Re: [OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Andrew Guertin wrote: > On 01/04/2017 03:03 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 1:04 AM, Steve Bennett >> wrote: >> I've yet to hear of any evidence that OSM is being used at all. I'm sure >> someone

Re: [OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users

On 01/04/2017 03:03 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 1:04 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: I've yet to hear of any evidence that OSM is being used at all. I'm sure someone from our web team might be able to locate Niantic IPs if we really drilled down and it happened

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Bill Ricker writes: > The PokeStop was at our exact target, "1899 MIT Observatory site" which is > moderately well known (on the park map, in FourSquare). [1] > http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/944663159#map=19/42.44109/-71.08359=D https://www.ingress.com/intel?pll=42.441303,-71.085092 >

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As an ingress player, I can confirm use of ingress data for pokestops and gyms. Same location descriptions and images submitted by ingress players. Ingress saw a huge influx of new users when Pokemon Go launched. People created ingress accounts just so that they could use the ingress Intel map to

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users

On 2017.01.05. 22:34, Bill Ricker wrote: > I have a possible confirmation that PokeGo is using OSM Points of > Interest to populate features, but not of edit vandalism. > > We went onto local hiking trails to document some local science history, > taking my daughter along for company and having

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I have a possible confirmation that PokeGo is using OSM Points of Interest to populate features, but not of edit vandalism. We went onto local hiking trails to document some local science history, taking my daughter along for company and having someone under 50 to keep an eye on us oldsters. She

Re: [OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 1:04 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > Just a question which no one seems to have addressed - is there any > evidence that Go is actually using a *feed* of OSM data, rather than just a > one-off dump? It's really rare, IMHO, for anyone to bother with a feed

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No, there is no evidence of diffs being used. Heck, there isn't even hard evidence that they are using OSM data at all yet. And I agree, if they are actually using OSM, it is most likely a snapshot that gets updated only periodically. But once there are enough reddit threads about it, it doesn't

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Hey everyone, Just a question which no one seems to have addressed - is there any evidence that Go is actually using a *feed* of OSM data, rather than just a one-off dump? It's really rare, IMHO, for anyone to bother with a feed for a project like this - so much easier to just get a planet

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On søndag den 1. januar 2017 01.32.53 CET Russ Nelson wrote: > moltonel 3x Combo writes: > > While this is only an anecdotal result, there are clearly a lot more > > spawns on this walk than in the surrounding area (I regularly get > > 10-15 spawns on this 700m footway, but only 1-2 covering

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On 1 January 2017 06:32:53 GMT+00:00, Russ Nelson wrote: >moltonel 3x Combo writes: > > While this is only an anecdotal result, there are clearly a lot more > > spawns on this walk than in the surrounding area (I regularly get > > 10-15 spawns on this 700m footway, but only

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On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 3:29 AM, Oleksiy Muzalyev < oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch> wrote: > It is a good news that new users got involved. But they should be made > aware that the OSM is a part of an infrastructure of the whole communities. > For example, the Public Transport of the city of

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It is a good news that new users got involved. But they should be made aware that the OSM is a part of an infrastructure of the whole communities. For example, the Public Transport of the city of Stockholm, Sweden, is based on the OSM map: http://sl.se/en/ . Delivery services, supplying people

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moltonel 3x Combo writes: > While this is only an anecdotal result, there are clearly a lot more > spawns on this walk than in the surrounding area (I regularly get > 10-15 spawns on this 700m footway, but only 1-2 covering the same > distance along the primary to get there). > > IMHO, the

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moltonel 3x Combo writes: > While this is only an anecdotal result, there are clearly a lot more > spawns on this walk than in the surrounding area (I regularly get > 10-15 spawns on this 700m footway, but only 1-2 covering the same > distance along the primary to get there). > > IMHO, the

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To have a gamified way to contribute to OSM was my original idea for StreetComplete[1]. There should be leaderboards, badges/achievements and different stats, also different quest givers/categories each with own pictures (like i.e. on WikiMapia), a possibility to form teams and compete with each

