Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

2010-02-28 Thread John Smith
On 1 March 2010 03:17, Mike N wrote: > Is there a good argument to omitting the state abbreviation from the > ref? Will the end result of changing to just a number be usable by the > "Highway Shields" project? The common reference "County road 49" comes to You can use admin boundaries to de

Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

2010-02-28 Thread John Smith
On 1 March 2010 04:03, Mike N wrote: > That doesn't help in this case: for example a US highway crosses multiple > states, but is always assigned the same shield.And there is nothing in This is just a pre-processing problem before going into pgsql for mapnik, or whatever rendering software yo

Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

2010-02-28 Thread John Smith
On 1 March 2010 05:01, John F. Eldredge wrote: > However, a given administrative area may well contain country-level, > state-level, and county roads. If a given road is tagged with only a number, > what indicates which one of these is meant? Also, it is not unusual for a > stretch of physica

Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

2010-02-28 Thread John Smith
On 1 March 2010 05:41, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: >> network=CO (county) >> network=S (state) > > why duplicate redundant info, requires double care when a roud is > up/downgraded. isn't it better this way The brackets were meant for explanation purposes only. __

Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

2010-02-28 Thread John Smith
On 1 March 2010 06:03, Pieren wrote: > But in OSM, we try to avoid abbreviations when possible. Then you don't have > to explaine later again and again what means "CO" or add a note or a > reference to a wiki page. "network=county" is not so long and clear for > everyone. Simply because those abb

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetMap embedding Flickr photos

2010-03-01 Thread John Smith
On 2 March 2010 03:28, Anthony wrote: > Yeah. Anyone know how they're doing this? It's stuff like this that makes > me think that a free, non-profit project is always going to be many steps > behind the big boys when it comes to this domain. Google like all companies has limited growth potentia

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetMap embedding Flickr photos

2010-03-01 Thread John Smith
On 2 March 2010 04:36, Anthony wrote: > Wikipedia is a whole different beast. It'll likely be replaced by Google > when and if Google come out with a breakthrough in natural language > processing. It looks like that breakthrough has already come in terms of > creating a 3D model of the world. A

Re: [OSM-talk] Where 2.0 OSM Booth

2010-03-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 March 2010 10:55, Kate Chapman wrote: > Also we need ideas for the booth. I was thinking having a computer > set-up where people could edit immediately in OSM. Essentially 'Heard > of OSM and never edited? Try it now!" Any other ideas? Atlas type maps of the area show casing the benefits

Re: [OSM-talk] coastline within a park

2010-03-04 Thread John Smith
On 5 March 2010 17:17, Robin Paulson wrote: > i've recently mapped a park which contains a basin. when the tiles > render, the whole area, including the water, renders green. how would > i tag this so the renderer understands the water bit should be treated > as water, and rendered blue? The tile

Re: [OSM-talk] Tile caching (osm startpage)

2010-03-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 March 2010 01:24, Bernhard zwischenbrugger wrote: > Google Cache Time: > Cache-Control: public, max-age= //feels like one month (I > didn't calculate) I'd say it's a bad idea to specify a cache time, instead there is other caching mechanisms to tell if a tile has changed: > ETag: "

Re: [OSM-talk] Tile caching (osm startpage)

2010-03-06 Thread John Smith
On 6 March 2010 17:52, Bernhard zwischenbrugger wrote: > In browser the load time is even worse. What you really need is your own tile server, or a specalised proxy that serves up what ever tiles it has cached and checks in idle time if requested tiles have changed. Forcing everyone to view dirt

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(amenity=ice_cream)

2010-03-06 Thread John Smith
On 7 March 2010 13:59, John F. Eldredge wrote: > Actually, the "theoretical" situation you described (food to be either eaten > on the premises or carried out, but alcohol for on-premises consumption only) > is the actual situation for restaurants here in Nashville, Tennessee, USA. > If a rest

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(amenity=ice_cream)

2010-03-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 March 2010 22:26, Pieren wrote: > And in my country, the limit of alcohol for car drivers is 0.5 mg/l of > blood. So we should add a "driver:max_alcohol=0.8". And, as it was suggested > in another thread for maxspeed, it should be added in all highways of the > country, of course. That would

Re: [OSM-talk] Still interest in an Android POI collector?

