Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

Hi Per, thanks for your reply to the thread here. My suggestion regarding GPS traces would be twofold: 1) it would be great to have more gps traces alltogether in general, so a general upload of traces would be ideal, but it requires teaching the users about the danger of it, and uploading traces

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

On 09/08/2014 05:05 PM, Per Rosengren wrote: > Like Andreas Vilén suspected, our default position was sometimes used when > posting a note. It is users who have not yet gotten a real GPS fix (probably > in combination with that they do not understand the reporting functionality). > In coming rel

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

Not that I want to create even more problems but 35 km/h is a typical max speed in many rural towns in Iceland. These are often 4-5 street towns with a major road going through 1 of them so they see the need to severely limit the speed. It is up to each municipality to select max speed and som

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

Hi all! I work together with Erik Matsson who also have written in this thread (in August). For those of you who haven’t read his message, we work at Appello that owns the navigation application Wisepilot. It is through Wisepilot those anonymous notes have been posted. First of all, thanks for

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

> Il giorno 03/set/2014, alle ore 21:21, Paul Johnson ha > scritto: > > 3mph / 5km/h is also a common enough speed limit that this value appears in > the SHS as a common value for speed limit signs (usually used in scales, > unusually tight service plazas, etc). I've also seen 5km/h limits

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: > I am aware that the USA has speed limits in multiples of 5 mph. I was > suggesting that the app should use the GPS, or settings, to get some > sensible locaiised values for speed limits values and mph/kph. > 3mph / 5km/h is also a common en

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

be fairly simple, we have also planned to include the > position accuracy in the notes. > > > > Thank you for your feedback. > > > > //Erik > > > > *From:* Christian Quest [mailto:cqu...@openstreetmap.fr] > *Sent:* den 21 augusti 2014 08:35 > *Cc:* OpenS

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

4 08:35 Cc: OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that? More (automatic) details in the notes could be useful. For example: add the heading (something like N, NW, etc)... Also make sure you're creating the note at the earliest position

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

More (automatic) details in the notes could be useful. For example: add the heading (something like N, NW, etc)... Also make sure you're creating the note at the earliest position and not when the report is saved/confirmed. Have you considered sharing GPS traces ? This would be another major data

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

Hi Eric Thanks for your comments, I have been having a play with wisepilot and do quite like it. Pleased to see you are addressing the issues we have pointed out. I did find the login to osm after i used it, but used with care I found it excellent. It was a quiet time so I was able to stop wh

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

Hi my name is Erik and I work as a developer at Appello that owns the Wisepilot application. In our latest release (5.1) we've included a first iteration for a report component with the intention to make it easier for our users to report map issues in OSM. Unfortunately the release for version 5

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

On Sun, 2014-08-17 at 14:14 -0500, John F. Eldredge wrote: > Speed limits that are an odd multiple of 5 are common in the USA. For > example, the most common speed limit on motorways within cities is 55 mph. > 15 mph is a common speed limit near schools at the times of day when children > are

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

I've seen km/h speed limits in the US. There's even a sign standard for these, and the Federal Highway Administration is recommending the new signs over the existing MPH signs (tonnes and km/h are circled on the sign, obsolete units have no circle). On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Philip Barne

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

Reminds me of what Mapdust failed at. On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > I see a lot of comments like this. The underlying problem seems to be > that it is not clear whether notes are meant for armchair mappers, or > for surveyors in the field. > > I think both types of

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

Speed limits that are an odd multiple of 5 are common in the USA. For example, the most common speed limit on motorways within cities is 55 mph. 15 mph is a common speed limit near schools at the times of day when children are likely to be using the crosswalks. Speed limits that aren't an odd

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

Speed limits even n4 On August 17, 2014 7:43:03 AM CDT, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Sun, 2014-08-17 at 02:22 +0200, Andreas Vilén wrote: > > The user in question now told me he's been using the Wisepilot > > app: http://www.appello.com/apps/wisepilot/ and seemed totally > > oblivious to it being a

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

Did the app have a standard position when the GPS doesn't work properly or is not active, considering all the notes in several different languages, that are constantly created in the same location in central Stockholm? The ones that are clustered around a residential area in a small village in Swe

