Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-22 Thread Lester Caine
John Smith wrote: On 22 March 2010 12:24, Mike N.nice...@att.net wrote: In your point b), do you mean that if we did use boundary relations that there would not be an issue with boundaries and roads being co-mingled and mis-edited? The problem with this is when boundaries or roads move

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-22 Thread John Smith
On 22 March 2010 17:32, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: There has to be a very good reason for REMOVING any data, and the assertion that we can in general 'remove multiple ways' is only acceptable if the project is also going to adopt the rule 'we will never map detail'? Perhaps it is

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-22 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:32 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: We NEED as a mater of urgency an agreed method of MANAGING groups of ways that at a low zoom level define a single linear object, but at higher zoom levels show that the 'boundaries', carriage ways and structure are

[OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread Jeff Spirko
Hi, all, Many of the administrative boundaries in my area follow roads (or vice versa). (E.g. http://osm.org/go/Zcll6ubE?layers=B000TTF ) It seems like the TIGER import has a separate list of nodes for the two ways (one administrative and one road), but the nodes are at identical locations.

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread Patrick Kilian
Hi, Many of the administrative boundaries in my area follow roads (or vice versa). (E.g. http://osm.org/go/Zcll6ubE?layers=B000TTF ) It seems like the TIGER import has a separate list of nodes for the two ways (one administrative and one road), but the nodes are at identical locations.

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread Ian Dees
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Jeff Spirko spi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all, Many of the administrative boundaries in my area follow roads (or vice versa). (E.g. http://osm.org/go/Zcll6ubE?layers=B000TTF ) It seems like the TIGER import has a separate list of nodes for the two ways (one

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Jeff Spirko spi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all, Many of the administrative boundaries in my area follow roads (or vice versa). (E.g. http://osm.org/go/Zcll6ubE?layers=B000TTF ) It seems like the TIGER import has a separate list of nodes for the two ways (one

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread Mike N.
How about 4: delete the TIGER imported administrative boundaries? In my experience a) they're not very good, and b) we should be using boundary relations anyway. How will boundary relations help? They must still refer to a closed way in order to define the administrative boundary.

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread Mike N.
How about 4: delete the TIGER imported administrative boundaries? In my experience a) they're not very good, and b) we should be using boundary relations anyway. How will boundary relations help? They must still refer to a closed way in order to define the administrative boundary.

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 March 2010 10:12, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: browsers to reduce problems, especially with newbies that don't get editors, now browsers... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 March 2010 07:35, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: How will boundary relations help? They must still refer to a closed way in order to define the administrative boundary. Maybe he meant re-use the road as part of a relation, instead of having 2 ways that share the same path... Due to

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread Jeff Spirko
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 8:12 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 March 2010 07:35, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote:   How will boundary relations help?  They must still refer to a closed way in order to define the administrative boundary. Maybe he meant re-use the road as part

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: How about 4: delete the TIGER imported administrative boundaries? In my experience a) they're not very good, and b) we should be using boundary relations anyway. How will boundary relations help? They must still refer to a

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: How will boundary relations help what? If you were asking how they help in general, see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:boundary In particular, they Make it easier to stitch all the parts of a border to each other and

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread Mike N.
In your point b), do you mean that if we did use boundary relations that there would not be an issue with boundaries and roads being co-mingled and mis-edited? From: Anthony Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 8:41 PM To: Mike N. Cc: Jeff Spirko ; OSM Talk Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 March 2010 12:24, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: In your point b), do you mean that if we did use boundary relations that there would not be an issue with boundaries and roads being co-mingled and mis-edited? The problem with this is when boundaries or roads move independent of each

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: In your point b), do you mean that if we did use boundary relations that there would not be an issue with boundaries and roads being co-mingled and mis-edited? The use of boundary relations doesn't prevent people from

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 March 2010 13:31, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: 1) How so?  In the worst case scenario you have an equal-sized mess.  Can you give an example? Because you are trying to hit a moving target... 2) In most cases of road-realignment you generally *want* to move the boundary at the same

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 11:40 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 22 March 2010 13:31, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: 1) How so? In the worst case scenario you have an equal-sized mess. Can you give an example? Because you are trying to hit a moving target... What does

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 March 2010 13:53, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: What does that mean? It means you probably haven't done much with boundaries and have yet to experience the pleasure of people screwing them up repeatedly because they're linked to other objects... Postcodes are a whole different story.  At

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 11:59 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 22 March 2010 13:53, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: True. What's your point? That you haven't actually done much work on boundaries to figure this all out for yourself and the pitfalls of some of the suggestions

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 March 2010 14:15, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: YOU said that I meant re-use the road as part of a relation. But in fact I did not. My position on that is that sometimes that is a good idea. And sometimes it isn't. It's really case-dependent. If a boundary is legally And how would

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:28 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 22 March 2010 14:15, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: YOU said that I meant re-use the road as part of a relation. But in fact I did not. My position on that is that sometimes that is a good idea. And

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 March 2010 14:32, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: By reading the legal definition, of course. Same way I'd determine what the border is in the first place. How many borders in the US are there exactly? ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:42 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 22 March 2010 14:32, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: By reading the legal definition, of course. Same way I'd determine what the border is in the first place. How many borders in the US are there exactly? 3.

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 March 2010 14:51, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:42 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 March 2010 14:32, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: By reading the legal definition, of course. Same way I'd determine what the border is in the first