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Hi, well, perhaps there are single cases where valid data has been reverted. But in general new mappers are a good thing and that's why there's a blog post on the official blog that imho is written in a very inclusive tone. Perhaps you want to share it in the discussion with the Pokemon Go

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As an update to my original message: I have been active on /r/TheSilphRoad over the past couple of days commenting and clarifying some things. I have seen a couple other OSMers there too. Yesterday someone started a discussion titled "Our impact on OSM, might be bad" so at least the POGO

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Hi everyone! I think it's safe to say that this thread has wandered way off topic. Please keep messages constructive and on-topic. A great place to discuss the license and implications of others' use of OSM data are the couple legal mailing lists. Thanks, and happy new year! -Ian, your friendly

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On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Simon Poole wrote: > The ODbL is very clear on what "Publicly" is: > > “Publicly” – means to Persons other than You or under Your control by > either more than 50% ownership or by the power to direct their > activities (such as contracting with an

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The ODbL is very clear on what "Publicly" is: “Publicly” – means to Persons other than You or under Your control by either more than 50% ownership or by the power to direct their activities (such as contracting with an independent consultant). No need to speculate on that point. On the other

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > Can you help me understand what part of the ODbL [1] they are violating? > As far I can tell, they don't modify the data nor do they display OSM tiles > or make any of the data available (​It was not my

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On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Bill Ricker wrote: > > ​Traditional map copyright violation proof would be adding a Trap Close​ > ... do the have a map that shows name of feature that spawns critters? > Adding a nonsense footpath to no-where (shaped like a P ? ) in a >

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On 30 December 2016 18:50:17 GMT+00:00, Paul Johnson wrote: >What's the elevator pitch for Kort? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kort_Game It's a gamified way to edit osm, which is good but unlikely to attract non-OSMers. I'd like something that is more geared

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On 2016.12.30. 21:19, Bill Ricker wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Paul Johnson > wrote: > > I wonder how we would politely license-check Niantic... > > > ​Traditional map copyright violation proof would be adding a Trap Close​

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On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > I wonder how we would politely license-check Niantic... ​Traditional map copyright violation proof would be adding a Trap Close​ ... do the have a map that shows name of feature that spawns critters? Adding a nonsense

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Warin said: "Targeting Pokemon contributors falls into a trap... the assumption that a particular activity/group are all inclined to vandalism. These new contributors could be very usefull ... if 'we' don't tar them all with abusive thoughts." Most definitely, we should assume good faith -- but

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On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jack Burke wrote: > They're using the same map they used in Ingress, a game they launched when > still part of Google. That one is known to have come from Google. It makes > sense that any map databases they had when the break happened would

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They're using the same map they used in Ingress, a game they launched when still part of Google. That one is known to have come from Google. It makes sense that any map databases they had when the break happened would still be owned by the company; they just wouldn't have maps that included

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On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 11:01 AM, moltonel wrote: > Something like Kort but for non-mapers. Something *I'd want to play*, but > which allowed me to qa/improve osm during a game session. Probably have AR > as the main/only play mode, have plenty of osm tags effect the game >

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On 30 December 2016 14:45:54 GMT+00:00, Paul Johnson wrote: >I had a related theory that's pretty much what Google was using Ingress >for >last year. Lost to the ethers is where I theorized in a group hangout >for >the local Ingress community that the POIs entered as

Re: [OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 2:13 AM, David Kewley wrote: > Yes, true. And wouldn't it be cool if there were workable ways to turn > accurate mapping into a compelling game? :) I know this is not a new idea, > but PoGo certainly has gotten my interest, since it's been so

Re: [OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 11:47 PM, Nicolás Alvarez wrote: > > > El 28 dic 2016, a las 02:34, Nick Hocking > escribió: > > > > How about we ask the game maker to code in (and let slip in social > media) that lots of new pokemon stuff may appear

