Re: [OSM-talk] OSM France "BANO" project... openaddresses in France

On 16/05/2014 12:36, Simon Poole wrote: It is likely that the LWG will be providing a clarification on the matter at hand soon (Paul has been doing some work on this over the last couple of weeks). We are now putting the finishing touches to that and I hope that I'll be able to release it within

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM France "BANO" project... openaddresses in France

On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 1:21 PM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: > That's not true and it has been clarified by the LWG even before the > license change process ended. You comply with the CTs if the data you > upload is compatible with the current license (ODbL) and otherwise you > accept that what yo

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM France "BANO" project... openaddresses in France

On 16/05/2014 13:24, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: The Contributor Terms especially does not require agreement with the terms of "one or more of the following licences: ODbL 1.0 for the database and DbCL 1.0 for the individual contents of the database; CC-BY-SA 2.0; or such other free and open licen

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM France "BANO" project... openaddresses in France

On 16/05/2014 13:02, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: the option to change the license into some other free and open license is current, it is not in the future Yes indeed - agreement with the eventuality of a re-licensing process is what section 3. of the Contributor Terms amounts to. But nowhere

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM France "BANO" project... openaddresses in France

On 16 May 2014 12:03, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > So basically you can only import data that is compatible with ODbL and/or > cc-by-sa 2.0 and which can later be relicensed. According to the CTs it > would seem as if you could also contribute cc-by-sa 2.0-only data, which is > in my understanding

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM France "BANO" project... openaddresses in France

Jean-Marc Liotier schrieb: > Could you please elaborate a bit about why you think that the data > produced by the project "will not be mapped in a clean manner" ? My assumption is, that for data mapped by me could be relicenced with the 2/3 majority even if I'm allready dead. This assumption wou

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM France "BANO" project... openaddresses in France

2014-05-16 12:44 GMT+02:00 Jean-Marc Liotier : > While of course the contributor terms are governed by English law, I would > like to cite Article 2 of the French Code Civil: "Legislation provides only > for the future; it has no retrospective operation". It was written since > 1803 and still appl

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM France "BANO" project... openaddresses in France

On 16/05/2014 12:32, Peter Barth wrote: And not only that: As noted earlier, you're importing data that will not be mapped in a clean manner again, as the data is allready there due to the dubious import. Could you please elaborate a bit about why you think that the data produced by the projec

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM France "BANO" project... openaddresses in France

On 16/05/2014 12:03, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2014-05-16 11:42 GMT+02:00 Jean-Marc Liotier >: As it stands now, there is nothing that prevents anyone from contributing ODbL-licensed data into an ODbL-licensed database. I agree with Peter here, there is so

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM France "BANO" project... openaddresses in France

It is likely that the LWG will be providing a clarification on the matter at hand soon (Paul has been doing some work on this over the last couple of weeks). It should be further noted that any ODbL licensed data that somebody wants included in OSM would have to go through the same process as any

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM France "BANO" project... openaddresses in France

Hi, Jean-Marc Liotier schrieb: > But this horse has been beaten to death already - GPL vs. BSD redux > all over again... You are making it a question of licences, too. If you insist to compare it to software, you'd have to compare it with the "Contributor License Agreement" (CLA¹) as required

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM France "BANO" project... openaddresses in France

2014-05-16 11:42 GMT+02:00 Jean-Marc Liotier : > As it stands now, there is nothing that prevents anyone from contributing > ODbL-licensed data into an ODbL-licensed database. I agree with Peter here, there is something that can make you think twice about importing ODbL licensed data: the CTs.

Re: [OSM-talk] Nik4: mapnik → image

> Ilya, a big thank you! This looks convenient and promising, am > waiting now for the second output, the first one, created like this: > nik4.py -b 5.8 35.5 19 48.1 --ppi 300 --size-px 28108 36000 > osm-render.xml italiabig300dpi.png > didn't work like expected (I got a tiny map in the upper left

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM France "BANO" project... openaddresses in France

On 16/05/2014 11:03, Simon Poole wrote: Somehow I suspect that the proponents of "screw the future" (aka lets tie the hands of every future OSM contributor) simply don't have enough imagination. [..] That is one way to look at it. Others might rather see it as preventing our community assets b

Re: [OSM-talk] Nik4: mapnik → image

Ilya, a big thank you! This looks convenient and promising, am waiting now for the second output, the first one, created like this: nik4.py -b 5.8 35.5 19 48.1 --ppi 300 --size-px 28108 36000 osm-render.xml italiabig300dpi.png didn't work like expected (I got a tiny map in the upper left corner and

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM France "BANO" project... openaddresses in France

Somehow I suspect that the proponents of "screw the future" (aka lets tie the hands of every future OSM contributor) simply don't have enough imagination. For me it is a distinct possibility that in 10 years from now Nokia/here and Tomtom will be long gone, and only google and OSM will still be p

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM France "BANO" project... openaddresses in France

I agree that it's unlikely to drop the share-alike clause in future. But nevertheless there may be another license, and this has to be possible even for imports. In fact, third data sources must agree to be published under ODBL (as that's the current license) and the owner has in fact to agree wit

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM France "BANO" project... openaddresses in France

On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 7:57 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > We are not going to comply with hypothetical licenses that may or may > not appear in the future. +1 We already get feedbacks from contributors refusing to change the "share-alike" condition. And I cannot imagine that OSM will forbid ex