Hi Michael,
2014-10-28 14:47 GMT+01:00 Michael Kugelmann :
> On 28.10.2014 12:38, Manfred A. Reiter wrote:
>
>>
>> Are you sure that the silent ones read this list at all? ;-)
>>
>> BTW: I'm not only talking about "talk", I also was speaking about
> OSMF-talk.
>
I know. ;-)
> AFAIK one person
On 28.10.2014 12:38, Manfred A. Reiter wrote:
Are you sure that the silent ones read this list at all? ;-)
BTW: I'm not only talking about "talk", I also was speaking about OSMF-talk.
AFAIK one person informed the board members about the ongoing
discussions and requested to get involved into
I'm an OSMF member, and I'm in favor of a reboot that would establish a
completely new board. I think that the existing board is individually
capable but as a group will never get along.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Simon Poole wrote:
> Particularly because the "far more efficient" is clearl
Particularly because the "far more efficient" is clearly false (for one
compare number of fundamental reforms at all level of government that
stick in Switzerland vs. other countries, particularly those with
two-party systems). The Swiss system is fairly fine-tuned though and
lots of things work sm
On Tuesday 28 October 2014, Kathleen Danielson wrote:
>
> If you are concerned that something might "seem harsh," perhaps you
> shouldn't say it. I'm fairly certain you could have expressed your
> point without telling me that I am "opportunistically doing whatever
> the majority wants".
I see wha
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Kathleen Danielson
> wrote:
> > Direct democracy is cumbersome and often lacks nuance,
> > which is why it's so infrequently used. Representative democracies and
> their
> > ilk are far more common simply because they are far more efficient.
Ouch. Never say that
I thank Christoph and Kathleen for obliquely raising an issue ... which
I'd crudely put as politics versus bureaucracy. It is a very important
one and touches back on the topic of modus operandi of the OSMF board.
I, perhaps in a minority, regard the entire OSMF set-up as volunteer
bureaucrats
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Kathleen Danielson
wrote:
> Direct democracy is cumbersome and often lacks nuance,
> which is why it's so infrequently used. Representative democracies and their
> ilk are far more common simply because they are far more efficient.
Ouch. Never say that to our swis
Hi Michael,
Am 27.10.2014 17:15 schrieb "Michael Kugelmann" :
>
> On 26.10.2014 00:31, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>>
>> but it appears that there is no board majority for postponing/cancelling
>> anything.
>
[…]
> They even don't get involved into the discussion here. What a shame for
them!
> That's n
Christoph,
If you are concerned that something might "seem harsh," perhaps you
shouldn't say it. I'm fairly certain you could have expressed your point
without telling me that I am "opportunistically doing whatever the majority
wants".
What I am doing, in fact, is gathering information. I am work
On Tuesday 28 October 2014, Kathleen Danielson wrote:
>
> I'm curious about whether the membership is interested in us pursuing
> some kind of "reboot". We've only heard a few voices on the topic,
> which has made me reluctant to work on organizing anything that might
> go against the membership's
Frederik,
Thank you for your brainstorming on this topic. It's been very helpful.
I'm curious about whether the membership is interested in us pursuing some
kind of "reboot". We've only heard a few voices on the topic, which has
made me reluctant to work on organizing anything that might go again
On 26.10.2014 00:31, Frederik Ramm wrote:
but it appears that there is no board majority for postponing/cancelling
anything.
This clearly shows where the problem of the board is and why the
manifesto of Frederik has such a frustrated mood! Some board members are
sitting well on their chairs and
Hi,
I've raised the idea of postponing AGM and election with the board
but it appears that there is no board majority for postponing/cancelling
anything.
Of course you or any other OSMF member is welcome to coordinate plans
for members to make a (non-binding) recommendation about how they woul
Hi,
On 10/24/2014 05:56 PM, Kathleen Danielson wrote:
> If I'm understanding this correctly, in the next week or so, before
> proxy voting begins, we could ask the board to make a decision to
> include a "nonbinding resolution" or, essentially a "good faith"
> resolution on the ballot.
Frankly I'
FWIW, I'm also wary of resolutions dictating how the board operates. I
think that a survey (or similar) is a good idea, but as Kate says, it
doesn't require a resolution. Direct democracy is cumbersome and often
lacks nuance, which is why it's so infrequently used. Representative
democracies and th
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Kate Chapman wrote:
> I actually don't think it makes sense for the membership to approach
> things by passing a bunch of resolutions requiring the board to do things.
> I think certainly a drastic resolution like dismantling the entire board
> and starting again
Hi Clifford,
Just a couple comments on your resolutions.
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 6:26 AM, Clifford Snow
wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:55 AM, Frederik Ramm
> wrote:
> Two of the resolutions I'd like to see put to a debate and vote are 1)
> requiring the Board to conduct annual surveys of
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:55 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> If we don't manage to get a board majority to postpone the whole thing,
> there's something else we could do at least: Ask those who stand for
> election to commit to calling a new GM within a certain time frame, and
> offer the membership a
Hi,
On 10/24/2014 10:41 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>> Is there *any* mechanism to put a new question to the full membership in
>> the upcoming election, or is it too late for that?
>
> The board does not have to call AGMs or do elections. I don't know if
> legally it is too late to cancel the alrea
Hi,
IANAL and all, but
On 10/24/2014 09:33 AM, Kathleen Danielson wrote:
> Is there *any* mechanism to put a new question to the full membership in
> the upcoming election, or is it too late for that?
Put a question - possible under "Any other business". Get a binding vote
- not possible.
>
As Paul said, leaving aside any merits of this (there are plenty of other
threads going on to discuss that), can we have some brainstorming on the
mechanics of how it might work?
There have been a few suggestions for ways to essentially "reboot" the
board, but I am not familiar enough with the byla
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