Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

2011-04-12 Thread Ilya Zverev
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: well I was very active, but there is nothing left to do except when I go to a new area, and most of my travel is to the same old places where some other guy has already done the work. I find even new places are no longer a challenge - I am not the first, and I HATE

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

2011-04-12 Thread Ed Avis
Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon at thenilgiris.com writes: well I was very active, but there is nothing left to do except when I go to a new area, Out of interest where do you live? I see you are based in India but where? I know that Germany, for example, has 'nothing left to do' in many places but I

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

2011-04-12 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/12 Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com: Out of interest where do you live?  I see you are based in India but where? I know that Germany, for example, has 'nothing left to do' in many places There is hardly any place on earth where there is nothing left to do. There is almost everywhere

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

2011-04-12 Thread Ed Avis
There is hardly any place on earth where there is nothing left to do. Yes, that's why I put it in quotation marks, however it does depend on the individual. Some people may consider it sufficient to have a basic street layout in place and move on to other hobbies once that's done; others want

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

2011-04-12 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi. Even here in Germany I would say there is no place where nothing is left to do. Of course we can go sleeping where we are as good as Navteq and Teleatlas are. We can propose complete car navigation and interpolated addresses as the target. But there is much more possible with OSM: -

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

2011-04-12 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 10:10 +, Ed Avis wrote: Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon at thenilgiris.com writes: well I was very active, but there is nothing left to do except when I go to a new area, Out of interest where do you live? I see you are based in India but where? I know that Germany,

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

2011-04-12 Thread Steve Doerr
On 12/04/2011 11:47, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: As to where I am: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=11.414703lon=76.692275zoom=18layers=M I see you have a place near you named 'JSS Naturapathy and Yoga Hospital'. The usual word is 'naturopathy': 'naturapathy' sounds like something quite

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

2011-04-12 Thread Maarten Deen
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:56:58 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 12:10 +0100, Steve Doerr wrote: On 12/04/2011 11:47, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: As to where I am: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=11.414703lon=76.692275zoom=18layers=M I see you have a place near you named

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

2011-04-12 Thread Steve Doerr
On 12/04/2011 12:37, Maarten Deen wrote: 15 jears ago ! -- Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

2011-04-12 Thread Maarten Deen
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 13:10:28 +0100, Steve Doerr wrote: On 12/04/2011 12:37, Maarten Deen wrote: 15 jears ago ! Keeping in style ;-) Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

2011-04-12 Thread Mike Dupont
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 6:10 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Kenneth Gonsalves lawgon at thenilgiris.com writes: well I was very active, but there is nothing left to do except when I go to a new area, Out of interest where do you live? I see you are based in India but where? I know

[OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

2011-04-11 Thread Dermot McNally
On 11 April 2011 16:41, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: When Google turns Google MapMaker on in the US and Europe*, it will become much harder to recruit new mappers to our community (that is already quite small). Being passive about this issue means that OSM and its more-open data will

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

2011-04-11 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/11 Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com: OSM is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If OSM is to survive at all it will be among bearded hippies too behind the times to have discovered Waze. OSM continues to decay. Nothing short of a cockeyed miracle could save OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

2011-04-11 Thread pec...@gmail.com
2011/4/11 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2011/4/11 Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com: OSM is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If OSM is to survive at all it will be among bearded hippies too behind the times to have discovered Waze. OSM continues to

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

2011-04-11 Thread Mike Dupont
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 3:32 PM, pec...@gmail.com pec...@gmail.com wrote: 2) Get air clear for licensing stuff - decide and move forward, give concrete deadlines for moving to ODbL. I know there is resistance but bird have already sung in this case - then better split up efforts to not to

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

2011-04-11 Thread john whelan
I think you need to go more basic and ask what are the requirements? I don't think its ever been done. What are we trying to do and who is the target audience? Are we trying to create a map that can be used by others? Are we a social group that enjoys mapping? Why are we doing this? There

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is dying (was Re: We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities)

2011-04-11 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Mon, 2011-04-11 at 18:51 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/4/11 Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com: OSM is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If OSM is to survive at all it will be among bearded hippies too behind the times to have discovered Waze. OSM