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On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Targeting Pokemon contributors falls into a trap... the assumption that a > particular activity/group are all inclined to vandalism. Another trap, too: Assuming that Niantic and/or Nintendo are using OpenStreetMap for this

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For what it's worth, I tested the hypothesis that Go uses OSM by walking http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/142843552. It's a highway=footway inside a leisure=park, which I added in OSM years ago and still isn't in Google, Bing, ESRI, or HERE (they do have the rest of the town mapped). This town is

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Yes, true. And wouldn't it be cool if there were workable ways to turn accurate mapping into a compelling game? :) I know this is not a new idea, but PoGo certainly has gotten my interest, since it's been so motivating for folks to add to OSM. I'd say that between PoGo motivating folks to add to

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> El 28 dic 2016, a las 02:34, Nick Hocking escribió: > > How about we ask the game maker to code in (and let slip in social media) > that lots of new pokemon stuff may appear on every OSM residential road, > outside a residence that has a street number (in OSM) equal

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How about we ask the game maker to code in (and let slip in social media) that lots of new pokemon stuff may appear on every OSM residential road, outside a residence that has a street number (in OSM) equal to todays day number (e.g 28 - for today). Of course all the other OSM address tags must

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Targeting Pokemon contributors falls into a trap... the assumption that a particular activity/group are all inclined to vandalism. These new contributors could be very usefull ... if 'we' don't tar them all with abusive thoughts. On 28-Dec-16 10:50 AM, Rod Bera wrote: Hi Andy, just to make

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Hi Andy, just to make myself understood: improving the db by adding relevant features and tags is a good thing for everyone, even though those doing so (literally everyone) do it in places they chose with tags they're interested in. To me this is working for the community. This does not degrade

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Just to pick up one point from this... On 26/12/16 11:36, Rod Bera wrote: Systematic bias put into the OSM base towards maximising benefits for a minority of users is a threat. Especially when the primary interest of these users is not OSM in itself. Sounds like I'm bang to rights there!

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Throwing my two cents, Recently Portugal has been receiving a lot of new members and the vast majority of them focus on adding paths and parks around a small area. There has been an increase of bad mapping happening, see [1], [2], [3], [4] to name a few. I blame those Pokemon Go users that

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Well, and apologies if this appears in any way snarky, you appear not to have welcomed any Pokemon users, whereas the person that you are criticising has (e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/44637591 )... OSM really doesn't need people more people telling other people what they

Re: [OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users

On 25 December 2016 at 17:17, Toby Murray wrote: > Beware Pokemon users You appear to have accidentally typed "Beware Pokemon users", where the correct subject would be "Please Welcome Pokemon users". HTH, and Merry Christmas! -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing

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Hi all, Thank you Toby for you vigilance. I do share Clifford's concern about OSM being tweaked/vandalised. Systematic bias put into the OSM base towards maximising benefits for a minority of users is a threat. Especially when the primary interest of these users is not OSM in itself. Also, to

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I've been seeing a number of new users adding paths and parks. I deleted three "parks" in Tacoma Washington just this morning. One was covering a residential area, another was a group of trees behind some houses and the third was a vacant lot. The area with the trees might have been an attempt to

Re: [OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users

I've been seeing a number of new users adding paths and parks. I deleted three "parks" in Tacoma Washington just this morning. One was covering a residential area, another was a group of trees behind some houses and the third was a vacant lot. The area with the trees might have been an attempt to

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Someone should mentioned to the Pokémon players that if they correctly fix up TIGER data & other imports the spawn rate is significantly higher, not to mention the amazing effects of adding genuine buildings, shops, addresses and other amenities. Based on my unauthoritative unqualified zero sample

[OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users

There was a video uploaded to YouTube a couple of days ago that claims to show some possible evidence that Pokemon Go uses data from OSM to determine good spawn locations for Pokemon. There are also several threads on reddit under /r/TheSilphRoad that have similar claims. It is amusing to see