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

Then there are what I expect are temporary limits for some reason being reported. Such as http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/219321#c438501 The permanent limit here is correctly posted as 70 mph. Phil (trigpoint) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreet

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

On Sun, 2014-08-17 at 02:22 +0200, Andreas Vilén wrote: > The user in question now told me he's been using the Wisepilot > app: http://www.appello.com/apps/wisepilot/ and seemed totally > oblivious to it being a mystery, and that it creates strange and > unhelpful notes in most cases. > > > I'm g

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

I opened an issue about this a year ago and apparently it came up in an EWG meeting as well. But talk and issues don't write code. https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/385 Toby On Aug 16, 2014 8:10 PM, "colliar" wrote: > Am 16.08.2014 08:28, schrieb Maarten Deen: > > On

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

Am 16.08.2014 08:28, schrieb Maarten Deen: > On 2014-08-16 01:48, Andreas Vilén wrote: >> This continues to be really annoying, and the obvious spam seems to >> cluster at a few locations, where 10-20 notes can be created with the >> same information. The maker of this app must be made clear that n

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

The user in question now told me he's been using the Wisepilot app: http://www.appello.com/apps/wisepilot/ and seemed totally oblivious to it being a mystery, and that it creates strange and unhelpful notes in most cases. I'm guessing Wisepilot doesn't make it very clear what happens when someone

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

Uhm, no, that's not it... Look at http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/57.9221/12.5033&layers=N for example. Also, at least 40-50 notes have been created on this exact location: http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/215471 That leads me to believe that that position is the "zero position" of the app us

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

On 08/16/2014 01:34 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 2014-08-16 8:28 GMT+02:00 Maarten Deen >: On 2014-08-16 01:48, Andreas Vilén wrote: This continues to be really annoying, and the obvious spam seems to cluster at a few locations, where 10-20 no

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

I noticed that note was actually made by a logged in user so I tried asking where the notes were coming from and got the answer "Wrong speed limit on a speed camera" together with a "sent from my iphone with http://midpoint.se/ " and nothing else... I have no idea what midpoint is but it feels like

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

Like this one: http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/220298 It says "map error: general map error: error"... On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > 2014-08-16 8:28 GMT+02:00 Maarten Deen : > > On 2014-08-16 01:48, Andreas Vilén wrote: >> >>> This continues to be really annoying

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

2014-08-16 8:28 GMT+02:00 Maarten Deen : > On 2014-08-16 01:48, Andreas Vilén wrote: > >> This continues to be really annoying, and the obvious spam seems to >> cluster at a few locations, where 10-20 notes can be created with the >> same information. The maker of this app must be made clear that

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

On 2014-08-16 01:48, Andreas Vilén wrote: This continues to be really annoying, and the obvious spam seems to cluster at a few locations, where 10-20 notes can be created with the same information. The maker of this app must be made clear that notes can't work like this, and users would at least

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

This continues to be really annoying, and the obvious spam seems to cluster at a few locations, where 10-20 notes can be created with the same information. The maker of this app must be made clear that notes can't work like this, and users would at least be required to give some contact information

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

On 08/11/2014 12:38 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Il giorno 11/ago/2014, alle ore 12:25, Norbert Wenzel > ha scritto: >> A lot of messages posted with the same text and known to be of dubious >> quality > > Have there been cases where at the time the note was created the speed limit > in osm

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

On Mon, 2014-08-11 at 09:54 +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 10/08/14 21:16, Norbert Wenzel wrote: > > > Since these notes are automatically generated there's no on you could > > ask for clarifications, which is needed for all issues. And that has > > been tried. The quality of these reports has alre

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

On Mon, 2014-08-11 at 12:38 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Have there been cases where at the time the note was created the speed limit > in osm was actually correct? > Yes, this one which I closed yesterday, http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/214534 Only to now spot this one appearing.

