Re: [OSM-talk] We're erasing our history in wiki

2019-04-23 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Apr 23, 2019, 10:47 AM by i...@zverev.info: > Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > >> Please note that by using "vandalism" you claim that this action was >> malicious. >> Unless you have really, really good reason to claim that whoever did it was >> deliberately >> doing this to damage OSM the

Re: [OSM-talk] We're erasing our history in wiki

2019-04-23 Thread Simon Poole
See https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/disingenuous Am 22.04.2019 um 20:40 schrieb mmd: > Am 22.04.19 um 12:37 schrieb Simon Poole: >> The last functional addition to the editing API was just over a year >> ago, in March 2018. >> >> Implying for rhetorical purposes that "nothing has

Re: [OSM-talk] We're erasing our history in wiki

2019-04-23 Thread Simon Poole
Am 22.04.2019 um 18:46 schrieb Dave F via talk: > Was this new/improvement additions or bug/maintenance fix? As said, it was an addition. Simon > > DaveF > > On 22/04/2019 11:37, Simon Poole wrote: >> The last functional addition to the editing API was just over a year >> ago, in March 2018.

Re: [OSM-talk] We're erasing our history in wiki

2019-04-23 Thread Ilya Zverev
Frederik, thanks for expressing your point of view. I always admire your posts and occasionally translate them for the Russian audience. I know I cannot change your (or anybody’s) view, but I hope in time I can explain you mine. Frederik Ramm wrote: > I'm tired of this gatekeeper nonsense. Your

Re: [OSM-talk] We're erasing our history in wiki

2019-04-23 Thread Ilya Zverev
Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Please note that by using "vandalism" you claim that this action was > malicious. > Unless you have really, really good reason to claim that whoever did it was > deliberately > doing this to damage OSM the please avoid such claims. Well, if you don’t intend your

Re: [OSM-talk] We're erasing our history in wiki

2019-04-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Apr 21, 2019, 11:03 PM by i...@zverev.info: > Please, could we have a deletion policy in our wiki that clearly states "No > obsolete pages here", forbidding deletion of anything except spam or > otherwise harmful pages? Deleting our history is plain vandalism > Please note that by using

Re: [OSM-talk] We're erasing our history in wiki

2019-04-22 Thread mmd
Am 22.04.19 um 12:37 schrieb Simon Poole: > The last functional addition to the editing API was just over a year > ago, in March 2018. > > Implying for rhetorical purposes that "nothing has changed" is rather > disingenuous. > > Simon > > Am 22.04.2019 um 11:59 schrieb Ilya Zverev: >> This

Re: [OSM-talk] We're erasing our history in wiki

2019-04-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 4/22/19 11:59, Ilya Zverev wrote: > This attitude: “to do well we would need people responsible and there isn’t > any; you can do your thing without OSM infrastructure so why bother; nobody > died, stop your hype and comply” — is why we’re still with API 0.6 ten years > after it was

Re: [OSM-talk] We're erasing our history in wiki

2019-04-22 Thread Dave F via talk
Was this new/improvement additions or bug/maintenance fix? DaveF On 22/04/2019 11:37, Simon Poole wrote: The last functional addition to the editing API was just over a year ago, in March 2018. Implying for rhetorical purposes that "nothing has changed" is rather disingenuous. Simon Am

Re: [OSM-talk] We're erasing our history in wiki

2019-04-22 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
If the whole issue is optimizing search results, lets just create an "Archive" namespace that is not included in search by default. Moving to archive is different from deleting because only admins can see deleted content. On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 4:11 AM Lester Caine wrote: > On 22/04/2019

Re: [OSM-talk] We're erasing our history in wiki

2019-04-22 Thread Lester Caine
On 22/04/2019 11:45, Ilya Zverev wrote: It’s history. Ilya ... it's the same problem we have with with a lot of the historic material. Personally I'd prefer to see the history accessible in some way, be it the history of the development of a area of mapping data, or the history of how we got

Re: [OSM-talk] We're erasing our history in wiki

2019-04-22 Thread Ilya Zverev
It’s history. Why do we keep buildings and roads in the OSM database, that were demolished years ago? They are still there, versions 1 and 2, deleted by an active mapper. Why do we keep mailing lists archives from 2004? To argue with points made by people that left the project a decade ago?

Re: [OSM-talk] We're erasing our history in wiki

2019-04-22 Thread Simon Poole
The last functional addition to the editing API was just over a year ago, in March 2018. Implying for rhetorical purposes that "nothing has changed" is rather disingenuous. Simon Am 22.04.2019 um 11:59 schrieb Ilya Zverev: > This attitude: “to do well we would need people responsible and there

Re: [OSM-talk] We're erasing our history in wiki

2019-04-22 Thread Ed Loach
Of course, being a wiki, it isn't actually deleted, just marked as deleted. But looking at it now I can't see why we'd still want it in the wiki, asking people to use possibly no longer existent api end points to test software that long since has been tested. Ed

Re: [OSM-talk] We're erasing our history in wiki

2019-04-22 Thread Ilya Zverev
This attitude: “to do well we would need people responsible and there isn’t any; you can do your thing without OSM infrastructure so why bother; nobody died, stop your hype and comply” — is why we’re still with API 0.6 ten years after it was introduced. Ilya > On 22 Apr 2019, at 09:35, Jochen

Re: [OSM-talk] We're erasing our history in wiki

2019-04-22 Thread Jochen Topf
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 12:03:40AM +0300, Ilya Zverev wrote: > In my research of API 0.6 (which turned ten years old yesterday) I've > stumbled on this page: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/API_v0.6/Crowd_sourced_Testing > > It was deleted 7 years ago. And this is a disaster. The page

[OSM-talk] We're erasing our history in wiki

2019-04-21 Thread Ilya Zverev
Hi, In my research of API 0.6 (which turned ten years old yesterday) I've stumbled on this page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/API_v0.6/Crowd_sourced_Testing It was deleted 7 years ago. And this is a disaster. The page was an important milestone in our history: authors, dates, items