Re: [OSM-talk] Stack Overflow-like site for geographic information systems

2010-09-14 Thread Steve Bennett
Looks like that one has died, but there are OSM questions in the (active beta) GIS one: http://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/openstreetmap Steve (I'm reviving this old thread rather than start a new one to post the url...) On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com

Re: [talk-au] Tags for bicycle friendly streets (Ride the City - Brisbane)

2010-09-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Vaidila Kungys vaid...@ridethecity.com wrote: Brisbane OSM bicyclists, We're working on bringing Ride the City (www.ridethecity.com) to Brisbane. We're doing this completely through OSM for Brisbane (for other cities in we've used non-OSM data for routing).

Re: [talk-au] GPS traces

2010-09-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: I have removed all my gps traces from the OSM database. How come? Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: cc-by-sa (and almost? every viral license) allows for forking as long as said fork is under the same license. Note the number of Wikipedia forks and mirrors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mirrors_and_forks

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Then mark the reasons it's not suitable. We have this same discussion with cycling (in fact, Peter Miller had an entire presentation on this issue at SOTM09 - he just suggested the wrong solution :-) ). One persons

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-26 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Have you not noticed how your posts are becoming repetitious? If by that you mean, Thanks Steve for your insights on moderation, I think you have now clearly communicated your point of view, then, good, I'll stop. If it was

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-25 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com wrote: You realize tightly moderate and issues of all nature are somewhat contradictory, do you? Not at all. Personal attacks, repetition, off-topic remarks, spamminess, me-tooism - none of this comes under issues of all natures.

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch for Newbies

2010-08-24 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Personally I use 'save mode' in P1 with the approach save early, save (very) often. Once you've made your first save (with changeset comment) it's only a matter of pressing 'S' now and then, which'll bring up a

[talk-au] Why maxspeed:source not source:maxspeed?

2010-08-24 Thread Steve Bennett
I had thought the latter was the standard? I also ask because technically there's a conflict with the power:* proposals, one of which was power:source=*. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Why maxspeed:source not source:maxspeed?

2010-08-24 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Don't know for sure but I've been changing them to source:maxspeed as per here: Cool, surely they could be changed en masse though. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] NearMap Community Licence and OSM Contributor Terms

2010-08-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Finally, as ever, I want to make it clear that it's not our place as a company to try and direct or influence the direction of OSM.  That's for the community and OSMF to debate and decide. I disagree. NearMap is part of the

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com wrote: But every opinions should have a place to voice themselves, shouldn't they? No. Not all opinions are helpful. And certainly, sheer volume of opinions is unhelpful. If Talk becomes moderated/censured, where would that be?

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch for Newbies

2010-08-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 8:55 PM, NopMap ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: - Why don't we disable that Live edit feature for good? I vaguely remember the question has been raised before, but I just can't think of any use case where I' need to mess up the data directly with no undo. I only ever use the

Re: [OSM-talk] Beaches at lower zoom levels

2010-08-20 Thread Steve Bennett
Out of curiosity, where do you get this low- and high-tide data from anyway? On aerial photos it's pretty hard to see anything except where the water happened to be at the time of the photo. Steve On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: At 2010-08-18

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: We haven't had any problems before the controversy over licences, and I expect that once these troubles are resolved one way or another, there won't be further eruptions.  So I'd suggest not setting up any elaborate moderation

[talk-au] What's going on here? (mysterious street)

2010-08-19 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi all, For my own education, could someone attempt to guess what's going on here: http://goo.gl/maps/lBqP Specifically, Ward Rd. I see no trace of it on NearMap (http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.897085,145.391838z=18t=hnmd=20100711), and I couldn't find it when I rode through there the other

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 2:34 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: The list has become sane again, and I've not had to use any Evil Powers. But, is this what you want going forward? My own inclination is that list moderators are elected per list for, say, a one year period. But I suspect

Re: [OSM-talk] proposal: rental=*

2010-08-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:30 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: shop=rental rental:car=yes/no rental:bike=yes/no rental:truck=yes/no rental:van=yes/no rental:bus=yes/no I don't like this because this: shop=rental means nothing. It's a shop where you can rent stuff! I'd

Re: [OSM-talk] BDFL Moderation

2010-08-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 5:07 AM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: ...Any moderation will be announced to those people I just mentioned, and not publicly. Why not publicly? On balance, it seems better to not call out individuals publicly which might only make things worse and make

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?

