Re: [OSM-talk] Affordable 1 CM high precision GPS.

2024-05-09 Thread Mike N.
On 5/9/2024 5:33 AM, Florian Lohoff wrote: At least in Germany we have a grid of Basestations which offer their RTCM 3.1/3.2 Data via NTRIP which is called SAPOS. As there are huge differences between different states at least in some of them its for Free. When I last looked 5 years ago, the

Re: [OSM-talk] Affordable 1 CM high precision GPS.

2024-05-09 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hi, On Tue, May 07, 2024 at 12:34:51PM +0200, Hartmut Holzgraefe wrote: > On 5/5/24 21:40, Greg Troxel wrote: > > but it (15cm georeferenced aerial images) does not work in tree cover > > not having watched the video either, and having just a very basic > understanding of RTK, but wouldn't

Re: [OSM-talk] Affordable 1 CM high precision GPS.

2024-05-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I am used to different procedures, towards the beginning of a construction operation, a publicly appointed surveyor (Öffentlich bestellter Vermessungsingenieur) defines a local coordinate system and marks it on the ground (e.g. marks building outlines, site limits etc.), as well as relates it to

Re: [OSM-talk] Affordable 1 CM high precision GPS.

2024-05-08 Thread Greg Troxel
John Whelan writes: > I hesitate to say what is relevant to OpenStreetMap.  For example many > trees are mapped but locally we lost about a quarter of them in a > recent storm.  Is mapping all the trees in Canada relevant to > OpenStreetMap?  Keeping the number of trees up to date or even shop >

Re: [OSM-talk] Affordable 1 CM high precision GPS.

2024-05-08 Thread John Whelan
I hesitate to say what is relevant to OpenStreetMap.  For example many trees are mapped but locally we lost about a quarter of them in a recent storm.  Is mapping all the trees in Canada relevant to OpenStreetMap?  Keeping the number of trees up to date or even shop opening hours for that

Re: [OSM-talk] Affordable 1 CM high precision GPS.

2024-05-08 Thread Greg Troxel
john whelan writes: > For some reason building sites, especially large ones, use GPS as a quick > way to measure things rather than setting up a theodolite which needs a > trained person to use it. But this is not relevant to OSM, merely perhaps interesting to nerds that care about positioning.

Re: [OSM-talk] Affordable 1 CM high precision GPS.

2024-05-08 Thread john whelan
For some reason building sites, especially large ones, use GPS as a quick way to measure things rather than setting up a theodolite which needs a trained person to use it. Cheerio John On Wed, May 8, 2024, 05:39 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 7 May 2024, at 23:56,

Re: [OSM-talk] Affordable 1 CM high precision GPS.

2024-05-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7 May 2024, at 23:56, john whelan wrote: > > So if you're building something in a remote location and not buried in the > forest it might actually be useful. in remote locations it doesn’t seem very relevant to get cm precision from GNSS. You could just mark any

Re: [OSM-talk] Affordable 1 CM high precision GPS.

2024-05-07 Thread john whelan
Just to take this a little further there is one application that comes to mind which is construction where accuracy to the cm is useful. Certainly these days it is used commercially. So if you're building something in a remote location and not buried in the forest it might actually be useful.

Re: [OSM-talk] Affordable 1 CM high precision GPS.

2024-05-07 Thread Greg Troxel
Hartmut Holzgraefe writes: > On 5/5/24 21:40, Greg Troxel wrote: >> but it (15cm georeferenced aerial images) does not work in tree cover > > not having watched the video either, and having just a very basic > understanding of RTK, but wouldn't that basically be affected by > reflections from

Re: [OSM-talk] Affordable 1 CM high precision GPS.

2024-05-07 Thread Hartmut Holzgraefe
On 5/5/24 21:40, Greg Troxel wrote: but it (15cm georeferenced aerial images) does not work in tree cover not having watched the video either, and having just a very basic understanding of RTK, but wouldn't that basically be affected by reflections from trees the same way as regular GPS,

Re: [OSM-talk] Affordable 1 CM high precision GPS.

2024-05-05 Thread Greg Troxel
john whelan writes: > It depends on the requirements. I think mapping from Bing imagery is quite > reasonable and that isn't done to 1 cm accuracy. Sure. mapping from 15 cm imagery that is actually georeferenced properly is 100% fine but it does not work in tree cover. Also actually

Re: [OSM-talk] Affordable 1 CM high precision GPS.

2024-05-05 Thread john whelan
It depends on the requirements. I think mapping from Bing imagery is quite reasonable and that isn't done to 1 cm accuracy. However as you point out there are other solutions and I'm not advocating one specific solution merely that it exists. If there is a requirement that needs high accuracy

Re: [OSM-talk] Affordable 1 CM high precision GPS.

2024-05-05 Thread Greg Troxel
John Whelan writes: > Search Youtube for "Andreas Spiess ESP32 precision GPS receiver > (incl. RTK-GPS Tutorial)"  I deliberately haven't put a direct link > in. > > It needs packaging and documenting but I think this sort of > differential GPS could be very useful in accurate mapping. comments

[OSM-talk] Affordable 1 CM high precision GPS.

2024-05-05 Thread John Whelan
Search Youtube for "Andreas Spiess ESP32 precision GPS receiver (incl. RTK-GPS Tutorial)"  I deliberately haven't put a direct link in. It needs packaging and documenting but I think this sort of differential GPS could be very useful in accurate mapping. Cheerio John -- Sent from Postbox