Re: [talk-au] Thoughts on co-ordinating re-mapping

2011-12-01 Thread Alex (Maxious) Sadleir
There are already systems written specifically for OSM to do this http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager https://github.com/tlpinney/osmtask/ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-

Re: [talk-au] A way to go and missing towns

2011-12-01 Thread El Segundo Can't win
I've looked on the dev list http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2011-November/date.html and while programming speak is pretty opaque to me, I can't see any reference to these cool tools you mentioned. I'll take your word on it though.   Does anyone have any links to any of these tools (

[talk-au] Thoughts on co-ordinating re-mapping

2011-12-01 Thread El Segundo Can't win
It would be my guess that Australia has the highest non-CT compliant data to active mapper ratio in the world, even if we ignore the ABS2006 import. I also reckon it's likely that there's a lot of people in other countries that would be willing to help out.   I would also guess that most Austral

Re: [talk-au] Maxspeed bots

2011-12-01 Thread Nick Hocking
Ben wrote "The content of these edits is in the public domain (I.e. the default residential speed limit in Australia) and these edits could be "re-edited" by an actual bot. Given that these edits are easy to identify, and the large number of ways, this might be a useful exercise. It would give us a

Re: [talk-au] Maxspeed bots

2011-12-01 Thread Ben Kelley
Hi. In general I think the maxspeed edits were very useful, in terms of how they help routing. I wouldn't want to lose them. AFAIK the edits were not made by a bot login though. The content of these edits is in the public domain (I.e. the default residential speed limit in Australia) and these e

Re: [talk-au] Maxspeed bots

2011-12-01 Thread Nick Hocking
Richard wrote"Hi Nick, I see several approaches available here: - ask the bot owner to accept - revert the bot work - ask for help reverting (typically others in the community or DWG) - argue convincingly on legal talk that the maxspeed bot and bots in general don't have rights to decline CT/O

Re: [talk-au] Maxspeed bots

2011-12-01 Thread Richard Weait
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Nick Hocking wrote: > Richard, > > I don't believe that it is possible to start remapping in Australia until > the maxspeed bots are removed (from the database and also all histories) > without affecting any other edits to those ways. > Or alternatively reassigning

Re: [talk-au] A way to go and missing towns

2011-12-01 Thread Richard Weait
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:09 PM, El Segundo Can't win wrote: > Late to the conversation but.. > > First up, from people have said, what cc-cleaner is doing is shocking > vandalism, whether they intend it or not. I'm disappointed by deletions without remapping. One way to defeat that is by rem

[talk-au] Maxspeed bots

2011-12-01 Thread Nick Hocking
Richard, I don't believe that it is possible to start remapping in Australia until the maxspeed bots are removed (from the database and also all histories) without affecting any other edits to those ways. Or alternatively reassigning them to a ct_acceptor userid. (also for all histories) Then (an

[talk-au] A way to go and missing towns

2011-12-01 Thread El Segundo Can't win
Late to the conversation but..   First up, from people have said, what cc-cleaner is doing is shocking vandalism, whether they intend it or not.   In a worst case scenario, all non-CT compliant information will be expunged on 1st April. There is no need to delete it (especially manually) befo

Re: [talk-au] A way to go

2011-12-01 Thread Richard Weait
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Andrew Laughton wrote: > On 2 December 2011 07:20, John Henderson wrote: >> >> On 02/12/11 09:00, Richard Weait wrote: >> >>> Deleting tainted data and remapping by local mappers is far superior >>> to waiting until March 31 and running a script. >>> >>> So removin

Re: [talk-au] A way to go

2011-12-01 Thread Andrew Laughton
On 2 December 2011 07:20, John Henderson wrote: > On 02/12/11 09:00, Richard Weait wrote: > > Deleting tainted data and remapping by local mappers is far superior >> to waiting until March 31 and running a script. >> >> So removing data from decliners and remapping it, and reaching out >> to tho

Re: [talk-au] A way to go

2011-12-01 Thread John Henderson
On 02/12/11 09:00, Richard Weait wrote: Deleting tainted data and remapping by local mappers is far superior to waiting until March 31 and running a script. So removing data from decliners and remapping it, and reaching out to those who haven't yet responded is valid and valuable. Thanks for

Re: [talk-au] Where did the town go?