2010-08-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org wrote: In many cases I have seen empty (as in truely empty) nodes left around as a result of failed imports, or failed uploads of changesets. Or Potlatch bugs. Seriously, guys, creating nodes with zero tags attached, and

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap updating?

2010-08-15 Thread Steve Bennett
Thanks for the update and all the hard work. Steve On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, the existing server is pretty much kaput - it's completely overloaded. Many parts of the map haven't been re-rendered since the start of July. It's been in a

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?

2010-08-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Jonas Stein n...@jonasstein.de wrote: there are many empty nodes in the osm database. In the IRC channel i was told, that there are users who paint empty nodes in the map to mark things like road is not mapped, but continues here Personally, I delete them. If

Re: [talk-au] now, why would you want to do this?

2010-08-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com wrote: http://prettymaps.stamen.com After reading the tell me more, I'm still mystified. Take a couple of high quality datasets, a couple of low quality datasets, mix them together, and create a super low quality blur. Steve

Re: [OSM-talk] Enough is enough: disinfecting OSM from poisonous people

2010-08-13 Thread Steve Bennett
...@gmail.com wrote: Steve Bennett-3 wrote: - Let's not tar all Australians with the same brush. Some of us are supportive of the license changes, and pulling our heads in and just mapping quietly. I love the implication here that you're 'poisonous' if you don't support the license changes

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] Enough is enough: disinfecting OSM from poisonous people

2010-08-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: I love the implication here that you're 'poisonous' if you don't support the license changes (and vice versa). That wasn't my intention. To be clearer: * Some of us are supportive of the license changes, * some of us

Re: [OSM-talk] Voluntary re-licensing begins

2010-08-12 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi, I'll be brief: 1) License change good. Me happy with license change. 2) Check box (In addition to the above agreement, I consider my contributions to be in the Public Domain) bad. Easy to tick without reading. Looks like standard I have read, I agree. Steve

[OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap updating?

2010-08-12 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi all, Wondering if anyone knows the current status of OpenCycleMap tile generation. Any idea when I could expect an update in my neck of the woods (Melbourne, Australia)? Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap updating?

2010-08-12 Thread Steve Bennett
Great, I'll keep an eye out. Steve On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Adam Killian vi...@bonius.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 11:47 +1000, Steve Bennett wrote: Hi all,   Wondering if anyone knows the current status of OpenCycleMap tile generation. Any idea when I could expect an update

Re: [OSM-talk] Enough is enough: disinfecting OSM from poisonous people

2010-08-12 Thread Steve Bennett
Great post, and excellent honeytrap: all the poisonous people flocked immediately to this thread and started debating it furiously. Some points: - verbosity/spamminess *is* disruptive. It takes a lot of time to read, and invariably someone will respond, causing more posts. Worse, it causes

Re: [OSM-talk] Helmet cameras for mapping?

2010-08-01 Thread Steve Bennett
For anyone curious, I've uploaded some sample photos from the Drift HD170. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/767553/OSM/HD1.jpg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/767553/OSM/HD2.jpg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/767553/OSM/HD3.jpg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/767553/OSM/HD4.jpg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/767553/OSM/HD5.jpg These

Re: [OSM-talk] ssl for wiki.openstreetmap.org

2010-08-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 9:24 PM, colliar colliar4e...@aol.com wrote: I wonder why there is no ssl-support for the wiki. It woudb be nice if I could enter my password and changes with an encrypted connection and not just plain text. What's the need, if I may ask? What's the worst that could

Re: [talk-au] Showgrounds

2010-08-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: and if you talk about something being held at the showgrounds, the locals all know where you mean.  But most of the year, it's used for other things.  Any permanent halls are often used for clubs to meet in, any weekly

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: The other group consists of well-meaning mappers who are valuable members of our community but who perceive the need to enter a changeset comment as a kind of nagging, nannying, and who might be tempted to enter a useless

Re: [talk-au] Showgrounds

2010-07-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: Well it appears as though people have been tagging them as landuse=recreation_ground (as per Melbourne Showgrounds) which seems the closest approximation to what it is. landuse=recreation_ground

Re: [talk-au] What makes a good change set comment?

