Thanks Paul, good to read that there is a segregation of duties because
it's not DWG setting rules. A next step in DWG governance would be to have
an open process, of which a nice example can be found here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Community_Guidelines/How_We_Create_Co
On 2014-06-20 12:47 PM, Johan C wrote:
> However, I don't think it's a good idear that the DWG can decide on
> policies/guidelines/requirements etcetera because it's the same DWG that
> uses these policies/guidelines/requirements for enforcing.
The DWG does not decide policies. That is one of the
Thanks for your explanation Serge. I'm very glad to have community members
willing to spent their voluntarily time in the DWG to take on the sometimes
difficult job to solve conflicts. However, I don't think it's a good idear
that the DWG can decide on policies/guidelines/requirements etcetera
To elaborate on what Frederik said a bit...
The DWG has seen some what we're calling "organized mapping" which we
can generally define as a set of mappers being directed or working on
behalf of an organization.
The difference between what OSM experienced and what Wikipedia
experiences regarding p
< that conclusion is wrong because even if we were to
implement a measure that you have no clear picture of, it could still
solve a problem ...>
Even when shooting with hail one might miss the target :-)
Transparancy could be an explicit part of our core values ( draft:
http://wiki.openstre
Hi,
On 06/19/2014 12:26 AM, Johan C wrote:
> Since there is still no clear picture on the exact nature of the
> (potential) problem for OSM
The problem that Wikipedia tries to solve is a lack of transparency;
they want to make sure that, where compensation is involved, the
potential motives of co
Since there is still no clear picture on the exact nature of the
(potential) problem for OSM it's indeed very wise not to implement a
solution, because logically that solution wouldn't solve the (potential)
problem. Therefore to sit back is not necessary either, since there can be
an open discus
Hi,
On 05/14/2014 01:44 AM, Paul Norman wrote:
> Some possible guideline requirements could involve
>
> - Disclosing those who are directing them (e.g. employers or who they
> are contracting for) on the users page
Effective yesterday, Wikimedia have added the following to their terms
of use
Hi Frederik,
> That's because you have been involved in a data import which didn't
follow the import guidelines properly, and now you're biased against DWG
because we called you out on it and terrified you. But you shouldn't mix
those bad feelings with the issue at hand here as they are completely
Johan,
On 05/23/2014 12:43 AM, Johan C wrote:
> So, if there’s no fire, no epic problem and a constant need to be integer and
> delicate, why is the DWG picking up the legislative role?
I'd perhaps not word it in such a manner.
The DWG is occasionally (by those whom we admonish or block for ba
At May 13 Paul Norman wrote a posting on behalf of the Data Working
Group (DWG) stating that “…For this reason the DWG is considering if
it is necessary to issue guidelines for organizational editing.” Also
the words “guideline requirements” were used in this post.
My daily job for over 25 years a
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote:
> I personally subscribe to new OSM users feed for two countries which I'm
> focused on and check out their first edits, these are not high activity
> countries so perhaps others have more problems but so far none appears to
> be harm
Janko
2014-05-15 3:43 GMT+02:00 Paul Norman :
From: Mikel Maron [mailto:mikel_ma...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Organizational mapping policy
I have to say, my initial reaction to this proposal was that it
was
heavy handed, unnecessarily punitive,
el_ma...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Organizational mapping policy
I have to say, my initial reaction to this proposal was that it
was
heavy handed, unnecessarily punitive, over reaching, and not in
the
spirit of OSM. A cure worse than the disease.
that account is doing, and get permission to add as many as you want even
though you are a new user.
Janko
2014-05-15 3:43 GMT+02:00 Paul Norman :
> > From: Mikel Maron [mailto:mikel_ma...@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 2:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Organizatio
> From: Mikel Maron [mailto:mikel_ma...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 2:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Organizational mapping policy
>
> I have to say, my initial reaction to this proposal was that it was
> heavy handed, unnecessarily punitive, over reachi
On 15 May 2014 01:03, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> If you're in the HOT business then you might immediately see how this
> could apply to some of your projects and might make life harder. When I
> read the proposal, I think of the countless man-hours (and frustration
> and desperation and heated tempers
Hi Frederik
> Somehow I have the impression that either the proposal was colossally
> mis-worded, or it as somehow acquired a spin or social dynamic ("OMG
> they're targeting HOT!") that was never intended and is not, in my
> opinion, in any way present in Paul's request for consultation.
