Re: [OSM-talk] fact-based vote?

2010-07-18 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Liz schrieb: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: there is no loss of data! It has always been said that the old data will remain available under the old license. If you take somewhere between one third and one quarter of the data for a well defined area and lock it up from

Re: [OSM-talk] fact-based vote?

2010-07-18 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 02:56:57PM -0400, Richard Weait wrote: Limiting a hypothetical (what should it be called? referendum?) to just active contributors might exclude some who have just agreed to the license upgrade. Is this the right thing to do? Should the hypothetical referendum(?) be

Re: [OSM-talk] fact-based vote?

2010-07-17 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Tobias Knerr schrieb: Loss of data is the primary concern about the license change for quite a lot of mappers. Dealing with their worries is worth the delay. +1 After reading ODbL I would say yes, OSM should change licence, but after reading the process proposed for changing licence including

Re: [OSM-talk] fact-based vote?

2010-07-17 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 17 Jul 2010, at 2:05 , Heiko Jacobs wrote: I cannot accept a process with loss of data. If there is a loss of data I will leave OSM. there is no loss of data! It has always been said that the old data will remain available under the old license. The only possibility to avoid loss of

Re: [OSM-talk] fact-based vote?

2010-07-17 Thread 80n
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.comwrote: On 17 Jul 2010, at 2:05 , Heiko Jacobs wrote: I cannot accept a process with loss of data. If there is a loss of data I will leave OSM. there is no loss of data! It has always been said that the old data

Re: [OSM-talk] fact-based vote?

2010-07-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, 80n wrote: Indeed, we've been suffering from this license-twiddling induced stasis for far too long now. That's why I've proposed that the LWG/OSMF achieve a clear and undeniable mandate by September 1st or just drop the whole thing. We can't afford to let this cancer continue eating

Re: [OSM-talk] fact-based vote?

2010-07-17 Thread John F. Eldredge
if the subsequent edits were done by people who agree to the new license. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] fact-based vote? From :mailto:ascho...@gmail.com Date :Sat Jul 17 13:07:09 America/Chicago 2010 On 17 Jul 2010, at 2:05 , Heiko Jacobs wrote: I cannot accept a process

Re: [OSM-talk] fact-based vote?

2010-07-17 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Apollinaris Schoell schrieb: On 17 Jul 2010, at 2:05 , Heiko Jacobs wrote: I cannot accept a process with loss of data. If there is a loss of data I will leave OSM. there is no loss of data! It has always been said that the old data will remain available under the old license. This

Re: [OSM-talk] fact-based vote?

2010-07-17 Thread Liz
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: there is no loss of data! It has always been said that the old data will remain available under the old license. If you take somewhere between one third and one quarter of the data for a well defined area and lock it up from further edits on OSM

[OSM-talk] fact-based vote?

2010-07-14 Thread Richard Weait
[I re-added attribution for John Smith that appears to have been dropped during context trimming.] On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Richard Weait wrote: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: [ ... ] Allow contributors to vote before the change

Re: [OSM-talk] fact-based vote?

2010-07-14 Thread John Smith
On 15 July 2010 04:56, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: [I re-added attribution for John Smith that appears to have been dropped during context trimming.] Pretty sure Kai was responsible for this sentiment on the legal list thread. Right, the contributor terms state 2/3 of active

Re: [OSM-talk] fact-based vote?

2010-07-14 Thread Liz
On Thu, 15 Jul 2010, Richard Weait wrote: Interesting idea. How should this work? Something like?: ... steps leading to today - users indicate ODbL acceptance or not - summarize user replies: x replies, y accept. - somebody processes all the results to show data effect - publish

Re: [OSM-talk] fact-based vote?

2010-07-14 Thread Kai Krueger
Richard Weait wrote: Right, the contributor terms state 2/3 of active contributors and a minimum of three weeks for the vote. Would an additional three-week or longer voting period, added to the process now be a problem? Given that the whole process has taken on the order of two years, I

Re: [OSM-talk] fact-based vote?

2010-07-14 Thread Tobias Knerr
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 20:56, Richard Weait wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Richard Weait wrote: [ ... ] Or more simply. Ask users if they are willing to proceed. Calculate and show users the results. Then ask users if that is good enough to