2010-07-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 6:13 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: What goes in to a good change set comment?  Should it include the nature of your edits, the sources used, edit theme, and location? What else? You might want to back up a bit and ask what purpose do changesets serve? For

Re: [talk-au] Showgrounds

2010-07-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure I like that option Steve as it implies that the recreation_ground is only a showground. I prefer the landuse=showground option and then, if there is an oval that is used for recreation within the

Re: [talk-au] tagging the source of edits

2010-07-29 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Indeed; the entire subject is shrouded in what I'd call complexity, and what lawyers would call my retirement beach house fund :)  I look at it this way; imagine an eager Nearmap user buys a house in some newly developed

Re: [talk-au] tagging the source of edits

2010-07-29 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: Wouldn't it be much simpler to define source:nearmap as implying attribution:nearmap, as opposed to using both tags. Heh. It's simple in the sense that it's simple to wish upon a star. To actual document and

Re: [OSM-talk] mountain_pass=yes: combination with place=locality and rendering

2010-07-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Niccolo Rigacci o...@rigacci.org wrote: For bikers - at least in Italy Alps and Appennini mountains - a mountain pass along a road is often used as a meeting point or as a trip destination. So the use of place=locality is not so misleading. Yep, I was thinking

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView

2010-07-28 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi Nick, That's a cool project. I've just ordered a new helmet camera which has the ability to take photos continuously at 3 second intervals, so I'd be keen to upload a *lot* of photos - have you thought about an interface for that? Obviously doing them one at a time through a web form is not

Re: [OSM-talk] mountain_pass=yes: combination with place=locality and rendering

2010-07-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 6:22 AM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: Wouldn't it be an idea to simply render a pass importance based on the type of highway it is connected to? That's a heuristic which will work well in some areas, but I doubt it will be flexible enough to give a good

Re: [talk-au] tagging the source of edits

2010-07-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: If an existing way was marked as source:yahoo, but I made some minor alterations from nearmap imagery what should I do to the source? Unlike some of the other answers, I don't think it's at all clear what to do here.

Re: [talk-au] tagging the source of edits

2010-07-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: On 28 July 2010 23:43, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I would love to know whether Yahoo or Nearmap actually gives a damn. Obviously I can's peak for Yahoo (I think I should spell that Yahoo!) but NearMap does

Re: [talk-au] tagging the source of edits

2010-07-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: If that's not feasible, I hope you use some other technique to make it very clear to users that they must not copy street names from a non-free map. We understand this point very well :) Heh, I'm glad you do, because it's

Re: [talk-au] Electoral boundaries...

2010-07-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:35 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure it's worth doing anything with these as they tend to shift too frequently, although they could be imported without trying to merge them into existing boundaries so they can be reimported later when they

Re: [talk-au] Direction of flow, rivers and streams

2010-07-27 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:39 PM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: I note the wiki says that Direction of the way should be downstream. Most streams I look at on OSM have been drawn uphill, and I've been reversing the direction of ones I notice as wrong.  Indeed, I find it more natural to

Re: [OSM-talk] Street guide built from OSM data, looking for feedback

2010-07-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Edward Betts o...@edwardbetts.com wrote: I'm interested in ideas about how to better organize the data, or for any other suggestions. IMHO this sort of thing is only useful when integrated into something else. Like making it a particular view on

Re: [talk-au] Mapping a blank spot

2010-07-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:42 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I just want more people to contribute maxspeed information to make routing more useful, and if people see maxspeed tags everywhere I was hoping they'd either fix them if wrong, or add them to non-residential

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing the Open Brewpub Map

2010-07-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Ken Guest k...@linux.ie wrote: The huge hint is the text Upstairs, our working micro-brewery produces only the finest of local hand-crafted beers. :D Sven said it well: If beer is available in supermarkets nationwide I would say no and yes otherwise.

Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

2010-07-20 Thread Steve Bennett
Why not use: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:noname Steve On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: I can check Yass on Friday, as the Department of Health and Ageing is paying me to drive that way again. Thanks Liz, that'd be great. I'll bet a

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing the Open Brewpub Map

2010-07-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de wrote: Tagging is easy. Just add microbrewery=yes to the node or building area object of your local brewpub. Whee. Now, please define microbrewery and brewpub. Is this a microbrewery:

Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

2010-07-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Peter Ross pe...@emailross.com wrote: I should be more specific, I looked at town on the hume on the way to canberra Using http://sautter.com/map  * Yass  * Goulbourn  * Murumbateman  * Gundaroo It's quite simple to check towns yourself. FYI, a simpler

Re: [talk-au] Sydney-Canberra trip

2010-07-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:40 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I made a noname overlay style and it should be a lot more up to date as the server should* be expiring tiles in real time: http://maps.bigtincan.com/?z=8ll=-35.255,149.163layer=BFTF Nice. Perhaps you

Re: [talk-au] Nearmap coverage plan

2010-07-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com wrote: That said, having had a look at the new coverage in the Hunter Valley, there is a huge amount of detail you can get from Nearmap that would be practically impossible with surveying. I've also been finding the opposite.

