Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines?

Data in general about electrical grids is surprisingly open. Not all of it is OSM-compatible in a copyright sense, but if you're just doing casual research or looking into the outage tracking system of various utilities, both public companies and cooperatives, you'll see how easy it is to just

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines?

As discussed in this Practical Engineering episode , the publicly visible nature of the electrical grid makes security through obscurity very difficult if not impossible. He notes that ballistic-resistant walls around transformers are a likely future

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines?

On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 at 17:41, john whelan wrote: > I accept powerlines are fine and visible on other maps but the case for > transformers isn't quite so strong. In the UK, the location of major transmission lines and substations is freely available on the National Grid website (well, it's under

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines?

On 19/01/2023 17:44, john whelan wrote: On a side issue I wonder if Microsoft's building detector could pick out telephone boxes in the UK? I doubt it. It doesn't spot the AA box at the A40 / A479 junction. -- Cheers, Jeremy ___ talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines?

On 19/01/2023 03:03, john whelan wrote: Should we have a process that says some things should not be mapped? No. Next question? DaveF ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines?

Why are we mapping these infrastructures. Well these are major infrastructures and quite an asset in OSM to let compare from country to country. Dont you know https://openinframap.org/ ? I do map major infrastructures such as dams, hydro-electric power plants and substation and high voltage

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines?

I seem to recall there are fewer rifles per head of population in the UK. The problem is more a North American one although with the ease of which guns can be 3D printed it could be a UK eventually. On a side issue I wonder if Microsoft's building detector could pick out telephone boxes in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines?

Even still, the location of major substations (e.g the 400-132kv type) isn't really a secret. I could reel off quite a few in the UK without even looking at a map. Nick From: john whelan Sent: 19 January 2023 17:38 To: Nick Whitelegg Cc: OpenStreetMap talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines?

I accept powerlines are fine and visible on other maps but the case for transformers isn't quite so strong. Cheerio John On Thu, Jan 19, 2023, 12:15 Nick Whitelegg via talk wrote: > > I thought the whole point of OSM was to map the ground truth? > > Power lines are there, and they are an

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines?

I thought the whole point of OSM was to map the ground truth? Power lines are there, and they are an important navigational aid when out walking or hiking. And besides, just about every commercial mapping provider that I've used shows them. The OS does, as do maps that I've seen in a range of

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines?

Am Do., 19. Jan. 2023 um 15:33 Uhr schrieb John Whelan < jwhelan0...@gmail.com>: > Someone shoots out a dozen at minus 20c, two can cut off electricity to a > city of a million people. One or two you can replace quickly a dozen at > the same time you're talking months to restore power. > you

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines?

I suspect you can do a lot less damage to a concrete dam with a rifle than a transformer. As long as we have discussed the matter I think that is all that matters. I'm happy and content. Worse case scenario A guy called Putin has been targeting them in Ukraine.  Copycat. Someone shoots out

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines?

The example from Marc_marc tells us keeping underground things hidden is bad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghislenghien_disaster As for underwater, in the 1990s and early 2000s Iceland kept getting disconnected from the rest of the Internet by fishing ships trawling the CANTAT-3 branch, which

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines?

john whelan: Apparently you can do a lot of expensive damage by firing a rifle bullet through them as happened more than once in the US and given the situation in Europe at the moment is there a risk that something similar could happen there? Should we have a process that says some things

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines?

Le 19.01.23 à 04:29, Brian M. Sperlongano a écrit : Navigational landmarks while hiking. it's funny to find here and in different proposals this justification I find it fanciful yesterday I mapped the species of a tree, it is practical to navigate: to go to mr dupont, take the road with a

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines?

Le 19.01.23 à 04:03, john whelan a écrit : Thoughts? a criminal has already used a kitchen knife to commit a murder, now in the press we regularly see comments saying that carrying a knife is a reprehensible act. may I still map a shop selling knife ? I hope that no criminal will use a chair

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines?

Believing that not mapping power lines on OSM would stop people from damaging them is the same as believing removing a path from the map would stop people from walking on it. It is not our job to police people. Any knowledge can be used to hurt. But the alternative to mapping is not knowing,

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines?

Am Do., 19. Jan. 2023 um 04:17 Uhr schrieb john whelan < jwhelan0...@gmail.com>: > Perhaps you could expand on the benefits of mapping them? > this is really not a question we ever ask ourselves regarding mappability, while there are of course some answers to this for power infrastructure, it