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

Il giorno 11/ago/2014, alle ore 12:25, Norbert Wenzel ha scritto: >> Anyway "Incorrect speed limit" is one that needs a survey, but not >> really clarification. > > You could solve every problem in OSM by survey, but what's the point of > notes saying "survey needed"? It is like a fix me, i

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

On 08/11/2014 10:29 AM, Ed Loach wrote: >> Since these notes are automatically generated there's no on you >> could >> ask for clarifications, which is needed for all issues. > > Are we still talking "Incorrect speed limit"? What clarification > does that need? [...] The start and end of the spe

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

> Il giorno 11/ago/2014, alle ore 10:29, "Ed Loach" ha > scritto: > > Anyway "Incorrect speed limit" is one that needs a survey, but not > really clarification. +1, I also don't think this can be reported "automatically" (a preconfigured text is not something I'd call "automatically reporti

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

On 10/08/14 21:16, Norbert Wenzel wrote: Since these notes are automatically generated there's no on you could ask for clarifications, which is needed for all issues. And that has been tried. The quality of these reports has already been discussed on this list so I don't see any value in these n

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

Hi, A distinction between field notes and armchair IMHO goes too far. Instead a kind of "field flag" might help, which can be seen as "this note has to be reviewed by someone with detailled on-the-ground knowledge or being present on the ground". On the other hand there's the "problem" of an incre

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

> Since these notes are automatically generated there's no on you > could > ask for clarifications, which is needed for all issues. Are we still talking "Incorrect speed limit"? What clarification does that need? I used to get a lot of similar reports from Skobbler, so mapped all the local speed

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

On 08/10/2014 09:42 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> Il giorno 09/ago/2014, alle ore 13:56, Norbert Wenzel >> ha scritto: >> >> just seeing these notes along a >> motorway every few kilometers. And since these messages don't tell what >> the actual speed limit should be and where it starts it ge

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

On Sun, 2014-08-10 at 15:13 +0100, John Sturdy wrote: > I wonder whether these "incorrect speed limit" notes might not be > reporting that the speed limit on the map isn't what it is on the > road, but someone objecting to what the speed limit on the road is, > and making a token protest about it?

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

On 10/08/2014 11:50, JB wrote: Hello, I think I will reopen the debate here, by asking a simple question: how many of those saying "hey, let this note open, it does no harm to anybody" have actually browsed a country for its opened notes and tried to close them? Yes, I do this all the time,

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

I wonder whether these "incorrect speed limit" notes might not be reporting that the speed limit on the map isn't what it is on the road, but someone objecting to what the speed limit on the road is, and making a token protest about it? On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 1:24 PM, JB wrote: > Have a look t

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

Have a look there: https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/486 If categories are create (and I think they should), I would still add private notes/heavy duty work JB. Le 10/08/2014 14:10, Matthijs Melissen a écrit : I see a lot of comments like this. The underlying probl

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

I see a lot of comments like this. The underlying problem seems to be that it is not clear whether notes are meant for armchair mappers, or for surveyors in the field. I think both types of notes are useful: that way the notes can serve as a two-way communication between mappers in the field (for

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

Hello, I think I will reopen the debate here, by asking a simple question: how many of those saying "hey, let this note open, it does no harm to anybody" have actually browsed a country for its opened notes and tried to close them? How many have done the same with openstreetbugs during its las

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

> Il giorno 09/ago/2014, alle ore 13:56, Norbert Wenzel > ha scritto: > > just seeing these notes along a > motorway every few kilometers. And since these messages don't tell what > the actual speed limit should be and where it starts it gets really > annoying to close all these automatically

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

On 07/29/2014 01:06 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 28/07/14 23:38, Michał Brzozowski wrote: > >> Recently I saw anonymous notes being added of the form "Incorrect >> speed limit. Reported speed limit is X km/h". >> Here's a search query: >> http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/notes/search?q=Incorrect

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

> Am 29/lug/2014 um 13:39 schrieb Peter Wendorff : > > as it is even more difficult (if > possible) to detect where there are errors (!) in existing speed limits. personally I also map sign positions (nodes aside the road), because it really helps for verifying what is mapped on the road, how

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

Hi Peter, Unfortunately we don’t take account of any country defaults due to the complexities involved. I’m sure that someone will come up with a tool to highlight the problems if a national speed limit does change, especially if the maxspeed:type is used appropriately. Shaun On 29 Jul 2014,

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

On 29 Jul 2014, at 13:07, Janko Mihelić wrote: > 2014-07-29 13:39 GMT+02:00 Peter Wendorff : > Hi Shaun, > > if I understand these maps correctly, they show streets without a > maxspeed tag, but not msising maxspeed restrictions under the assumption > of a national default or something like tha