2011-12-01 Thread Leon Kernan
Who or whatever cc_cleaner is, it seems like it might have issues. It has deleted at least one way that should have been safe. Unless i'm misreading the history somehow. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/41754970/history That was was created by Chadzopkyo who has accepted the odbl accordin

Re: [talk-au] A way to go

2011-12-01 Thread Richard Weait
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Mark Pulley wrote: > Has a date been set for the removal of CC-BY-SA-only data yet? Before 01 April 2012 http://blog.osmfoundation.org/2011/11/16/odbl-progress/ Deleting tainted data and remapping by local mappers is far superior to waiting until March 31 and run

Re: [talk-au] A way to go

2011-12-01 Thread Mark Pulley
I've been thinking for a while about the best way to remove CC-BY-SA-only data when the time comes. As already noted, some people have started already by deleting large areas of data and re-adding from bing (losing all the tags) - which at best may be unnecessary, and at present (as no date has

Re: [talk-au] Where did the town go?

2011-12-01 Thread Richard Weait
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:46 PM, John Henderson wrote: > On 02/12/11 01:11, Grant Slater wrote: > >> I often watch OSM edits using >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/LiveMapViewer and noticed the >> deletes of mostly DrLizAU's contributions. I suspected DrLizAU was >> removing her own contributi

Re: [talk-au] Where did the town go?

2011-12-01 Thread John Henderson
On 02/12/11 01:11, Grant Slater wrote: I often watch OSM edits using http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/LiveMapViewer and noticed the deletes of mostly DrLizAU's contributions. I suspected DrLizAU was removing her own contributions, but cannot back this up. DrLizAU's ethical standards are very

Re: [talk-au] Where did the town go?

2011-12-01 Thread John Henderson
On 02/12/11 01:11, Grant Slater wrote: I have nothing to do with the cc_cleaner user's deletes/edits. I often watch OSM edits using http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/LiveMapViewer and noticed the deletes of mostly DrLizAU's contributions. I suspected DrLizAU was removing her own contributions,

Re: [talk-au] Where did the town go?

2011-12-01 Thread Grant Slater
On 1 December 2011 13:48, John Henderson wrote: > On 01/12/11 22:34, Mark Pulley wrote: > >> User "cc-cleaner"? I've had a quick look at some of the changesets, and >> they all seem to be just deleting things. I have a suspicion that the >> things being deleted are by users who haven't agreed to t

Re: [talk-au] Where did the town go?

2011-12-01 Thread Richard Weait
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:48 AM, John Henderson wrote: > I saw the same relationship with Firefishy (from South Africa) and went to > bed puzzling about the coincidence.  Firefishy was adding in a little data > within minutes of cc-cleaner's massive deletes. > > I woke up a couple of minutes ago r

Re: [talk-au] Where did the town go?

2011-12-01 Thread John Henderson
On 01/12/11 22:34, Mark Pulley wrote: User "cc-cleaner"? I've had a quick look at some of the changesets, and they all seem to be just deleting things. I have a suspicion that the things being deleted are by users who haven't agreed to the new license, but I didn't think we were up to this stage

Re: [talk-au] Where did the town go?

2011-12-01 Thread Mark Pulley
On 01/12/2011, at 6:15 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 4:58 PM, John Henderson wrote: >> Lake Cargelligo township shows mapped streets at this zoom level: >> >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.3081&lon=146.3792&zoom=12&layers=M >> >> but disappears as you zoom in from th

Re: [talk-au] Where did the town go?

2011-12-01 Thread John Henderson
On 01/12/11 19:15, Andrew Harvey wrote: Deleted by user: cc_cleaner in changeset http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/9915617 I found this by looking at this area in the owl viewer: http://matt.dev.openstreetmap.org/owl_viewer/map Thanks Andrew. I wasn't aware of that facility. It

Re: [talk-au] Where did the town go?

2011-12-01 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 4:58 PM, John Henderson wrote: > Lake Cargelligo township shows mapped streets at this zoom level: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.3081&lon=146.3792&zoom=12&layers=M > > but disappears as you zoom in from there.  The detail is also missing in > JOSM.  I presume it