Re: [OSM-talk] Military objects in RU: warning about status

2010-04-19 Thread Niklas Cholmkvist
> I've locked the following 2 pages for edits at the moment. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:Key:military > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:Tag:landuse%3Dmilitary ok. > Now lets all cool off and re-analyse the problem. I checked http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:Tag:landuse%3D

Re: [OSM-talk] Military objects in RU: warning about status of voting

2010-04-19 Thread Grant Slater
On 16 April 2010 19:55, Cartinus wrote: > On Friday 16 April 2010 20:29:41 Upliner wrote: >> Current situation is real edit war. I consider some interference is needed. > > Sorry, experience has learned that edit wars on the wiki only end when one > side gets bored with it. > I've locked the foll

Re: [OSM-talk] Military objects in RU: warning about status of voting

2010-04-17 Thread Upliner
2010/4/17 Liz : > We have started to discuss different solutions, but we haven't really had much > feedback from the PocketGis people on which solutions are more suitable. I thought that Kirill and Eugene is already made the position of PocketGis community clear. If it is interesting, there is even

Re: [OSM-talk] Military objects in RU: warning about status of voting

2010-04-17 Thread Liz
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010, Upliner wrote: > 2010/4/17 Kirill Bestoujev : > > Frederik gave a great advice - if you say that wiki is not a law, just > > recommendations, then do not take it seriously, let those who want write > > what they want. > > > > Complaining is silly - there is no law, so there can

Re: [OSM-talk] Military objects in RU: warning about status of voting

2010-04-17 Thread Upliner
2010/4/17 Kirill Bestoujev : > Frederik gave a great advice - if you say that wiki is not a law, just > recommendations, then do not take it seriously, let those who want write > what they want. > > Complaining is silly - there is no law, so there can be no punishment. Hey, wait! You've mentioned

Re: [OSM-talk] Military objects in RU: warning about status of voting

2010-04-17 Thread Upliner
2010/4/17 Kirill Bestoujev : > Edit war with bots is not a way of solving problems... If you do not > understand that - then my words about small kids were more than right... > That's very sad... I don't think that edit war will solve the problem. I just don't understand what PocketGis guys want. A

Re: [OSM-talk] Military objects in RU: warning about status of voting

2010-04-17 Thread Kirill Bestoujev
Edit war with bots is not a way of solving problems... If you do not understand that - then my words about small kids were more than right... That's very sad... K. 2010/4/17 Upliner > 2010/4/17 Kirill Bestoujev : > > Please do not pay any attention to this stuff - small kids always prefer > to

Re: [OSM-talk] Military objects in RU: warning about status of voting

2010-04-17 Thread Upliner
2010/4/17 Kirill Bestoujev : > Please do not pay any attention to this stuff - small kids always prefer to > complain to the grownups, than to try to solve problems. > > K. Kirill, are you sure that creating a bot will really solve the problem? If that, I can do it. -- Best regards, Upliner ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Military objects in RU: warning about status of voting

2010-04-17 Thread Kirill Bestoujev
Frederik, there are NO bots, it's just Upliner fantasy. But there were some people on the complaining side who were discussing creation of bots for osm wiki :) But they decided not to do it and to accuse others of doing that - talking is always easy, doing - hard. Please do not pay any attention

Re: [OSM-talk] Military objects in RU: warning about status of voting

2010-04-16 Thread Upliner
2010/4/16 Cartinus > > On Friday 16 April 2010 20:29:41 Upliner wrote: > > Current situation is real edit war. I consider some interference is needed. > > Sorry, experience has learned that edit wars on the wiki only end when one > side gets bored with it. There are some hackers on both sides. Wha

Re: [OSM-talk] Military objects in RU: warning about status of voting

2010-04-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Nic Roets wrote: > Our wiki plays a very important role in ensuring convergence of > tagging standard, esp. homonyms, abstract concepts and those tags that > are misnomers. In fact, it can be argued that some community members > have become de facto moderators on the basis of the bots they ope

Re: [OSM-talk] Military objects in RU: warning about status of voting

2010-04-16 Thread Nic Roets
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Cartinus wrote: > Sorry, experience has learned that edit wars on the wiki only end when one > side gets bored with it. Surely this needs to be improved. Perhaps learn from Wikipedia and appoint Wiki moderators. Our wiki plays a very important role in ensuring co

Re: [OSM-talk] Military objects in RU: warning about status of voting

2010-04-16 Thread Cartinus
On Friday 16 April 2010 20:29:41 Upliner wrote: > Current situation is real edit war. I consider some interference is needed. Sorry, experience has learned that edit wars on the wiki only end when one side gets bored with it. -- m.v.g., Cartinus ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Military objects in RU: warning about status of voting

2010-04-16 Thread Upliner
> On the other hand this > vote is (like all votes in OSM) not binding but only demonstrating the > majority's (of the voters) consensus. However, Vctos and others is constantly trying to mislead the community claiming that voting MUST be obligatory. To prevent this misunderstanding Zkir added the

Re: [OSM-talk] Military objects in RU: warning about status of voting

2010-04-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/4/15 Lester Caine : > Of cause what is missing here is that since this 'vote' was only in Russian > then > the vast majority of us would not even be able to vote anyway. There should > perhaps be a rule about needing all votes to carry an English translation, > since > the consensus IS that

Re: [OSM-talk] Military objects in RU: warning about status of voting

2010-04-15 Thread Lester Caine
Kirill Bestoujev wrote: > > > 2010/4/15 Lester Caine mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk>> > > > Of cause what is missing here is that since this 'vote' was only in > Russian then > the vast majority of us would not even be able to vote anyway. There > should > perhaps be a rule about nee

Re: [OSM-talk] Military objects in RU: warning about status of voting

2010-04-14 Thread Lester Caine
Alexandr Zeinalov wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Alexandr Zeinalov wrote: >>> Good day. >>> >>> You should know about flame war about military objects and government >>> secrets in Russian OSM community. And you should know that any voting >>> results may be considered as and only as r

Re: [OSM-talk] Military objects in RU: warning about status of voting

2010-04-14 Thread Alexandr Zeinalov
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Alexandr Zeinalov wrote: >> Good day. >> >> You should know about flame war about military objects and government >> secrets in Russian OSM community. And you should know that any voting >> results may be considered as and only as recommendation, but not as >> in

Re: [OSM-talk] Military objects in RU: warning about status of voting

2010-04-14 Thread Erik Johansson
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Alexandr Zeinalov wrote: > Good day. > > You should know about flame war about military objects and government > secrets in Russian OSM community. And you should know that any voting > results may be considered as and only as recommendation, but not as > invariable

Re: [OSM-talk] Military objects in RU: warning about status of voting

2010-04-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Alex, Alexandr Zeinalov wrote: > Since that user Vctos http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Vctos > removed this warning 3 times with comment: "I deleted text about > applicability of voting results that added after RFC" (translation). I recommend to ignore it. If you insist that the Wiki site

[OSM-talk] Military objects in RU: warning about status of voting

2010-04-14 Thread Alexandr Zeinalov
Good day. You should know about flame war about military objects and government secrets in Russian OSM community. And you should know that any voting results may be considered as and only as recommendation, but not as invariable law. At 2010-04-13 user Zkir http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User