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

2014-07-29 13:39 GMT+02:00 Peter Wendorff : > Hi Shaun, > > if I understand these maps correctly, they show streets without a > maxspeed tag, but not msising maxspeed restrictions under the assumption > of a national default or something like that (although it seems not so > show any "missing maxs

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

Hi Shaun, if I understand these maps correctly, they show streets without a maxspeed tag, but not msising maxspeed restrictions under the assumption of a national default or something like that (although it seems not so show any "missing maxspeed" in Germany, so there might be something like that

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

Hello, Not sure it is safe to go on such a discussion that may turn sour soon only because of different views on how notes should be used… Lets say I try to keep the db as clean as possible without getting too much angryness here in France, but am also wondering on how the situation will look

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

Hi Peter, The following ITO Map shows missing maxspeed tags where there isn’t any purple (mph maxspeed) or dark green (km/h maxspeed) colour: http://www.itoworld.com/map/125?lon=-0.08316&lat=51.51851&zoom=14&open_sidebar=map_key&fullscreen=true If you want to see the current speed limits see: ht

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

Sorry, there are QA tools to detect where speed limits are missing? Can you give me a link? And - if it's not self explaining: how should that work? I don't see any way to detect missing speed limits in the data beyond cases where those are implicit defaults, like 100 on non-trunk roads away from b

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

I don't necessarily want to analyse once more how the notes are opened, closed or not closed and to what aim, nor analyse the end of OpenStreetBug life and the quality of the remaining bugs, but in France, I have never ever seen anyone comment on someone else's note (or « resurvey »). The only

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

On 29/07/14 07:29, Norbert Wenzel wrote: On 07/29/2014 01:43 AM, John Packer wrote: I'm from Brazil, and recently the community started reporting similar notes, though translated in portuguese, and with the same problems... Besides some obviously wrong values, there are some you can't even say w

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

On 29/07/2014 08:32, JB wrote: Anyway, as for most notes concerning speed limits, if you do no have the beginning and the end of the limit, at least in France, the information is quite useless. Are we all armchair mappers now? Surely the note should prompt someone local to go out to the loca

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

> Am 29/lug/2014 um 09:32 schrieb JB : > > Anyway, as for most notes concerning speed limits, if you do no have the > beginning and the end of the limit, at least in France, the information is > quite useless. +1, at best this can be a hint to resurvey (if positional accuracy is sufficient

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

In French, I understand the message as « the speed limit in OSM is 0/5/15/90 km, that is incorrect », but the speed limit indicated does not match that of any road in OSM close to the point. Do you understand the english messages the same way? Anyway, as for most notes concerning speed limits, i

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

On 07/29/2014 01:43 AM, John Packer wrote: > I'm from Brazil, and recently the community started reporting similar > notes, though translated in portuguese, and with the same problems... > Besides some obviously wrong values, there are some you can't even say > where exactly they would apply to. A

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

I'm from Brazil, and recently the community started reporting similar notes, though translated in portuguese, and with the same problems... Besides some obviously wrong values, there are some you can't even say where exactly they would apply to. There's been at least some 60 of those in portuguese

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

They also appear in French: "Limitation de vitesse inappropriée. La limitation de vitesse signalée est X km/h" And in Portugese: "Limite de velocidade incorreto. O limite de velocidade informado é X km/h" also Finnish, Czech, Swedish, Italian... Oh, you can just view all of them by searching "km/h

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

Interesting. The coverage of these notes is almost global. I don't see any in South America or Australia but otherwise there are some on each continent. I also see some reported speed limits in the U.S. in km/h which is most likely not correct. Once upon a time I suggested adding a kind of create

Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

On 28/07/14 23:38, Michał Brzozowski wrote: Recently I saw anonymous notes being added of the form "Incorrect speed limit. Reported speed limit is X km/h". Here's a search query: http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/notes/search?q=Incorrect%20speed%20limit.%20Reported%20speed%20limit%20is As th

[OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

Recently I saw anonymous notes being added of the form "Incorrect speed limit. Reported speed limit is X km/h". Here's a search query: http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/notes/search?q=Incorrect%20speed%20limit.%20Reported%20speed%20limit%20is As they all are generated from a template, I guess t