N
Hi,
On 14.05.2014 23:07, Mikel Maron wrote:
> I have to say, my initial reaction to this proposal was that it was
> heavy handed, unnecessarily punitive, over reaching, and not in the
> spirit of OSM. A cure worse than the disease.
Somehow I have the impression that either the proposal was coloss
I have to say, my initial reaction to this proposal was that it was heavy
handed, unnecessarily punitive, over reaching, and not in the spirit of OSM. A
cure worse than the disease.
But I think there's something here, which if done right, can benefit all
involved. In part it's framing this the
Maybe someone could remind folks about the ...wasn't there a...did I hear
about a "test server"? Something like a sandbox?
A
--
Alex
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 14.05.2014 11:09, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote:
> > The focus needs to be on the problem at
Hi,
On 14.05.2014 11:09, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote:
> The focus needs to be on the problem at hand,
"The problem at hand" is currently at a scale that can still be handled
on a case-by-case basis; the reason DWG is thinking about a general
guideline is not that we're trigger happy bureaucrat
Kate,
You bring up some really excellent questions.
Like Frederik, the key that differentiates the organizational mapping
is central planning/management.
>From your email it seems that HOT is involved in various project, some
of which would qualify as this organizational mapping, while others
w
2014-05-14 11:51 GMT+02:00 Pierre Béland :
> I dont think that we can justify to create a second account. This had the
> effect over the last few years to slow down some valuable Imports.
I do not believe that requiring the creation of a dedicated account for
paid mapping will shoo this kind o
edi 14 mai 2014 1h44
Objet : [OSM-talk] Organizational mapping policy
We have more and more organizations and businesses mapping in OSM.
Multiple organizations have been conducting paid editing in Europe and
the US. This generally comes to light *after* complaints are made - with
the company usu
Þann 14.05.2014 08:49, Pieren reit:
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 1:44 AM, Paul Norman wrote:
Some types of activities that *could* be covered are
- Teachers requiring their students to edit OSM as part of a course
I hope not. How can we have on one side a (foundation) group trying to
reduce barr
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 1:44 AM, Paul Norman wrote:
> editing can occasionally lead to misunderstandings or disharmony in the
> project,
"harmony" is not the first word coming in my mind about OSM...
> Some types of activities that *could* be covered are
> - Teachers requiring their students to
On Wednesday 14 May 2014, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>
> Personally, I think that a policy like that should cover any kind of
> (for lack of better word) "directed" mapping, where a mapper doesn't
> act on their own accord (because they want to) but on someone else's
> (because they're told to).
>
> The
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Hi,
On 05/14/14 09:26, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> All of these cases had in common that there was to bad intent
Should have been "no" bad intent.
Bye
Frederik
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Kate,
On 05/14/14 08:45, Kate Chapman wrote:
> I'm curious how HOT projects which are mentioned relate to this. What I
> mean is we frequently train other non-governmental organizations (NGOs),
> governments and universities in OSM. The proposed guidelines read to me
> that people would have to de
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Hi,
On 05/14/14 08:55, Simon Poole wrote:
> Are there actually examples of larger scale paid mapping that
> haven't been disclosed and that have been detected by the DWG?
Not by the DWG - but by the community, yes, this happens quite
frequently.
In
Paul
Are there actually examples of larger scale paid mapping that haven't
been disclosed and that have been detected by the DWG? I know we have
now and then had companies adding their outlets/operations but that
would typically be covered by the import guidelines in any case.
Simon
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Hi Paul,
I'm curious how HOT projects which are mentioned relate to this. What I
mean is we frequently train other non-governmental organizations (NGOs),
governments and universities in OSM. The proposed guidelines read to me
that people would have to declare that they were being paid to map. A
fr
We have more and more organizations and businesses mapping in OSM.
Multiple organizations have been conducting paid editing in Europe and
the US. This generally comes to light *after* complaints are made - with
the company usually not identifying who they are, what their goals are,
and what the
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