Re: [OSM-talk] Relevance of the “name” tag in places where there is no obvious associated language

2019-12-07 Thread Martin Constantino–Bodin
I personally am not a fan of using 8 different names in one name tag (though some countries that have multiple equal languages do favour that nationally).   The example here "Baltijas jūra / Baltijos jūra / Itämeri / Läänemeri / Morze Bałtyckie / Östersjön / Østersøen / Ostsee / Балтийское

Re: [OSM-talk] Relevance of the “name” tag in places where there is no obvious associated language

2019-12-06 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2019-12-06 16:58, Andy Townsend wrote: On 06/12/2019 15:10, Tomek wrote: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/305640277 W dniu 19-12-06 o 16:08, Tomek pisze: EN Is this change acceptable and can I continue? https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/78060265 I don't think this is the best

Re: [OSM-talk] Relevance of the “name” tag in places where there is no obvious associated language

2019-12-06 Thread Tomek via talk
W dniu 19-12-06 o 19:01, Andy Townsend pisze: > On 06/12/2019 14:40, Tomek wrote: >> EN >> The problem is that the English imperialists want to impose their >> language on other nations; and do not understand (do not want to >> understand) how someone writes in a language other than English, is >>

Re: [OSM-talk] Relevance of the “name” tag in places where there is no obvious associated language

2019-12-06 Thread Oleksiy Muzalyev
It is certainly the case. However, the new tools begin to change this situation. For example, at Wikidata items one can add a translation into any language quickly and conveniently. The commercial websites also get the different language versions, since it can be implemented now easily and

Re: [OSM-talk] Relevance of the “name” tag in places where there is no obvious associated language

2019-12-06 Thread Andy Townsend
On 06/12/2019 14:40, Tomek wrote: EN The problem is that the English imperialists want to impose their language on other nations; and do not understand (do not want to understand) how someone writes in a language other than English, is it so difficult to use Google / Yandex / Bing? Taking a

Re: [OSM-talk] Relevance of the “name” tag in places where there is no obvious associated language

2019-12-06 Thread john whelan
The international language would be English. It is after all the language of trade and as a consequence absorbed many words from other languages. But that is taking a pragmatic view and is only one minor voice amongst all the contributors. There will be many other voices decrying its use. One

Re: [OSM-talk] Relevance of the “name” tag in places where there is no obvious associated language

2019-12-06 Thread Martin Constantino–Bodin
You understand correctly. And yes, you can guess a users language from either http headers or geolocation or even a cookie. But the issue there currently is, is that there is one Mapnik map with the captions rendered in the tiles. To do something about that you would need to make a different

Re: [OSM-talk] Relevance of the “name” tag in places where there is no obvious associated language

2019-12-06 Thread Andy Townsend
On 06/12/2019 15:10, Tomek wrote: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/305640277 W dniu 19-12-06 o 16:08, Tomek pisze: EN Is this change acceptable and can I continue? https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/78060265 Not yet.  Wait what people say in reply. I personally am not a fan of

Re: [OSM-talk] Relevance of the “name” tag in places where there is no obvious associated language

2019-12-06 Thread Tomek
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/305640277 W dniu 19-12-06 o 16:08, Tomek pisze: > EO > Ĉu tiu ĉi redakto estas akceptata kaj mi povas pluigi ŝanĝi? > PL > Czy ta zmiana jest akceptowalna i mogę kontynuować? > EN > Is this change acceptable and can I continue? > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Relevance of the “name” tag in places where there is no obvious associated language

2019-12-06 Thread Tomek
EO Ĉu tiu ĉi redakto estas akceptata kaj mi povas pluigi ŝanĝi? PL Czy ta zmiana jest akceptowalna i mogę kontynuować? EN Is this change acceptable and can I continue? https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/78060265 <>___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Relevance of the “name” tag in places where there is no obvious associated language

2019-12-06 Thread Tomek
W dniu 19-12-06 o 14:11, Martin Constantino–Bodin pisze: > Probably the most important point: the goal of the Esperanto community > is not to overcome English in some kind of epic battle. It is to > provide language diversity and avoid language imperialism. Hence, the > main point of the community

Re: [OSM-talk] Relevance of the “name” tag in places where there is no obvious associated language

2019-12-06 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2019-12-06 14:11, Martin Constantino–Bodin wrote: Removing the name tag does not solve any problem. The renderer for the map (or any program that needs to display the name tag) needs to make a decision which tag to display. If the name tag is not present it will have to fall back to another

Re: [OSM-talk] Relevance of the “name” tag in places where there is no obvious associated language

2019-12-06 Thread Oleksiy Muzalyev
Most people know where the Atlantic Ocean, and it is not a problem. But if I want to see, for example, where is the Laptev Sea I cannot find it on the OSM map, not on any layer. Both the Atlantic Ocean and the Laptev Sea could be marked in Latin language as Oceanus Atlanticus and Mare

Re: [OSM-talk] Relevance of the “name” tag in places where there is no obvious associated language

2019-12-06 Thread Martin Constantino–Bodin
(Long post. TL;DR: I’m presenting the Esperanto community and I am looking for instances where there is no default language involved around the renderer.) IMHO that is more a "he says, she says" argument than anything valid. To me it comes more across that a small community wants to push its

Re: [OSM-talk] Relevance of the “name” tag in places where there is no obvious associated language

2019-12-06 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2019-12-06 11:46, Martin Constantino–Bodin wrote: Some context first. So there has been this changeset that triggered some discussions: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/77845837 Changeset comments in not a great place for discussion, so I suggest that we continue here. (Thanks

Re: [OSM-talk] Relevance of the “name” tag in places where there is no obvious associated language

2019-12-06 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
6 Dec 2019, 12:04 by frede...@remote.org: > I have reverted a recent edit in which the "name" tag was removed from > some "international" objects by a user (on the grounds of "if I cannot > have an Esperanto name then nobody shall have a name for that object!"), > however in principle, if the

Re: [OSM-talk] Relevance of the “name” tag in places where there is no obvious associated language

2019-12-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06.12.19 12:01, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > place=continent nodes make no sense at all True but there will likely be some great mind who, just to get a nice "AFRICA" label on zoom level 2, will create a multipolygon encompassing every single piece of coastline around the continent and call

Re: [OSM-talk] Relevance of the “name” tag in places where there is no obvious associated language

2019-12-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06.12.19 11:46, Martin Constantino–Bodin wrote: > The question I would like to ask is about the relevance of having a > “name” tag in places where there is no default language—knowing that all > the “name:en”, “name:eo”, etc. are already there.  I can imagine that > some renderers might

Re: [OSM-talk] Relevance of the “name” tag in places where there is no obvious associated language

2019-12-06 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
6 Dec 2019, 11:46 by martin.bo...@ens-lyon.org: > > Some context first.  So there has been this changeset that triggered > some discussions: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/77845837> > Changeset comments in not a great place for discussion, so I suggest > that we

[OSM-talk] Relevance of the “name” tag in places where there is no obvious associated language

2019-12-06 Thread Martin Constantino–Bodin
Interesting. I sent a message two days ago with a very similar topic, but it hasn’t yet found a moderator to accept it (or reject it). I’m sending it again here, maybe it can help with the discussion. Regards, Martin. Hi, Some context first.  So there has been this changeset that triggered