Re: [OSM-talk] [possibly OT] Apples IOS 6 Maps and the response

2012-09-21 Thread Lester Caine
pavithran wrote: The new map replacement from apple in its IOS has drawn a lot of criticism . Just to correct the link ... http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/sep/20/apple-maps-ios6-station-tower and another read http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2012/sep/20/apple-google-maps-heada

[OSM-talk] Any OSM social activities in Europe in the next 2 weeks?

2012-09-21 Thread Toby Murray
I'm about to leave for a 2 week trip to Europe and wondered if there were any local OSM gatherings I could drop in on. Our time isn't precisely planned out but here are the highlights. Obviously the arrival/departure dates are fixed. The other ones are subject to change. Budapest: Arriving here on

Re: [OSM-talk] [possibly OT] Apples IOS 6 Maps and the response

2012-09-21 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
Some examples of the curiosities in ios6 maps: http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/ Greets, Floris On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:26 AM, Toby Murray wrote: > On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 1:39 PM, pavithran wrote: > > The new map replacement from apple in its IOS has drawn a lot of > criticism . > > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/9/20 Lester Caine : > My own interest here is more historic than current and I was looking for the > development of areas relating to my family tree, but there seems to be a > general consensus that once an object ceases to exist it should be deleted > from the database. there is not this ge

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-21 Thread Lester Caine
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: My own interest here is more historic than current and I was looking for the >development of areas relating to my family tree, but there seems to be a >general consensus that once an object ceases to exist it should be deleted >from the database. there is not this gen

Re: [OSM-talk] [possibly OT] Apples IOS 6 Maps and the response

2012-09-21 Thread Mike N
On 9/21/2012 3:12 AM, Lester Caine wrote: Begs the question - are any of the OSM routing options iPhone friendly? GPS Nav/2 from Skobbler ($): Can do offline routing OpenTripPlanner for transit on the iPhone - I'm guessing about 2 months yet until a release http://www.kickstarter.com/projec

Re: [OSM-talk] [possibly OT] Apples IOS 6 Maps and the response

2012-09-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/9/20 pavithran : > Having said that How much is it OSM data? That's a question I am also interested in. When the first preview of their maps became available it looked very much like OSM data to me in my area. The forests were taken from OSM, no doubt (same shape and coverage only where ther

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines & OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-21 Thread Simon Poole
Am 20.09.2012 22:38, schrieb Christian Rogel: So, as we have a DWG a making tremendous efforts for maintaining a good policy for the data (including the boring chase of proprietary ones), it may happen and it will happen more and more that a projected decision exceed the field of the data po

Re: [OSM-talk] Any OSM social activities in Europe in the next 2 weeks?

2012-09-21 Thread Michael Kugelmann
Hello Toby, I'm about to leave for a 2 week trip to Europe and wondered if there were any local OSM gatherings I could drop in on. the only general hint that I can provide is to have a look at the calender in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Calendar A lot of regular

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines & OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-21 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Simon Poole wrote: > I believe one of the issues here is the categorization of the separate > account requirement as political, when I suspect most would see it as a > purely administrative/technical matter and the textual change as a > clarification of existing

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-21 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
On jeudi 20 septembre 2012, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, Hi, > If the negative effects however affect other/different people - perhaps > because they are using the API outside of specifications, or causing > more work for people elsewhere in the project - then they can't. I can only fully agree

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-21 Thread Michael Kugelmann
Am 20.09.2012 13:43, schrieb sly (sylvain letuffe): which isolated processes ? You are the guy that requests that the French community is doing things different than the rest of the OSM-word. So you must answer your question by yourself... Best regards, Michael. ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-21 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
On jeudi 20 septembre 2012, Lester Caine wrote: > sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: > >> The 'mechanisms' that we use MUST be managed centrally, > > What are you talking about ? What "mechanisms" are you refering to ? > > Simply the methods by which data is added to the database. There are several meth

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 09/21/12 14:12, sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: No problems, let's discuss. But while we do talk about a future rule, the previous one should (I mean "must") still apply until the new one is ready to replace it. This is not about "one rule". This is about the whole question of rules and a

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-21 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > As long as DWG have to clean > up the mess they will make the rules governing imports and mechanical edits. > Exceptions from the rules can be negotiated with DWG in advance if someone > thinks they really need one. Thanks Frederik for this

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-21 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 20 September 2012 08:02, Greg Troxel wrote: > I'm mostly a lurker in these discussions, and generally more pro-import > than many who participate in import decisions. But I find the 'separate > account for import' to be an utterly reasonable (along with the rest of > the guidlines), easy to fo

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-21 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
On vendredi 21 septembre 2012, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, Hi again, > This is not about "one rule". This is about the whole question of rules > and authority. No problems, let's also talk about rules and authority. But we (french community) are facing one problem right now, not "problems", on

Re: [OSM-talk] [possibly OT] Apples IOS 6 Maps and the response

2012-09-21 Thread pavithran
On 21 September 2012 16:09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Does this mean that all of those maps are now under OdbL? (At least, > if they use up to date data only available under ODbL?) That raises some interesting questions because ODBL planet was available only recently , Did apple wait till last

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-21 Thread SomeoneElse
sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/248 because that poor guy doesn't read english, was following what we've always done. Hang on - they've been editing since 5th September, it's just over two weeks later; their changeset 13180810 contains 21976 nodes and the