Re: [talk-au] Nearmap coverage plan

2010-07-15 Thread Steve Bennett
I just wish the area between Ballarat and Bendigo extended a bit further west. It's a very interesting area of Victoria, full of little dirt tracks through the old gold digging area. Creswick is half covered, Clunes is off the map... But to be honest, no matter how much coverage there was, we'd

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: I had hoped that after the dust settled a bit the OSMF learned from these discussions, but reading the above legal talk thread I still see the same elitist behaviour from the inner circle as before - very sad to see

Re: [OSM-talk] Helmet cameras for mapping?

2010-07-13 Thread Steve Bennett
Thanks for that. I'll probably get the GoPro Helmet Hero HD, as I like the look of the timelapse modes. On a tangent, this weekend I went out to map a couple of walking/mountain biking paths. Rode 100km, including about 50km of trails that weren't on OSM. Got back home and discovered that my most

Re: [OSM-talk] Shared nodes between non-routable objects?

2010-07-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 6:54 AM, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote: Another case where I’ve found it especially useful to share nodes, even between routable and non-routable objects, is for speed limits.  In at least one case that I’m aware of, the speed limit is defined in the law as “on

[OSM-talk] Helmet cameras for mapping?

2010-07-12 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi all, Wondering if anyone has tried a helmet camera like the GoPro Helmet Hero HD or ContourHD for mapping? The former even has a mode where it takes a 5MP photo every two seconds. Plus you could probably narrate to it while riding along. You might even be able to just look at street signs and

Re: [OSM-talk] Helmet cameras for mapping?

2010-07-12 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote:  Wondering if anyone has tried a helmet camera like the GoPro Helmet Hero HD or ContourHD for mapping? I have the ContourHD, and while it's a fantastic sports cam, it's not close enough to usable for reading street signs from

Re: [talk-au] Another day, another bridge...

2010-07-12 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:31 AM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Wiki suggests that a pitch is any sort of playing field.  Infact doesnt even suggest football/cricket (although does have soccer).  Suggestions are tennis, skate park, basketball, etc. I think pitch=fishing could

Re: [OSM-talk] Comprehensive set of GPS track logs

2010-07-11 Thread Steve Bennett
What do you mean by comprehensive? You mean, covering all of one person's movements during some period of time? Or do you just mean lots of? Steve On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Lukas Kabrt lu...@kabrt.cz wrote: Hi, I am student working on the GSoC project - Travel time analysis [1], [2].

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapquest launches site based on OSM!

2010-07-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 6:50 PM, David Ellams osmli...@dellams.fastmail.fm wrote: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2010/07/09/aols-mapquest-looks-to-wikipedia-model-for-mapping/ Excerpts: MapQuest, the No. 2 Internet-mapping service after Google’s, is taking the first steps toward a Wikipedia-like

Re: [talk-au] How to tag a church without its own building

2010-07-05 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO, No - I don't like the idea of using separate/duplicate features (e.g. an extra node) to describe something at the same physical location. ... So right now, I see four remaining options, IMHO all pretty crappy and

Re: [talk-au] How to tag a church without its own building

2010-07-05 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:18 PM, John Smith If we're tagging what's on the ground, Which we're not. There is no on the ground rule, guideline, axiom, suggestion or anything. Can we stop using this non-existent guiding principle? then it's a school hall, if you want to do minor uses this would

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering street names across several ways

2010-07-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Igor Brejc igor.br...@gmail.com wrote: This results in even more complicated situation and even more work to maintain such data. And even if do you follow this practice, there will still be huge amounts of legacy data which do not. I think if two streets share

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering street names across several ways

2010-06-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 5:54 PM, zve...@textual.ru wrote: As you can see, on islands there are nine labels with street names, but plenty of space for such labels on many streets and avenues. Those names are not rendered, obviously, because most streets consist of several ways, due to routing

Re: [OSM-talk] Removing ways in Potlatch

2010-06-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: If historical data is really desired then it seems like there need to be some features added to support it. That would actually be pretty easy to add in any renderer, if a proposal was made for a tag like status=historic

Re: [OSM-talk] Removing ways in Potlatch

2010-06-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Alex S. m...@swavely.com wrote: Some would like to see it kept and marked historical, but deleting ways Oh? Could you elaborate? Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?