2010-03-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 March 2010 02:54, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: > Note that the lat and lon are the wrong way round, and there is a > comma after the elevation (there shouldn't be). I managed to mangle my It would have been nice to get a bug report about this, if I wasn't on this mailing list I wouldn't have

Re: [OSM-talk] Still interest in an Android POI collector?

2010-03-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 March 2010 08:17, Gaz Davidson wrote: > information to the API. Has anyone with an Android handset seen any > applications which are aware of altitude? GPS Status displays this information, but GPS altitude isn't accurate. ___ talk mailing list ta

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Thread John Smith
On 12 March 2010 17:50, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: >> If all the code and all the tools we used were to be licensed costly >> software, who would pay for OSM? > > We'd all use Google Map Maker then. Under Safari ;-) What about Mapzen under IE? *ducks* __

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-12 Thread John Smith
On 12 March 2010 18:27, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Mapzen doesn't count - it is open source ;-) So is potlatch, but that doesn't seem to have stopped people from complaining about it being non-free for some reason... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetma

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-12 Thread John Smith
On 12 March 2010 18:52, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: > Question is : can a user use openstreetmap without accepted any license > agreements from adobe? Is it possible to contribute using only free > software. As someone pointed out the other day this is blown out of proportion since most

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM for walkers / hikers - getting it going!

2010-03-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 March 2010 09:08, wrote: > >> >>> .. I'm still unclear how one is supposed to >> >>> distinguish between a smooth, wide urban footpath and a hiking trail. > > A footpath can be traversed by a weelchair, perambulator or shopping > trolley? There was a presentation on routing from SoTM09 tha

Re: [OSM-talk] "Preferred Languages" on https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/putusernamehere/account

2010-03-19 Thread John Smith
On 20 March 2010 02:36, Tom Hughes wrote: > Alternatively there was be something we can do in the page - are there > any sort of standards that browsers adhere to about particular classes > or names on the fields? Not sure about all browsers, but some have an autocomplete option. _

Re: [OSM-talk] What do you wish you'd known?

2010-03-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 March 2010 18:50, Tirkon wrote: > The most annoying thing, I wish I had known before is, that editors > destroy things without any warning, but you do not have the chance, to > take notice of that fact. > > I.e. potlatch destroys the correct order of the ways in a route > relation, i.e. if y

Re: [OSM-talk] What do you wish you'd known?

2010-03-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 March 2010 19:23, Tirkon wrote: > Today I know all this. But I wish, I had known it before in answer to > Steve's question: I was agreeing with you, you shouldn't have to know this. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openst

Re: [OSM-talk] What do you wish you'd known?

2010-03-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 March 2010 19:42, Teemu Koskinen wrote: > I wish I had known that the Yahoo aerial images are not rectified, as I > blindly went and "corrected" all the roads in my neighborhood by moving > them to coincide with the aerial images. In reality they already were in > the correct position as the

Re: [OSM-talk] What do you wish you'd known?

2010-03-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 March 2010 20:00, Teemu Koskinen wrote: > That only helps if the images are just offset by some amount, it doesn't > help at all if they are warped, rotated etc. > See eg. the centre of Helsinki: http://elanor.mine.nu/daeron/wavy.jpg > All the red lines are completely straight in reality. Th

Re: [OSM-talk] What do you wish you'd known?

2010-03-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 March 2010 21:07, Tirkon wrote: > John Smith wrote: > >>you shouldn't have to know this. > I am the opposite opinion, because ... > > It is really hard, to setup in particular a long route relation. You I meant the editor shouldn't screw up relations like y

Re: [OSM-talk] What do you wish you'd known?

2010-03-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 March 2010 22:52, Tirkon wrote: > The problem is, that - as far as I know - every person may offer an > editor. If this is true, with more and more editors the problem will > grow in future. Cause one popular editor, that is not aware and does > not follow these roules, could be one editor t

Re: [OSM-talk] What do you wish you'd known?

