Re: [Talk-us] National Park boundaries

2012-07-28 Thread Daniel Sabo
If you're OK with using non-rendering tags you should use the established boundary=protected_area instead of something US specific ( https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dprotected_area#Protect_classes_for_various_countries ). If you want it to render the convention I've been using

[OSM-talk] California is all wet

2011-03-22 Thread Daniel Sabo
The new river rendering at z7 to z10 is a little extreme. e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.27lon=-123.61zoom=7layers=M http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.269lon=-123.611zoom=9layers=M Are the lines supposed to be this thick? ___ talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-20 Thread Daniel Sabo
On Feb 20, 2011, at 12:32 AM, David Murn wrote: On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 19:40 -0800, Daniel Sabo wrote: Maybe you don't like it, but you are not the entire OSM community. Yes, in this case someone overwritten what I presume was good surveyed data with an import was stupid. But in general

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-20 Thread Daniel Sabo
On Feb 20, 2011, at 1:03 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Daniel Sabo daniels...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 19, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: From what I can tell (talk-ca postings etc.) 'sammuell' is a fairly inexperienced OSMer who presumably thinks

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-20 Thread Daniel Sabo
On Feb 20, 2011, at 3:16 PM, Felix Hartmann wrote: Couldn't agree more to it. Imports kill community and scare novices away. ... Most important things for OSM are good aerial photos coupled with large community. Worst are imports. The United States are so bad, I don't think OSM will ever

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-20 Thread Daniel Sabo
On Feb 20, 2011, at 3:58 PM, David Murn wrote: On Sun, 2011-02-20 at 15:35 -0800, Nathan Edgars II wrote: I find tracing endless residential subdivisions from aerials to be a chore and no fun. I know many who disagree, fortunately. Last year I was laid up in bed for around 3 months

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-20 Thread Daniel Sabo
On Feb 20, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Felix Hartmann wrote: On 21.02.2011 00:47, Daniel Sabo wrote: On Feb 20, 2011, at 3:16 PM, Felix Hartmann wrote: Couldn't agree more to it. Imports kill community and scare novices away. ... Most important things for OSM are good aerial photos coupled

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-19 Thread Daniel Sabo
On Feb 19, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Nic Roets wrote: On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: This is getting crazy. Exhibit 1: http://twitter.com/#!/maproomblog/status/39053538692698112 Whoever imported CanVec in Aylmer, Quebec obliterated hours of work

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-19 Thread Daniel Sabo
On Feb 19, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: From what I can tell (talk-ca postings etc.) 'sammuell' is a fairly inexperienced OSMer who presumably thinks this is how things are done. It isn't. How do we stop this impression taking hold? How do we explain that imports are _not_

Re: [OSM-talk] Boundary rendering bug

2011-02-10 Thread Daniel Sabo
To map the boundary as a relation you should have: Member way: no boundary tags (that includes the boundary name) Uh, no. Please, do add boundary=administrative + admin_level=n. Where n is the highest order admin level that applies, so if two relations with admin_level=6 and 8

Re: [OSM-talk] Boundary rendering bug

2011-02-09 Thread Daniel Sabo
This is probably a holdover from old style multipolygons that were defined by the tags on the outer ways and had no tags on the relations. But putting tags on both the way and the relation would be wrong anyways, because the renderer can't know that boundary on the way is the same boundary on

Re: [OSM-talk] Boundary rendering bug

2011-02-09 Thread Daniel Sabo
Agreed. What I mean is that if there are tags that apply to the multipolygon itself they should be only on the multipolygon. In your example the monument would be an inner way of the multipolygon and shouldn't have any tags related to the public square, but it would also be a monument, and the

Re: [OSM-talk] Boundary rendering bug

2011-02-09 Thread Daniel Sabo
It's not really a bug, if you have the following setup: Member way: boundary = administrative Relation: boundary = administrative admin_level = 6 What you're telling mapnik is that there are two boundaries, one is admin_level 6, the other is admin_level undefined. The admin 6 one will render

Re: [OSM-talk] Boundary rendering bug

2011-02-09 Thread Daniel Sabo
, Daniel Sabo daniels...@gmail.com wrote: It's not really a bug, if you have the following setup: Member way: boundary = administrative Relation: boundary = administrative admin_level = 6 What you're telling mapnik is that there are two boundaries, one is admin_level 6, the other

Re: [Talk-us] Relations, cycle routes, shapefiles

2011-02-05 Thread Daniel Sabo
On Feb 5, 2011, at 7:14 AM, Craig Hinners wrote: Sure, relations get you an additional degree of normalization. And using relations to carry route/network tags gets the job done, granted. But at what cost? I've yet to hear a convincing argument that justifies the additional complexity

