Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: DWG policy on Crimea

2018-10-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
21. Oct 2018 23:19 by yuriastrak...@gmail.com : > I think a country relation should describe how the specific country think of > its borders. So if two countries claim the same territory, those two > relations will overlap. That is absurd and conflict with OS

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: DWG policy on Crimea

2018-10-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Can you summarize parts of this article (5k+ words, in "long read" section) that are relevant totagging of Russian and Ukrainian border in the Crimea? 22. Oct 2018 00:44 by oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch : > > Hi Martin, > > Before continui

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: DWG policy on Crimea

2018-10-22 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 8:22 AM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > I think a country relation should describe how the specific country think > of its borders. So if two countries claim the same territory, those two > relations will overlap. > > That is absurd and conflict with OSM rule to map what exists

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: DWG policy on Crimea

2018-10-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 22. Okt. 2018 um 15:54 Uhr schrieb Yuri Astrakhan < yuriastrak...@gmail.com>: > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 8:22 AM Mateusz Konieczny > wrote: > >> I think a country relation should describe how the specific country think >> of its borders. So if two countries claim the same territory, those

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: DWG policy on Crimea

2018-10-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
22. Oct 2018 16:17 by dieterdre...@gmail.com : > Am Mo., 22. Okt. 2018 um 15:54 Uhr schrieb Yuri Astrakhan <> > yuriastrak...@gmail.com > >: > >> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 8:22 AM Mateusz Konieczny <>> >> matkoni...@tutanota.com

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: DWG policy on Crimea

2018-10-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
22. Oct 2018 15:51 by yuriastrak...@gmail.com : > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 8:22 AM Mateusz Konieczny <> matkoni...@tutanota.com > > > wrote: > >> >>> I think a country relation should describe how the specific country thin

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: DWG policy on Crimea

2018-10-22 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-10-22 16:34, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > I strongly disagree, we map reality. There is no one true reality, only perceptions. Which reality takes precedence in your mind, may not be the same for everyone. Reality is subjective. What is the test to apply to decide whether a point is inclu

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: DWG policy on Crimea

2018-10-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
22. Oct 2018 16:59 by colin.sm...@xs4all.nl : > > On 2018-10-22 16:34, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > >> >> I strongly disagree, we map reality. >> > > There is no one true reality, only perceptions. > There is both a true reality and our biased interpretation of it

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: DWG policy on Crimea

2018-10-22 Thread Oleksiy Muzalyev
The situation with Crimea is not clear-cut. It is kind of complicated. For instance, the climate in Crimea is very dry, that is why the water from the river Dnieper had been transferred to Crimea by an immense artificial North Crimean Canal [1]. Now the Dnieper water is not sold to Crimea any m

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: DWG policy on Crimea

2018-10-22 Thread Greg Troxel
Yuri Astrakhan writes: > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 8:22 AM Mateusz Konieczny > wrote: > >> I think a country relation should describe how the specific country think >> of its borders. So if two countries claim the same territory, those two >> relations will overlap. >> >> That is absurd and confli

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: DWG policy on Crimea

2018-10-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 7:29 PM Greg Troxel wrote: > Yuri Astrakhan writes: > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 8:22 AM Mateusz Konieczny < > matkoni...@tutanota.com> > > wrote: > > > >> I think a country relation should describe how the specific country > think > >> of its borders. So if two countrie

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: DWG policy on Crimea

2018-10-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, the Crimea issue is currently being discussed in DWG. Regarding the wider question of boundaries, here is our policy on disputed boundaries https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/d/d8/DisputedTerritoriesInformation.pdf This policy is not likely to change any time soon. It would however be