2010-03-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 March 2010 23:05, Bernhard zwischenbrugger wrote: > But how to do the gps to xy transformations? That's not an OSM issue so much as an OpenLayers issue... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 March 2010 10:12, John Smith wrote: > browsers to reduce problems, especially with newbies that don't get editors, now browsers... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 March 2010 07:35, Mike N. wrote: > How will boundary relations help? They must still refer to a closed way > in order to define the administrative boundary. Maybe he meant re-use the road as part of a relation, instead of having 2 ways that share the same path... Due to the poor handlin

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 March 2010 12:24, Mike N. wrote: > In your point b), do you mean that if we did use boundary relations that > there would not be an issue with boundaries and roads being co-mingled and > mis-edited? The problem with this is when boundaries or roads move independent of each other, such as fo

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 March 2010 13:31, Anthony wrote: > 1) How so?  In the worst case scenario you have an equal-sized mess.  Can > you give an example? Because you are trying to hit a moving target... > 2) In most cases of road-realignment you generally *want* to move the > boundary at the same time you move

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 March 2010 13:53, Anthony wrote: > What does that mean? It means you probably haven't done much with boundaries and have yet to experience the pleasure of people screwing them up repeatedly because they're linked to other objects... > Postcodes are a whole different story.  At least in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 March 2010 14:15, Anthony wrote: > YOU said that I "meant re-use the road as part of a relation". But in fact > I did not. My position on that is that sometimes that is a good idea. And > sometimes it isn't. It's really case-dependent. If a boundary is legally And how would you know wh

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 March 2010 14:32, Anthony wrote: > By reading the legal definition, of course. Same way I'd determine what the > border is in the first place. How many borders in the US are there exactly? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://list

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 March 2010 14:51, Anthony wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:42 AM, John Smith > wrote: >> >> On 22 March 2010 14:32, Anthony wrote: >> > By reading the legal definition, of course. Same way I'd determine what >> > the >> > border is in

Re: [OSM-talk] Mathematic genius needed

2010-03-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 March 2010 15:09, Bernhard zwischenbrugger wrote: > Sorry: > Southwest: 0,0 > Northeast: 90,180 Are you after the middle WGS points or the middle points on a mercator grid ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.

Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries along roads

2010-03-22 Thread John Smith
On 22 March 2010 17:32, Lester Caine wrote: > There has to be a very good reason for REMOVING any data, and the assertion > that > we can in general 'remove multiple ways' is only acceptable if the project is > also going to adopt the rule 'we will never map detail'? Perhaps it is time > for > a

Re: [OSM-talk] Aerial photographs (5cm per pixel) is now available from Dortmund

2010-03-22 Thread John Smith
On 22 March 2010 17:30, Jochen Topf wrote: > On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 07:59:18PM +0100, osm-dortmund dortmund wrote: >> As of now, the high-resolution aerial photographs of the Dortmund company >> Aerowest http://www.aerowest.de for the area of the city of Dortmund are >> available. For a pilot pro

Re: [OSM-talk] Motion sensors for navigation

2010-03-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 March 2010 21:56, David Earl wrote: > I wonder whether they might be interested in offering us some units for > testing? Using inertial navigation the accuracy deteriorates considerably over time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_navigation ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Motion sensors for navigation

2010-03-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 March 2010 22:07, Emilie Laffray wrote: > They might when they have some working prototypes :) I can't imagine the > calculation problem that they would be getting using 6 motions sensors (3 > accelerometers, and 3 gyroscopes). There is quite a few mobile phones with chips that have all 6 i

Re: [OSM-talk] Motion sensors for navigation

2010-03-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 March 2010 22:35, Emilie Laffray wrote: > Mobile phones with gyroscopes?? I didn't realize mobile phones were having > so many complex and expensive pieces in them. Most phones have now > accelerometers with 3 Axis enabled; I just didn't realize some had > gyroscopes too. I'm not sure about

Re: [OSM-talk] Motion sensors for navigation

2010-03-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 March 2010 22:32, David Earl wrote: > Yes, obviously. The problems we have are exactly the ones they are trying to > solve though - urban canyons and tunnels - where we lose the GPS accuracy I think using a mobile phone equiped with A-GPS and/or wifi positioning would still be more accurate

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding image to map features

2011-01-29 Thread John Smith
On 29 January 2011 22:48, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2011/1/29 Ulf Lamping : >> image=URL > > > I wonder if this is something we would like to have in our db. Imagine > if we become really widely used, the amount of these tags would > probably explode. I see this as a case for an external databa

Re: [OSM-talk] Anyone know who wrote rawedit?

