Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database

2014-08-24 Thread Lester Caine
On 23/08/14 16:29, Clifford Snow wrote: On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 2:20 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: http://openstreetmap.us/iD/release/#background=Bingmap=17.00/-83.15249/36.43657 is the one I'm currently on and leaving as it's impossible to

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database

2014-08-24 Thread Lester Caine
On 24/08/14 05:48, James Mast wrote: So, as you can see, there are still a few flaws in the MapRoulette smoothing challenge. And unfortunately, not everybody seems to acknowledge that there might be a false positive here and there and mark it as such. Maybe a stronger warning could be given,

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database

2014-08-24 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/24/2014 2:48 AM, Lester Caine wrote: It's not the 'brightness - it's the compressed contrast which is has always been the problem with iD. maproulette does not link to potlatch2 which I'd normally use when not on a system with JOSM running ... iD does not compress imagery contrast. I just

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database

2014-08-24 Thread Lester Caine
On 24/08/14 11:45, Paul Norman wrote: On 8/24/2014 2:48 AM, Lester Caine wrote: It's not the 'brightness - it's the compressed contrast which is has always been the problem with iD. maproulette does not link to potlatch2 which I'd normally use when not on a system with JOSM running ... iD

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database

2014-08-24 Thread Serge Wroclawski
...@rtijn.org m...@rtijn.org, maproule...@openstreetmap.org maproule...@openstreetmap.org maproule...@openstreetmap.org, OSM Talk talk@openstreetmap.org talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database (was: Ways needing smoothing back on track) Hello All Please include

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database

2014-08-24 Thread Russ Nelson
Serge Wroclawski writes: MapRoulette is not substitute for going out and mapping, but no one has argued that it is. MapRoulette problems? Skip is your friend. Use it generously. I do wish I could tell it Only show me things in New York State, because screw everybody else, this is a

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database

2014-08-24 Thread Mike N
On 8/24/2014 10:48 AM, Russ Nelson wrote: I do wish I could tell it Only show me things in New York State, because screw everybody else, this is a competition and I'm here to win. Go NY! Go NY! Your wish has been granted. At the top of the Select a different challenge dialog, press I want

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database

2014-08-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 23/ago/2014, alle ore 04:34, Andreas Vilén andreas.vi...@gmail.com ha scritto: Of course people need to actually check the data they add, but as long as there is aerial imagery and there's no reason to doubt it, There is always reason to doubt it, because it will always be

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database

2014-08-23 Thread Lester Caine
On 23/08/14 04:43, Russ Nelson wrote: I've checked these using surveys, and the aerial photos are right, and the OSM (actually TIGER) data is bad. Once you've edited a few hundred of these ways, you learn to recognize one of these mis-digitized ways. The key perhaps here is that the source

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database

2014-08-23 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-23 9:56 GMT+02:00 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: On 23/08/14 04:43, Russ Nelson wrote: I've checked these using surveys, and the aerial photos are right, and the OSM (actually TIGER) data is bad. Once you've edited a few hundred of these ways, you learn to recognize one of

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database

2014-08-23 Thread Lester Caine
On 23/08/14 09:16, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: I object to someone telling me that a road needs 'smoothing' ... it may well have very well mapped source data, and someone who does not know that will be stripping data simply because it does not follow the programmers arbitrarily

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database

2014-08-23 Thread Lester Caine
On 23/08/14 09:47, Lester Caine wrote: On 23/08/14 09:16, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: I object to someone telling me that a road needs 'smoothing' ... it may well have very well mapped source data, and someone who does not know that will be stripping data simply because it does not

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database

2014-08-23 Thread SomeoneElse
On 23/08/2014 03:49, Andreas Vilén wrote: I have never edited in Great Britain before so I hope I didn't step on any toes, but I have edited in southern Sweden since 2008 and before I started there was barely anything there... Looking at ITO's OSM Mapper, that village hasn't had a local