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-21 Thread Pierre Béland
2012-09-20 Frederik Ramm > However, every once in a while DWG gets a complaint about a particular user making lots of edits that are questionable. > Not outright vandalism or edit warring, but something exotic enough to make other mappers in the area uneasy. > The other mappers watch the user

Re: [OSM-talk] [possibly OT] Apples IOS 6 Maps and the response

2012-09-21 Thread Richard Weait
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 11:03 AM, pavithran wrote: > That raises some interesting questions because ODBL planet was > available only recently , Did apple wait till last minute to get them > ? Or are they mixing the old planet(CC by SA) with new datasets(ODBL) They'll never say. They're a closed

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-21 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
On vendredi 21 septembre 2012, SomeoneElse wrote: > sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/248 because that poor guy > > doesn't read english, was following what we've always done. > Surely they're exactly the sort of person who needs to be told "whoa > horsey

Re: [OSM-talk] [possibly OT] Apples IOS 6 Maps and the response

2012-09-21 Thread Bráulio
Question: I don't have iOS6 here. Is the map data the same as shown on http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/ ? (Choose "Apple iPhoto" on the combobox) On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Richard Weait wrote: > On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 11:03 AM, pavithran wrote: > > > That raises some interesting questions

[OSM-talk] Improved coastline view in OSM Inspector

2012-09-21 Thread Jochen Topf
I have just added a change to the OSM Inspector which now shows even more potential coastline errors in the new "Questionable" category. Questionable shows coastline rings with possible problems. There are several different kinds of problems that are shown in this way: a) Coastline rings that touc

Re: [OSM-talk] Improved coastline view in OSM Inspector

2012-09-21 Thread Pierre Béland
2010-09-21 Jochen Topf >  I have just added a change to the OSM Inspector which now shows even more >  potential coastline errors in the new "Questionable" category. Jochen, it is a nice addition. Looking at the map, I see all of America coastline being tagged with Invalid geometry. Invalid

Re: [OSM-talk] Improved coastline view in OSM Inspector

2012-09-21 Thread Jochen Topf
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 08:50:03PM +0100, Pierre Béland wrote: > 2010-09-21 Jochen Topf > >  I have just added a change to the OSM Inspector which now shows even more > >  potential coastline errors in the new "Questionable" category. > > Jochen, it is a nice addition. > > > Looking at the map,

Re: [OSM-talk] Improved coastline view in OSM Inspector

2012-09-21 Thread Pierre Béland
2012-09-21 Jochen Topf pb>> Invalid geometry definition : Invalid for some unspecified reasons. This is never supposed to happen and must be fixed. pb>> This definition is ambiguous to me. Do you mean that we should not see this error or that we have to fix something.   > This is described a

Re: [OSM-talk] Improved coastline view in OSM Inspector

2012-09-21 Thread Richard Weait
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Jochen Topf wrote: > I have just added a change to the OSM Inspector which now shows even more > potential coastline errors in the new "Questionable" category. Very nice. Thank you for this. The questionable category is pointing out some reversed coastline ways

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-21 Thread Lester Caine
andrzej zaborowski wrote: Well, this time a single import account has been registered per province with a single person coordinating the (potential) imports in each province. The assignments have been documented on the wiki. This is better but the account names are still not directly linked wit

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-21 Thread Paul Norman
> From: sly (sylvain letuffe) [mailto:li...@letuffe.org] > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 7:41 AM > To: talk@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update > > On vendredi 21 septembre 2012, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Hi, > > Hi again, > > > This is not about "one

[OSM-talk] Schedule for State Of The Map US is live

2012-09-21 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi all, The schedule for State Of The Map US, Portland OR, Oct 13-14 is live now on the web site! http://stateofthemap.us/ It is going to be a jam packed couple of days with tracks covering Switching to OSM, Cartography, Editors, Communities and pretty much everything in between. So if you were wa

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-21 Thread Pierre Béland
2012-09-21 Lester Caine << What I have been asking is how we can manage on-going imports of a dataset that is being updated regularly. This is probably on 'off-line' function, and could well be managed by the 'local chapter' on their own computers. This is the 'process' I'm looking to be develop

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Schedule for State Of The Map US is live

2012-09-21 Thread Toby Murray
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > Hi all, > > The schedule for State Of The Map US, Portland OR, Oct 13-14 is live > now on the web site! > http://stateofthemap.us/ > It is going to be a jam packed couple of days with tracks covering > Switching to OSM, Cartography, Editor

Re: [OSM-talk] [possibly OT] Apples IOS 6 Maps and the response

2012-09-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/9/21 Bráulio : > Question: I don't have iOS6 here. Is the map data the same as shown on > http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/ ? (Choose "Apple iPhoto" on the combobox) no, it is different. In the meantime I could take a look and there doesn't seem to be OSM data in this map, at least from the copy

Re: [OSM-talk] [possibly OT] Apples IOS 6 Maps and the response

2012-09-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2012-09-22 at 01:10 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2012/9/21 Bráulio : > > Question: I don't have iOS6 here. Is the map data the same as shown on > > http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/ ? (Choose "Apple iPhoto" on the combobox) > > > no, it is different. In the meantime I could take a look

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-21 Thread Paul Norman
> From: Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk] > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update > > who last edited an object! ). Where the import HAS nice unique object > identifiers things are a lot easier, but raw vector data like the French > import, and I think the Spanish data y

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-21 Thread Lester Caine
Paul Norman wrote: From: Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk] Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update who last edited an object! ). Where the import HAS nice unique object identifiers things are a lot easier, but raw vector data like the French import, and I think the Spani