2011-01-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 February 2011 12:24, Steve Bennett wrote: > Hi all, > So, as discussed on another thread, I'm trying to use > rawedit.openstreetmap.fr to undelete a relation, but am getting XML > parser errors. Anyone know who I can contact, or where to get the > source from? It's my understanding that del

Re: [OSM-talk] odbl

2011-03-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 March 2011 09:10, john whelan wrote: > So basically you are saying that it is not possible to explain it in > layman's terms. Thank you for your input. The new license changes things from something many people understand to something massively more complex that it's proponents can't even ag

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-21 Thread John Smith
On 21 March 2011 05:54, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > What were the suggestions at the meeting(s)? The minutes suggest that I reported an issue some time ago and they kept it as an item to be dealt at future meetings for about 6 months and then they sort of let it fall off at some point without actuall

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-21 Thread John Smith
2011/3/21 Matthias Meißer : > Might be the legal talklist a better place to discuss this very specific > topic? I guess there are more users that are familar with the process > itself. So this conversation goes quietly into the night like most other threads rather than being dealt with? _

Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group

2011-03-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 March 2011 19:57, Thomas Davie wrote: > Not forgetting that's what's really important is what percentage of edits > come under the new license – the stats for that seem much more healthy. Considering that about 1/3rd to 1/2 of the edits in that figure would be for some of the big imports s

Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group

2011-03-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 March 2011 20:45, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I don't agree. Of course it is important how much of the data will > survive, but it is even more important to not loose active > contributors. Many that were previously active contributors have since stopped contributing until this mess is sor

Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group

2011-03-23 Thread John Smith
On 24 March 2011 06:00, Richard Weait wrote: > It's an inoculation. A bit of a pinch, and a sore spot on the arm for > a day, but we're all better off afterwards. It's more like a tainted vaxination, the kind where you end up a lot worst off. > ODbL gives us the real share-alike, open data lice

Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group

2011-03-24 Thread John Smith
On 25 March 2011 14:11, Russ Nelson wrote: > So why aren't the ODbL folks being told the same thing? You want a > different license? Hey, great, no problem, go ahead, create a fork of > OSM. But don't expect us to follow you. Anthony has been asking this for some time, since copying suitable data

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-12 Thread John Smith
On 13 April 2011 10:44, Richard Weait wrote: > On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 4:59 PM, SomeoneElse > wrote: > >> Mike, >> "https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/terms"; appears unchanged. Is that some >> sort of caching effect, or does "has been improved" actually mean "is about >> to be improved, but has

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping huge lakes as coastline

2011-04-13 Thread John Smith
On 14 April 2011 03:24, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > This results in bad rendering for low zoom tiles, with the lake > showing up on zoom6 but not on zoom5 (in Mapnik). Wouldn't it be better to fix the rendering side of things, than incorrectly mapping just so it renders how you expect it to? In

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available? (was: OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement)

2011-04-13 Thread John Smith
On 14 April 2011 00:49, Ed Avis wrote: > It's _a_ goal but I think the more important selling points for ODbL/DbCL > are the positive ones - more uses it would permit for the data, for example > distributing map tiles without having to follow any particular licence for > them. Some claim it woul

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread John Smith
On 14 April 2011 19:56, Michael Collinson wrote: > Don't forget this is a pre-announcement! The technical implementation is > ongoing thanks to Tom, Matt and Grant. The revised contributor terms should > now be live and I have just got the go ahead to be able to announce that the > mandatory Acce

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread John Smith
On 14 April 2011 22:20, Tom Hughes wrote: > If you mean that currently there is no decline button for existing > contributors then that is a feature, not a bug. When making a decision > becomes mandatory on Sunday there will be a decline button. I reported it several messages back. I see a decli

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread John Smith
On 15 April 2011 00:49, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Eric Marsden wrote: >> >> It is not clear to me, from your message or from what I have read on >> the wiki, whether choosing "Decline" is a irreversible decision, or >> whether one would still be able later to accept the licence + CT. > > "

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread John Smith
On 15 April 2011 12:51, David Murn wrote: > This was a question in regards to whether you will reverse the selection > of someone accepting the new licence/terms, if you (or they) become > aware the data is tainted. Wouldn't breach of clause 1 break the entire contract ?

