Re: [Diversity-talk] [OSM-talk] How do you mapping gender neutral toilets? What should the unisex tag mean?

2018-04-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Apr 2018, at 21:55, Simon Poole wrote: > > It would seem that a simple way to make the tagging in the first case > less ambivalent would be to add a tag segregated=yes/no (so a unisex=yes > segregated=yes facility would only have gender specific

Re: [Diversity-talk] [OSM-talk] How do you mapping gender neutral toilets? What should the unisex tag mean?

2018-04-27 Thread Dan S
A solution! Good 2018-04-26 20:55 GMT+01:00 Simon Poole : > Somehow I don't see anything on the wiki page that supports this lengthy > thread. > > The issue may be that there are (at least) two ways to map a toilet > facility: > > - rough, one node or area for the whole thing,

Re: [Diversity-talk] [OSM-talk] How do you mapping gender neutral toilets? What should the unisex tag mean?

2018-04-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 25. Apr 2018, at 09:35, Rory McCann wrote: > > My proposal improves the meaning (IMO). A "unisex hairdresser" is like a > "unisex toilet": all people, regardless of gender, facilitated in the same > mixed place. Not many unisex hairdressers are

Re: [OSM-talk] How do you mapping gender neutral toilets? What should the unisex tag mean?

2018-04-25 Thread Kathleen Lu
> I'm not sure if there is anywhere that would be: (5) 3 options male, > female & unisex (unisex=yes male=yes female=yes) > What about something I see fairly often at airports? A large women's restroom, a large men's restroom, and a single-stall "family" restroom?

Re: [OSM-talk] How do you mapping gender neutral toilets? What should the unisex tag mean?

2018-04-25 Thread Rory McCann
On 25/04/18 19:58, Michael Reichert wrote: > Your proposed redefinition of unisex=yes would change the meaning of > an established and highly used tag. Please invent new tags. This isn't redefining, to quote the wiki unisex=yes means "denotes that access is unrestricted by a person's sex or

[OSM-talk] How do you mapping gender neutral toilets? What should the unisex tag mean?

2018-04-25 Thread Michael Reichert
Hi Rory, Am 2018-04-24 um 18:27 schrieb Rory McCann: > But I don't think that's how "unisex=yes" been used in OSM. The wiki > page says "unisex=yes" is a shorthand for "male=yes female=yes". The > JOSM validator used to suggest that replacement, until I filed a bug[2]. > iD's preset has 3

Re: [OSM-talk] How do you mapping gender neutral toilets? What should the unisex tag mean?

2018-04-25 Thread Rory McCann
(a) This is OSM, if it exists, we map it.  Gender neutral vs. gender segregated toilets exist. So how do we map that? (b) Many people benefit from gender neutral toilets: Gender non-conforming people, some trans people, people with carers of a different gender. Mapping these facilities allows

Re: [OSM-talk] How do you mapping gender neutral toilets? What should the unisex tag mean?

2018-04-24 Thread James
not only that, bit generally in North America, men's washrooms are usually dirtier than woamns washrooms On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 2:46 PM Kathleen Lu, wrote: > I think the most likely application may be the other way around, where > transgender individuals concerned about

Re: [OSM-talk] How do you mapping gender neutral toilets? What should the unisex tag mean?

2018-04-24 Thread Kathleen Lu
I think the most likely application may be the other way around, where transgender individuals concerned about harassment may purposefully seek out restrooms that are designated unisex in order to reduce the chances of encountering someone who might challenge whether they are using the "correct"

Re: [OSM-talk] How do you mapping gender neutral toilets? What should the unisex tag mean?

2018-04-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/24/2018 08:02 PM, Tobias Zwick wrote: > Why do you think it necessary to map at all if any particular toilet is > segregated or not beyond whether I can go there as a man/woman? What is > the application? I know people of both standard genders who would prefer using a toilet that is

Re: [OSM-talk] How do you mapping gender neutral toilets? What should the unisex tag mean?

2018-04-24 Thread Tobias Zwick
Why do you think it necessary to map at all if any particular toilet is segregated or not beyond whether I can go there as a man/woman? What is the application? On 24/04/2018 18:27, Rory McCann wrote: > Hi all, > Let's have a wee talk about how should one map gender neutral (and > gender

Re: [OSM-talk] How do you mapping gender neutral toilets? What should the unisex tag mean?

2018-04-24 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:27:02 +0200 Rory McCann wrote: > Thoughts? Feedback? Anything I'm missing? Note that defining tag with proposal on wiki will not change existing data or immediately change how people understand tag. I was not investigating the situation in this case

[OSM-talk] How do you mapping gender neutral toilets? What should the unisex tag mean?

2018-04-24 Thread Rory McCann
Hi all, Let's have a wee talk about how should one map gender neutral (and gender segregated) toilets. There is a unisex=yes for toilets which looks like it might be the number one tag to use. The bog standard meaning of "unisex toilet"[1] is a gender neutral toilet, i.e. not segregated into