Re: [Talk-us] Relations, cycle routes, shapefiles

2011-02-05 Thread Daniel Sabo
Using semicolons brings us back to impossible to query without string manipulation. I agree with you that multiple values per key would have been a better design for many things, it still wouldn't solve the fact that there may be a set of keys (e.g. names) associated with each ref rather than

Re: [Talk-us] Relations, cycle routes, shapefiles

2011-02-04 Thread Daniel Sabo
What are you going to do when the route is part of more than one state highway or bike route? You can't do a db query for ref:highway:ca:0, ref:highway:ca:1, ref:highway:ca:n without doing expensive string comparisons, and you can't explode a delimited list of refs without breaking the one key

Re: [OSM-talk] New tool in Potlatch 2 for areas that share a way

2011-01-30 Thread Daniel Sabo
This is a really bad idea. Drawing collinear features by sharing nodes is NEVER a good idea beyond 1 or 2 shared corners, that's what multipolygons are for. When the ways get attached to large objects (like an administrative boundary or national park) it becomes impossible to edit them from an

Re: [OSM-talk] New tool in Potlatch 2 for areas that share a way

2011-01-30 Thread Daniel Sabo
On Jan 30, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Daniel Sabo daniels...@gmail.com wrote: This is a really bad idea. Drawing collinear features by sharing nodes is NEVER a good idea beyond 1 or 2 shared corners, that's what multipolygons are for. Does

Re: [OSM-talk] New tool in Potlatch 2 for areas that share a way

2011-01-30 Thread Daniel Sabo
On Jan 30, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Daniel Sabo daniels...@gmail.com wrote: Right now Potlatch doesn't even render landuse multipolygons though, so there's not much incentive for people to click a button like that :). I do appreciate that my

[OSM-talk] Announcing Maps4Mac

2011-01-29 Thread Daniel Sabo
Maps4Mac ( http://code.google.com/p/maps4mac ) is an on demand offline map browser for MacOS 10.6. It allows you browse and search maps, load gpx file overlays, track your position, and generate gps logs. It uses Mapnik as the rendering engine, and in addition to osm data you can use it to

[OSM-talk] EPA Import from 2009

2011-01-24 Thread Daniel Sabo
I thought these got reverted? I just noticed a bunch of (bad) nodes from changeset 3352521 still exist. I'm going to delete all the nodes from this changset and the other 12 epa hazard site changsets if they are still at version 1 unless there's a strong objection. These nodes were all imported

Re: [OSM-talk] planet extract request: from users edits

2011-01-15 Thread Daniel Sabo
If you just want everything where they were the last user to modify it you can use XAPI, just download: http://xapi.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/*[@user=reimer] http://xapi.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/*[@user=Acrosscanadatrail] More info: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Xapi On Jan 15, 2011, at

Re: [Talk-us] boundary = national_park in the US

2011-01-09 Thread Daniel Sabo
The problem I see with using protected_area right now (since it's not an accepted/rendered tag), is that an object can't have two values for they key boundary. National forest objects can be huge mulitpolygons (e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1273907 ), having a

Re: [Talk-us] boundary = national_park in the US

2011-01-09 Thread Daniel Sabo
Thanks for your input to help sort this out. So after more reading, I guess protected_area will work for these. When I first looked at it protectedplanet.net was confusing me because it doesn't show national forests, but at least according to wikipedia National Forests qualify as Category VI.

[Talk-us] boundary = national_park in the US

2011-01-07 Thread Daniel Sabo
boundary=national_park gets stretched around quite a bit mapping the US, it's being used for: National Parks National Forests National Monuments National Preserves National Recreation Areas State Parks State Forests (not sure if any of these have actually been imported). I've seen admin_level

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: delete census-designated place polygons

2010-11-12 Thread Daniel Sabo
but the polygon is still a much better approximation that you would get with just a node. While a node be able to tell you unincorporated the stuff north of Arcata is McKinleyville it wouldn't convey that west of 101 and south of the river is not McKinleyville. Problem is if Arcata expends

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: delete census-designated place polygons

2010-11-11 Thread Daniel Sabo
I would oppose deleting them. They do have real world significance because they represent community boundaries in unincorporated areas, and the name that you would use to search for an address these communities. McKinleyville, CA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKinleyville,_California) is as

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: delete census-designated place polygons

2010-11-11 Thread Daniel Sabo
cases where the tags are out of sync between point and polygon. On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:21 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Daniel Sabo daniels...@gmail.com wrote: I would oppose deleting them. They do have real world significance because they represent community