Re: [OSM-talk] question for folks working on routing engines

2011-04-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 April 2011 00:36, Richard Welty wrote: > i ask this because in NY, the default speed limit in rural areas is 55 > on all roads. there are numerous unpaved roads (dirt, gravel) which > do not have posted speed limits, but where driving at 55 is not > reasonable unless you're a rally driver an

Re: [OSM-talk] question for folks working on routing engines

2011-04-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 April 2011 01:30, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I suggest you also add source:maxspeed=US:NY:rural or sth. similar to > the roads with no explicit maxspeed sign. Well he said 55mph is the default maximum for unsigned roads, wouldn't it be more useful for routing software to know that, than k

Re: [OSM-talk] question for folks working on routing engines

2011-04-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 April 2011 13:25, Richard Welty wrote: > what i'm after are parameters so that the routing engines present > rational results to drivers who aren't me. so why don't we focus on > the actual problem in front of us instead of posturing about our > driving skills. Well you seemed to have skipp

Re: [OSM-talk] question for folks working on routing engines

2011-04-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 April 2011 13:43, John Smith wrote: > On 16 April 2011 13:25, Richard Welty wrote: >> what i'm after are parameters so that the routing engines present >> rational results to drivers who aren't me. so why don't we focus on >> the actual problem in front

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 April 2011 17:37, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > OpenOffice.org has had a major fork just recently. The LibreOffice fork > has chosen different licensing arrangements, including the contributors > retaining their own copyright. > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/developers/ > and interesting

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 April 2011 17:42, Dermot McNally wrote: > wouldn't have sought it at a much earlier stage than this. Normally > abject opposition should come after, not before, "neutral" appraisal > of the proposal, shouldn't it? There has been so many issues with the new license, the new contributor terms

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 April 2011 17:53, Lester Caine wrote: > The whole database should be public domain, and any third party pushing > 'commercial' data into that should understand that. Even the UK government > have now accepted that we should have free access to this sort of data, so > my own 'need' for OSM ha

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 April 2011 19:04, Lester Caine wrote: > John Smith wrote: >> >> On 16 April 2011 17:53, Lester Caine wrote: >>> >>> The whole database should be public domain, and any third party pushing >>> 'commercial' data into that should unde

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 April 2011 19:49, Lester Caine wrote: > No I said 'free access to this sort of data'. But I don't see that having > the courtesy to recognise where data can from should be any sort of a > problem. 'Requiring it' just acknowledges that some people do not extend > that common courtesy. I find

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 April 2011 22:10, Ian Dees wrote: > doesn't look like I will. The trolls have come out yet again. Sorry for > No, it's not complicated. When whoever it was decided that we need to change > license, the *first* thing that should have happened is a communication of > the desire with the commu

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag touristic street roads

2011-05-02 Thread John Smith
On 2 May 2011 15:56, Gregor Horvath wrote: > Hello, > > I could not find a wiki page nor relevant data on how > to tag a touristic relevant road. > There is the scenic=yes tag, but maybe only a part of the touristic > road is scenic but the whole road (relation) may be of touristic > interest (for

Re: [OSM-talk] level_crossing, leveled

2011-05-25 Thread John Smith
On 26 May 2011 05:10, Richard Weait wrote: > HI all, > > What should be done with a level_crossing, when trains may cross no longer? > > The junction was a level_crossing, but has been repaved and > re-sculpted.  The rails are now covered by 0.3 - 0.4 m of asphalt > which appears to have been laid

