Re: [OSM-talk] Automated edits code of conduct

2016-07-11 Thread tuxayo
On 10/07/2016 23:56, Christoph Hormann wrote: > Remember OSM is largely a do-ocracy - those who put work into developing > the rules have a significant influence on their content. This does not > make them illegitimate. The questions is how legitimate are they. To know if we can enforce them

Re: [OSM-talk] Open Location Code should we support it?

2016-07-11 Thread john whelan
>I'm saying that OLC is just one of many methods, and it is simply a conversion of the already stored latitude and longitude. The interface tools are the only element that needs to support any of these conversions. Nothing needs to be stored in the database. Agreed but you do need to be able to se

Re: [OSM-talk] Open Location Code should we support it?

2016-07-11 Thread Lester Caine
On 11/07/16 20:58, john whelan wrote: > In Canada suite 201 would be understood to be 2nd floor suite 1 of the > building. Where did the name of the building come into it? Sub-building element of any addressing scheme. BUT OLC specifically excludes adding something like that ... unless they have

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2016-07-11 Thread Dave F
On 11/07/2016 16:55, john whelan wrote: How would we make use of it? We won't. This system isn't relative. There's no way of knowing the address of the adjacent blocks. I doesn't work in the real world. Even antiquated UK postcodes have rough relativity. Let's face it, it's a joke. Dave

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM usage violation

2016-07-11 Thread Hans De Kryger
Thanks Frederick! On Jul 11, 2016 2:19 PM, "Frederik Ramm" wrote: > Hans, > > On 07/11/2016 11:03 PM, Hans De Kryger wrote: > > Not satisfied with that answer. The dude didn't get it. > > Well you could have made it clearer ;) his license text is wrong, > mentions CC-BY-SA when the data is clea

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Automated edits code of conduct

2016-07-11 Thread Warin
On 7/11/2016 11:45 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Il giorno 11 lug 2016, alle ore 14:01, Éric Gillet ha scritto: I agree that survey are that on-premise survey is the best review method. But then you are adressing armchair mapping as a whole and not specifically search-a

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM usage violation

2016-07-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hans, On 07/11/2016 11:03 PM, Hans De Kryger wrote: > Not satisfied with that answer. The dude didn't get it. Well you could have made it clearer ;) his license text is wrong, mentions CC-BY-SA when the data is clearly ODbL. I'd suggest something like: "Dear X, I am a member of the OpenStreetM

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM usage violation

2016-07-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 11 lug 2016, alle ore 23:03, Hans De Kryger > ha scritto: > > thank you for reaching out. All Acknowledgement are in both the App and the > Web version in Settings\About\Acknowledgement. > > ___ > > Not satisfied with that answer. The

[OSM-talk] OSM usage violation

2016-07-11 Thread Hans De Kryger
Hi all, Just sent this email out last night to i...@cyclemapapp.com ___ Hi there, Your app (1) & website (2) fail to give attribution to OSM (OpenStreetMap). Proper attribution (3) 1.) http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cyclemapapp.cma

Re: [OSM-talk] Open Location Code should we support it?

2016-07-11 Thread john whelan
In Canada suite 201 would be understood to be 2nd floor suite 1 of the building. Where did the name of the building come into it? Do you have a suggestion for Africa that is less than a very long string of latitude and longitude remembering that any encoding system would need to be understood by

Re: [OSM-talk] Open Location Code should we support it?

2016-07-11 Thread Lester Caine
On 11/07/16 19:43, john whelan wrote: > True but suite 201 followed by the location code should do the trick. I > was thinking not so much of sending mail in the UK so much as providing > something fairly basic to countries in Africa etc. and even in the UK I > would at least provide a location.

Re: [OSM-talk] Open Location Code should we support it?

2016-07-11 Thread Lester Caine
On 11/07/16 18:12, john whelan wrote: > I would basically give everyone an address in the world, its Open source > and as far as complexity goes the UK uses what is called precise or the > street number plus postcode which often is 9 characters and digits to > uniquely identify an address so using

[OSM-talk] Open Location Code should we support it?

2016-07-11 Thread john whelan
http://openlocationcode.com/ I was thinking if it's not a major problem the full 10 character code should be easy to support in Nomination as it is based on longitude and latitude. I would basically give everyone an address in the world, its Open source and as far as complexity goes the UK uses w

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2016-07-11 Thread Ian Dees
Indeed. But it was from 2015. Why is it coming up again 6 months later? On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Nicolás Alvarez wrote: > 2016-07-11 12:30 GMT-03:00 Ian Dees : > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Blake Girardot > wrote: > >> > >> On a slightly more serious note: > >> > >> There are oth

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2016-07-11 Thread john whelan
My preference would be the open source solution. The three words one assumes you will recognise the words and many locations use postcodes already these aren't much different. How would we make use of it? Thanks John On 11 July 2016 at 11:23, Blake Girardot wrote: > On a slightly more serious