2010-06-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Ben Welsh ben.we...@gmail.com wrote: Long story short: I'm curious whether our boundaries might have a home in the OSM database. I don't know a ton about the project, but I've always IMHO they might be useful, on the basis that they're not just any old informal

[OSM-talk] openstreetmap.org down

2010-06-14 Thread Steve Bennett
Presumably someone knows about this and is fixing it, but just in case: The OpenStreetMap server encountered an unexpected condition that prevented it from fulfilling the request (HTTP 500) Feel free to contact the OpenStreetMap community if your problem persists. Make a note of the exact

Re: [OSM-talk] openstreetmap.org down

2010-06-14 Thread Steve Bennett
Unscheduled maintenance, I like it. :) On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Presumably someone knows about this and is fixing it, but just in case

[talk-au] Highway classifications

2010-06-13 Thread Steve Bennett
Wondering if any experts here could elaborate a bit on the definitions of highway=primary, secondary, tertiary at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines . There were a few roads in my area (Glen Huntly) tagged as highway=primary, even though they're pretty minor roads.

Re: [talk-au] Highway classifications

2010-06-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: By definition, the definition will be dependent on the context. From http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway: description of the importance of the highway for the road grid. To get any useful feedback from us, I

Re: [talk-au] Buildings

2010-06-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 5:56 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I know this was a pet topic of Steve, the wiki page for buildings suggests building:use=* for the use but has anyone tagging buildings with anything other than building=yes? http://osmdoc.com/en/tag/building/#values

Re: [talk-au] Highway classifications

2010-06-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 12:35 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: So then what makes a trunk a trunk? dual carriage way? volume of traffic? Just had a look at the VicRoads website - they only classify roads as freeway, arterial, or other. Do other state bodies do similar? At least

Re: [talk-au] Highway classifications

2010-06-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:26 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Wouldn't most councils be using Australian/New Zealand Standards for things like this? In which case I'd be looking for the AS/NZ documents covering road classifications rather than going from the bottom up... Sure,

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch and NearMap sourcing - what? why?

2010-06-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: trac called, it wants its job back. It is really really really unhelpful to bring up every little thing on the mailing lists rather than the proper bug-tracking system. Please don't. It doesn't mean your alleged bug

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch and NearMap sourcing - what? why?

2010-06-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com wrote: Ooo look it even tells you about it from the Potlatch wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch/Feedback Thanks for the reminder of that page. Steve ___ talk

Re: [talk-au] The nearmap effect

2010-06-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:39 PM, James Livingston li...@sunsetutopia.com wrote: Did you select Nearmap from the background-image setting, or use Edit on the Nearmap site? I did use the latter method once, but the behaviour persists each time I load openstreetmap, and in three different

Re: [talk-au] Things that would be nice if they rendered...

2010-06-09 Thread Steve Bennett
Four messages in a row. Way to destroy a thread with verbal diarrhoea. *sigh* Steve On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 5:55 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 June 2010 17:29, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 June 2010 17:28, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:

[OSM-talk] Potlatch and NearMap sourcing - what? why?

2010-06-08 Thread Steve Bennett
I just noticed that Potlatch has started saving the source, when using nearmap[1], as source=http://www.nearmap.com/kh/zxy=!,!,!; rather than just source=nearmap. Several issues here: 1) That format looks broken - surely those should be numbers, not ! 2) Changing to such a specific source rather

Re: [talk-au] NearMap support for OSM editing

2010-06-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: the NearMap site).  We do have our own registration system, and we're going to require that a user be registered with us before we allow them to make edits. Because of the above, edits applied to the OSM data would be

Re: [talk-au] Things that would be nice if they rendered...

2010-06-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 7:14 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: On trails which horses use, there's often a type of above-ground cattle grid called a cavaletti.  Typically, it would consist of about 4 widely-spaced logs across the track at a height of about a half a metre.  The idea is

Re: [talk-au] Things that would be nice if they rendered...