Re: [OSM-talk] level_crossing, leveled

2011-05-26 Thread John Smith
On 26 May 2011 18:53, Richard Mann wrote: > Unless you operate to peculiar safety standards, there'll probably be > a stop sign on the track some way either side of the former > crossing(probably set for the stopping distance of the heaviest train > operating at linespeed, and taking the gradient

Re: [OSM-talk] anonymous edits

2011-05-26 Thread John Smith
On 27 May 2011 03:51, Martijn van Exel wrote: > Hi all, > > Consider the following application scheme: > * a twitter user sends a geo-located tweet containing a specified > hashtag, say #addosm and key-value pairs like "amenity:pub;name:Red > Devil;smoking:yes" > * a twitter scraper picks up the t

Re: [OSM-talk] anonymous edits

2011-05-26 Thread John Smith
On 27 May 2011 04:19, Martijn van Exel wrote: > Totally anonymous edits existed once in OSM, until 2007. See the first > link in my original message (mysteriously not referred to in the > message body..hm). They were abandoned for different reasons I > believe, the wiki page gives some explanation

Re: [OSM-talk] Blue color in part of MAP by MAPNIK

2011-06-09 Thread John Smith
Did anyone try to mark tiles as dirty, I've done this in the past and it seems to re-render properly, no idea why it occurs or why marking it as dirty fixes things, seems to be inconsistent so might be a mapnik bug. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetm

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF ! + PD / CC0 projects

2011-06-12 Thread John Smith
On 12 June 2011 19:29, Nic Roets wrote: > I'm much more worried about the effects of a fork. If we spend time > updating a number of forks, it will detract from time that we could > have spent mapping. I was in that frame of thinking 3-6 months ago, but unless something radical occurs in a very s

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

2011-06-13 Thread John Smith
On 13 June 2011 17:07, Nick Hocking wrote: > Jochen, > > I see attribution on my browser (bottom left corner).  Rendering is, I think > standard mapnik, looks ok to me. > > Andrew E, did you try my link and zoom over to Korea. I think you'll find > all the OSM data there looking quite good. I onl

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

2011-06-13 Thread John Smith
On 13 June 2011 18:01, Ed Loach wrote: > If I recall correctly, the Mapnik “Openstreetmap Mode” requires Silverlight, > so the link below might show you a different view if you don’t have it > installed. Or perhaps I’m thinking of the Map App, if that is different? I'd forgotten about that and it

Re: [OSM-talk] Navigon to Sell OpenStreetMap POIs Packages for PNDs

2011-06-14 Thread John Smith
On 14 June 2011 23:29, Jonas Krückel wrote: > Well, it would be nice and we could certainly ask for it, but with CC-BY-SA > only the end product falls under the license and not the processed data in > between. Once we move on to ODbL however, this will change and we will get > the much more intere

[OSM-talk] Garmin to acquire Navigon

2011-06-14 Thread John Smith
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheBoyGeniusReport/~3/8nAQktIAPQk/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 June 2011 01:47, Dave F. wrote: > It's only as the deadline draws near that those in favour of the change are > trying to put the blame on the mappers for there potentially being a > conflict. I find this irritating. No, this isn't a new thing, this has pretty much existed ever since people

Re: [OSM-talk] Community important, license unimportant

2011-06-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 June 2011 04:54, Russ Nelson wrote: > As usual, the majority is right, and the minority (both 20%'s!) are > wrong. The question that we need to worry about is not the legal terms > of the license, but instead: will changing the license hurt the > community more than leaving it alone. I'm not

[OSM-talk] Anyone know where this city is?

2011-06-16 Thread John Smith
http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/2501/sancturymap.png Seems to look like an OSM map to me, I don't have access to all credits, so no idea if it was credited or not.. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/

Re: [OSM-talk] Anyone know where this city is?