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2016-07-11 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
2016-07-11 12:30 GMT-03:00 Ian Dees : > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Blake Girardot wrote: >> >> On a slightly more serious note: >> >> There are other solutions to the issue of lack of addresses in large >> parts of the world. >> >> Google has put forth a solution that tries to address most o

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2016-07-11 Thread Ian Dees
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Blake Girardot wrote: > On a slightly more serious note: > > There are other solutions to the issue of lack of addresses in large > parts of the world. > > Google has put forth a solution that tries to address most of the w3w > issues. It is open source, works off

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2016-07-11 Thread Blake Girardot
On a slightly more serious note: There are other solutions to the issue of lack of addresses in large parts of the world. Google has put forth a solution that tries to address most of the w3w issues. It is open source, works off line, non-propriety, usable for printed maps among other issues they

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2016-07-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 11 lug 2016, alle ore 16:44, Iván Sánchez Ortega > ha scritto: > > Ahem. > > www.what3fucks.com WTF, that's brillant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2016-07-11 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Lunes 11. julio 2016 16.37.03 Martin Koppenhoefer escribió: > Steve Doerr ha scritto: > > Just came across this story: > > http://qz.com/705273/mongolia-is-changing-all-its-addresses-to-three-word > > -phrases/ > maybe you're also interested in this Twitter account: > https://mobile.twitter.co

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2016-07-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 11 lug 2016, alle ore 16:29, Steve Doerr > ha scritto: > > Just came across this story: > http://qz.com/705273/mongolia-is-changing-all-its-addresses-to-three-word-phrases/ maybe you're also interested in this Twitter account: https://mobile.twitter.com/what3

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2016-07-11 Thread Steve Doerr
Just came across this story: http://qz.com/705273/mongolia-is-changing-all-its-addresses-to-three-word-phrases/ -- Steve --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ talk mailing list t

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Automated edits code of conduct

2016-07-11 Thread john whelan
>yes, armchair mapping generally bears the risk of misinterpreting the actual situation, (depending on what kind of tags you use this can be more or less important). Doing it in search and replace fashion is slightly different though, as you risk falsifying information someone else has meticulousl

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Automated edits code of conduct

2016-07-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 11 lug 2016, alle ore 14:01, Éric Gillet > ha scritto: > > I agree that survey are that on-premise survey is the best review method. But > then you are adressing armchair mapping as a whole and not specifically > search-and-replace edits. yes, armchair mappin

Re: [OSM-talk] Automated edits code of conduct

2016-07-11 Thread Greg Troxel
[replying to the thread in general] I tend to be nervous about groups that are structurally like the DWG. However, when I look at what they've done over the years I've been involved, and the notion of the automated edits code, I have to say the DWG has seemed 100% reasonable and if anything sligh

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Automated edits code of conduct

2016-07-11 Thread Éric Gillet
2016-07-11 2:16 GMT+02:00 Frederik Ramm : > On 07/11/2016 02:02 AM, Éric Gillet wrote: > > If you do a search-and-replace on 20 elements and review manually the > > change, it is covered under the AE CoC. > > No, the document clearly states in the "Scope" section: > > "use of find-and-replace func

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Automated edits code of conduct

2016-07-11 Thread Éric Gillet
2016-07-11 11:28 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > 2016-07-11 2:02 GMT+02:00 Éric Gillet : > >> If you do a search-and-replace on 20 elements and review manually the >> change, it is covered under the AE CoC. I don't think of that as an >> advanced or uncommon task. > > > > when you do any "sear

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Automated edits code of conduct

2016-07-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-07-11 2:02 GMT+02:00 Éric Gillet : > If you do a search-and-replace on 20 elements and review manually the > change, it is covered under the AE CoC. I don't think of that as an > advanced or uncommon task. when you do any "search and replace" based edits I believe these are correctly consi

Re: [OSM-talk] Automated edits code of conduct

2016-07-11 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Monday 11 July 2016, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > DWG is a committee of the elected OSMF. If you don't like it, you can > vote for directors on OSMF who share your viewpoint, who can then > vote to instruct DWG accordingly. > > This is called representative democracy. The alternative is direct >

Re: [OSM-talk] Automated edits code of conduct

2016-07-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Éric Gillet wrote: > In contrary to the Contributor Terms, these rules : > - Doesn't seem to have been voted on before their "establishment" The Code of Conduct is a document enforced and revised by DWG, with the intention of codifying long-standing principles in OSM (principally, "respect the wor

Re: [OSM-talk] Automated edits code of conduct

2016-07-11 Thread Christoph Hormann
Another thought: maybe it would be helpful to think of the DWG work as some kind of fire brigade rather than police. They do not work to enforce formal laws but are around in case something disruptive to normal mapping activities happens too severe for the individual mappers to deal with. If