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database

2014-08-23 Thread Mike N
On 8/23/2014 5:20 AM, Lester Caine wrote: http://openstreetmap.us/iD/release/#background=Bingmap=17.00/-83.15249/36.43657 is the one I'm currently on and leaving as it's impossible to see any detail in iD ... how do people cope with the dark images? In iD, select the imagery layer New

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database

2014-08-23 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 2:20 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: http://openstreetmap.us/iD/release/#background=Bingmap=17.00/-83.15249/36.43657 is the one I'm currently on and leaving as it's impossible to see any detail in iD ... how do people cope with the dark images? Lester, I

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database

2014-08-23 Thread Martijn van Exel
Dave,  You are challenging the existence of an established set of tools in the OpenStreetMap community with your hunches, so the burden of proof is on you. But I’ll at least debunk your assertions, please see below. --  Martijn van Exel MapRoulette gets help to some of the remote, forgotten

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database

2014-08-23 Thread James Mast
Well, I have to admit, I've only seen one problem with the armchair mapping with the smoothing in my local area of Pittsburgh, PA so far. What happened was a long time ago, I cleanup up US-19 and separated segments that were divided and segments that had a 'Center Turn Lane' and tagged as

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database (was: Ways needing smoothing back on track)

2014-08-22 Thread Dave F.
Hello All Please include all replies to OM-Talk: I was meaning to start a separate thread on this subject, but this seems the appropriate time place. This website, along with http://osmlab.github.io/to-fix/ ( maybe others) are encouraging errors to be introduced to the OSM database. For

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database (was: Ways needing smoothing back on track)

2014-08-22 Thread Martijn van Exel
To: Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org, maproule...@openstreetmap.org maproule...@openstreetmap.org, OSM Talk talk@openstreetmap.org Subject:  Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database (was: Ways needing smoothing back on track) Hello All Please include all replies to OM-Talk: I was meaning

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database

2014-08-22 Thread Dave F.
To: Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org mailto:m...@rtijn.org, maproule...@openstreetmap.org maproule...@openstreetmap.org mailto:maproule...@openstreetmap.org, OSM Talk talk@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database (was: Ways needing

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database

2014-08-22 Thread SomeoneElse
On 23/08/2014 02:03, Dave F. wrote: ... Of course you need local knowledge. ... I'm not convinced that that's always the case. For example, to-fix has just taken me here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/41203129#map=19/53.23534/-0.61945 Whilst I'm no fan of armchair mapping, you don't

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database

2014-08-22 Thread Andreas Vilén
: August 22, 2014 at 6:16:33 PM To: Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org m...@rtijn.org, maproule...@openstreetmap.org maproule...@openstreetmap.org maproule...@openstreetmap.org, OSM Talk talk@openstreetmap.org talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database

2014-08-22 Thread Jóhannes Birgir Jensson
Þann 23.8.2014 01:03, skrifaði Dave F.: http://maproulette.org/#t=osmose-8170-147-soccer/osmose-8170-147-soccer-None-d19295cc3e005283ae80b66bde86f474 Supposed missing soccer pitch in France. I mean, really? I believe these sites add more inaccuracy than accuracy. Hello Dave. On the contrary

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database

2014-08-22 Thread Andreas Vilén
I was bored so I think I cleaned up most of the village. It's easy to see what the mapper really intended with some basic mapping experience and knowledge of how streets are normally placed. Of course a survey is needed for poi's, but it's not needed to change a strange way to the side at the end

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database

2014-08-22 Thread Mike Thompson
In almost all other science and technology fields we use instrumentation to allow us to see what would otherwise be too dangerous, expensive or just impossible to see with our unaided human senses. Mapping is no different. We use satellite (more generically overhead) imagery to see areas where

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database (was: Ways needing smoothing back on track)

2014-08-22 Thread Russ Nelson
Dave F. writes: I live in the UK. How can I possibly know if there's genuinely a sharp angle in Arizona You seem not to understand the problem being solved here (but please clarify if I am guessing wrong). I haven't looked much at other states, but in New York State, some counties (about 12)