2011-06-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 June 2011 20:37, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > > JohnSmitty wrote: >> >> http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/2501/sancturymap.png >> >> Seems to look like an OSM map to me, I don't have access to all >> credits, so no idea if it was credited or not.. > > I'm pretty sure that's Google Maps in Lowe

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2011-06-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 June 2011 13:19, David Murn wrote: > There are numerous programs that exist which show the density of mapping > in certain areas.  Maybe it would be useful to find the more heavily > mapped areas that dont have coverage? That's making assumptions that larger towns are mapped already, howeve

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 17 June 2011 18:38, Rob Myers wrote: > Data from an ODbL database may however be used to create a BY-SA > Produced Work. So this means produced works can be traced into a cc-by-sa data set then? ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.o

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 June 2011 00:30, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 06/17/11 16:20, John Smith wrote: >> >> Patents don't apply here > > I am trying to make a general point about the scope of CC licenses, to which > the "patents" example is relevant. >

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 June 2011 00:32, Rob Myers wrote: > On 06/17/11 16:06, John Smith wrote: >> So once again I'm met with silence and can only assume that produced >> works licensed under cc-by or cc-by-sa can be derived from, > > Do read the discussions I had with odc-discuss when

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 June 2011 00:40, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I am not trying to apply patents to OSM. I am trying to use the example of > patents to prove to you that your reasoning "either something is CC-BY-SA or > it isn't" is, in this simplicity, invalid; that there may well exist > limitations external to t

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 June 2011 00:50, Simon Poole wrote: > > > Am 17.06.2011 16:39, schrieb andrzej zaborowski: > > ... >> >> 2. What happens if a person in country A with database rights >> publishes a tileset and licenses it under CC-By-SA to a person in >> country B without database rights?  The second person

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 June 2011 01:18, Kate Chapman wrote: > Hi Frederik, > > Yes I agree that the arm chair mapping isn't the best method of > collection.  Though in some areas it will be difficult to ever have > mappers on the ground without imagery.  The cost of a GPS is > prohibitive in many places. For othe

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 June 2011 01:46, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > Let me try copyright-only examples. > > I can take up the full text of all of the works of William > Shakespeare, compile it into a book with annotations, and release the > book under CC-BY-SA. Now since the original text by Shakespeare is > alre

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 June 2011 02:26, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > I don't think you're going to get clear answers about these specific > cases. It will take a court decision to provide precedent rulings on > such things. Well the copyright side of things seems pretty simple, especially if people are using CC0/

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 June 2011 02:40, Rob Myers wrote: > On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:07 AM, John Smith > wrote: >> Then you have a whole other argument over what constitutes a produced >> work and so on. > > It's a novel concept, to be sure. but if you want to understand it &g

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 June 2011 18:41, Steve Doerr wrote: > On 22/06/2011 21:22, Mike Dupont wrote: > >> did you see this? >> http://www.archive.org/download/SharedMap2/index.html >> > > That's nice. Just a thought: shouldn't there be some sort of attribution? The attribution was put into the JS file, but I'm lo

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 June 2011 18:41, Steve Doerr wrote: > On 22/06/2011 21:22, Mike Dupont wrote: > >> did you see this? >> http://www.archive.org/download/SharedMap2/index.html >> > > That's nice. Just a thought: shouldn't there be some sort of attribution? I just noticed that osm.org is missing attribution.

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 June 2011 21:00, Matt Williams wrote: > No it isn't. There's a 'Copyright & License' link in the sidebar on the left. Nice and obscure... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 June 2011 21:15, Tobias Knerr wrote: > No, it isn't. It has the attribution right there on the "Copyright & > License" link. Unlike every other map site out there where the main attribution is at the bottom right side of the map. > The "Demo archive.org Tile Hosting" map, on the other hand

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 June 2011 21:47, Tobias Knerr wrote: > Maybe you just don't know enough maps - there are plenty that list > attribution elsewhere. This includes lots of maps for mobile devices > (because these happen to have limited screen space), but also maps that > use multiple sources (because in these

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 June 2011 21:53, Robert Scott wrote: > On Thursday 23 June 2011, John Smith wrote: >> The data is rendered from FOSM data. > > Which is 100% sourced from OpenStreetMap data. I'm told there is at least 500 changesets not from OSM...

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread John Smith
On 23 June 2011 21:53, Robert Scott wrote: > On Thursday 23 June 2011, John Smith wrote: >> The data is rendered from FOSM data. > > Which is 100% sourced from OpenStreetMap data. I find this ironic, if not out right amusing, OSM-F tries to hide any kind of attribution, yet you e

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