ways zerteilt! Das betrifft alle Grenzways, der Schaden wir nur größer je höherwertiger die Grenze ist. Diese

[Talk-de] Sammlung von Kartendarstellungen

2010-05-31 Thread Sven Eppler
Hallo alle, gibts eigentlich irgendwo ne Übersicht über die mittlerweile doch recht vielzähligen Eigenkreationen was die Kartenstile/Renderings angeht? Hin und wieder stolpert man in den News über tolle Karten mit z.B. höhenlinien, entsprechendem Shading, etc. pp. Wenn man das dann aber mal

Re: [Talk-de] Sammlung von Kartendarstellungen

2010-05-31 Thread Fabian
Hatte neulich eine aehnliche Idee. Nach dem Prinzip eine fuer alle Durch anklicken in der hauptkarte und gesetzter auswahl die orte in neuem fenster mit ausgewaehlter karte anzuzeigen. Uebergabe parameter waeren immer die gps koordinaten. ISt ja mitunter doch recht muehsehlig immer x bookmrks fuer

Re: [Talk-de] Sammlung von Kartendarstellungen

2010-05-31 Thread Sven Geggus
Sven Eppler s...@sveneppler.de wrote: gibts eigentlich irgendwo ne Übersicht über die mittlerweile doch recht vielzähligen Eigenkreationen was die Kartenstile/Renderings angeht? Das Schaufenster auf openstreetmap.de fällt mir ein. Gruss Sven -- Why are there so many Unix-haters-handbooks

Re: [Talk-de] Fragen zu Oxomoa ÖPNV Schema

2010-05-31 Thread Alexander Matheisen
Hallo, ich habe auch noch eine Frage zum ÖPNV-Schema: aus der Wikiseite geht nicht so ganz hervor, in welcher Reihenfolge man die Wege, Haltestellen und Haltepositionen ordnen soll, da man die Wege nicht an den Haltestellen aufsplitten soll. Ich habe es erstmal so gemacht: -alle Wege in ihrer

Re: [Talk-de] Sammlung von Kartendarstellungen

2010-05-31 Thread malenki
Fabian schrieb: Hatte neulich eine aehnliche Idee. Nach dem Prinzip eine fuer alle Durch anklicken in der hauptkarte und gesetzter auswahl die orte in neuem fenster mit ausgewaehlter karte anzuzeigen. Uebergabe parameter waeren immer die gps koordinaten. ISt ja mitunter doch recht muehsehlig

Re: [Talk-de] Sammlung von Kartendarstellungen

2010-05-31 Thread Sven Geggus
Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de wrote: Das Schaufenster auf openstreetmap.de fällt mir ein. Nachdem ich das schon geschrieben hatte ist mir auch noch die Wikipedia Geohack Seite eingefallen. dort kann man ebenfalls weitere OSM karten eintragen. Ein Beispiel:

Re: [Talk-de] Sammlung von Kartendarstellungen

2010-05-31 Thread Peter Körner
Sven Eppler schrieb: gibts eigentlich irgendwo ne Übersicht über die mittlerweile doch recht vielzähligen Eigenkreationen was die Kartenstile/Renderings angeht? Alle Styles die der Wikimedia Toolserver rendert, sind hier eingetragen: http://toolserver.org/~osm/styles/ Lg, Peter

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