2010-06-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:58 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Mapping a few things locally and noticed some things don't render, so I filed bugs about them: I'd really like golf course features to be rendered. I find it a bit ironic that Best of OpenStreetMap includes a golf

Re: [talk-au] NearMap support for OSM editing

2010-06-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: There's no convenient way.  We could bounce a user off to the OSM site to register, but this is complex because they then need to confirm an email, and after the signup there (appears to be) no convenient way to bring them

Re: [talk-au] The nearmap effect

2010-06-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Neil Penman ianaf4...@yahoo.com wrote: Only the vast majority of these were not sourced from Nearmap (except in some of the country areas not previously covered by Yahoo). They may have been updated by somebody using nearmap imagery, mostly trivial changes, but

Re: [talk-au] Unusual edits.

2010-06-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: It's just that some of the edits are suspiciously like Brendan_Cherry's For those of us not familiar with Brendan_Cherry... what's unusual about their edits? Steve ___ Talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Another graphic use of OSM

2010-06-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com wrote: @sebchan: Absolutely amazing analysis of geotagged photos - Locals vs Tourists #12 (GTWA #27): Sydney on Flickr - http://bit.ly/cMYTQO Original Tweet: http://twitter.com/sebchan/status/15692611438 Um, a little bit of context

Re: [talk-au] The nearmap effect

2010-06-08 Thread Steve Bennett
Err, and just now I notice that when you press b in Potlatch, instead of creating source=nearmap, it creates a tag like http://www.nearmap.com/kh/zxy=!,!,!;. Wonder when this change happened, and is that a bug? It sure looks like it... Stve ___ Talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Another graphic use of OSM

2010-06-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:40 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: This was posted to blogs last week... There is an image of Merlbourne in the collection too I believe... http://www.flickr.com/photos/walkingsf/4671519459/ At a guess, he has downloaded thousands of flickr images

Re: [talk-au] [SOTM] State of country Australia poster

2010-06-07 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, This year, the State of the Map in Girona will make use of posters (A1 vertical http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A1_paper_size ) for State of Countries. Since last year, it has been a very interesting year for

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging wide steps (tribune / terrace)

2010-06-06 Thread Steve Bennett
Interesting problem. Seems related to the general how to map a street as an area without sacrificing the properties of streets problem. Use an area, and a relation, with the relation specifying which way(s) are the top and bottom? Steve On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 7:16 AM, Richard Weait

Re: [OSM-talk] Planet file now at 10 GB

2010-06-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 7:29 AM, Milo van der Linden m...@dogodigi.net wrote: I always use the ITO OpenStreetMap environment for specific bbox and time/date edit queries: http://www.itoworld.com/static/openstreetmap.html Wow, that's really cool - didn't know that existed. Perhaps we should

Re: [talk-au] Bridges and Tunnels

2010-06-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:47 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: If you can run a script over data it could also be pre-processed in a similar manner without needing explicit tags on the objects. I had thought that the consensus was that layer tags *are* assumed, at least in cases

Re: [talk-au] Bridges and Tunnels

2010-06-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Each bridge that currently does not have a layer tag would have layer=1 added. That will be incorrect if a bridge crosses a body of water (or other object) that has a layer tag other than zero. Which means some renderers may

Re: [talk-au] Bridges and Tunnels

2010-06-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Anyone see any issues with running this completely and on a regular basis eg weekly cron job. Also, one problem with doing that is it muddies the issue: if a bot is automatically adding layer tags, does that mean that

[talk-au] The nearmap effect

2010-06-06 Thread Steve Bennett
http://www.itoworld.com/product/osm/map?colour=tablestyle=_default_osm_tagsarea=4687:0sort=total-show=key_values:8 I only just discovered ItoWorld, heh. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Road restrictions

2010-05-30 Thread Steve Bennett
Cool, I think it makes sense to tag this kind of thing with australian-specific tags, as you have done. OTOH, I wonder about the sustainability of adding more tags that could be applied to every single street in australia. Would it make more sense to tag them as some kind of barrier (no road

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-27 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: On Wed, 26 May 2010 10:28:24 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 May 2010 10:23, Alex Lum sierra.os...@gmail.com wrote: tag k='attributation' v='Australian Communications and Media Authority,

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