Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote on 15/09/2011 03:51:11 PM:
I definitely do NOT want a *diploma* system
with less or more approved users.. N
We don't want OSM to change into Brave New World,
1984 or distinct between users on other characteristics
History is full of such
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Onderwerp: RE: [OSM-talk] Barriers of Entry
Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote on 15/09/2011 03:51:11 PM:
I definitely do NOT want a *diploma* system
with less or more approved users.. N
We don't want OSM to change into Brave New World,
1984 or distinct between users
Hi,
If a novice wants to start with JOSM , so be it, but we want
him to be attracted to something he understands right now
and prefer that before understanding the power of a real
editor.
A simple idea: Why can't a user give (for each edit, but default
being preferencable) the level of
On 9/15/2011 2:07 AM, Ian Sergeant wrote:
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Hi.
I don't think that would help - at least as you miss the distinction
between data and information.
(Especially) for beginners the problem isn't the reliability of the
information they have (most beginners do not start armchair-mapping, at
least not without introduction of others, I think),
I'm glad that you both agree so closely.
Paraphrasing Frederik, Not all barriers are bad.
Paraphrasing Serge, Not all barriers are good.
[removed many analogies]
I'd like to see needless barriers to understanding and using
OpenStreetMap reduced or removed. I think that we have done that
You lost me here, definitely ... ;((
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Van: Richard Weait [mailto:rich...@weait.com]
Verzonden: donderdag 15 september 2011 20:55
Aan: talk@openstreetmap.org
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Barriers of Entry
I'm glad that you both agree so closely.
Paraphrasing
I said:
Training and skills acquisition before undertaking complex tasks is
a fairly commonplace activity in our society.
Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote on 15/09/2011 04:50:11 PM:
No but the difference between Stalinism and OSM is that we do not
*oblige*
people to follow a
Ian Sergeant iserg...@hih.com.au wrote:
I said:
Training and skills acquisition before undertaking complex tasks is
a fairly commonplace activity in our society.
Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote on 15/09/2011 04:50:11 PM:
No but the difference between Stalinism and OSM is
Hi,
there are many different types of barriers. There are of course
those we tag with barrier, the physical ones. They are used to keep
unwanted, unauthorized or unsuitable people or vehicles out. There are
barriers of entry in the form of entrance exams at places like
universities, with
Hi Frederik
+0.5 to your thoughts.
On the one hand, yes, I agree: We should not aim to make OSM look like
not needing any skills, but on the other hand there are in fact parts of
OSM where help with not much more skills than taking a dog for a walk
is possible.
That is not necessarily the
There's no difference between someone who goes through the
traditional signup process and messes up the data VS someone coming in
via a Facebook login or the Friendly page and messes up the data.
It's only a question of scale - do we pick up enough quality users from
convenient logins to
Hi,
On 14.09.2011 09:24, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Barriers of entry are good if they accurately reflect the demands that
lie further down the road. A barrier that prohibits 3m wide vehicles
from entering a tunnel that will narrow down to less than 3m in the
middle is not an arbitrary restriction
Barriers to entry are good when they prevent us from doing some thing bad.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Hi,
there are many different types of barriers. There are of course those we
tag with barrier, the physical ones. They are used to keep
I respectfully disagree with most of your email, comments inline:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Hi,
There are barriers of
entry in the form of entrance exams at places like universities, with the
aim of assessing the likelihood of someone
Hi,
On 09/14/2011 08:07 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
I'm concerned about uneducated newbies messing up OSM, so we need
ways to prevent that.
Hm, not really.
My post was actually aiming at those who *without further thinking*
claim that tearing down barriers was always a good thing.
If you
Wroclawski [mailto:emac...@gmail.com]
Verzonden: woensdag 14 september 2011 20:08
Aan: Frederik Ramm
CC: Talk Openstreetmap
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Barriers of Entry
I respectfully disagree with most of your email, comments inline:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote
Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote on 15/09/2011 04:43:43 AM:
I am not sure yet on what to do with such edits when
detected yet, but what the heck, we are thousands to find a solution
Sounds like a problem that may be solved by some kind of graduated access
scheme.
Anyone can sign
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From: Ian Sergeant iserg...@hih.com.au
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:02:08
To: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmeng.grem...@cetest.nl
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Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Barriers of Entry
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I very much like Ian's idea. Coincidentally I talked about this with
some people at SotM.
It seems to me that a number of people have started editing osm after a
significant delay because they've felt the barriers badly (both
regarding tools
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