[talk-au] dirt roads

2012-10-20 Thread dbannon
Hi Folks, recent I have been going over parts of OSM mapped some time ago, following up on the infamous redaction. One thing that jumps out at me is the inconsistent tagging of dirt roads. Even, I must say, ones I have done myself but over a several year time span. So I started to write some

Re: [talk-au] dirt roads

2012-10-20 Thread Matt White
A couple of quick comments: There is a 4wd tag already in use - 4wd_only:yes|recommended (with no being a pointless value) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:4wd_only%3Dyes There's about 1000 instances of this tag in use in Australia. There was a proposal kicking around ages ago that

Re: [talk-au] dirt roads

2012-10-20 Thread John Henderson
On 21/10/12 12:03, dban...@internode.on.net wrote: lanes=[1; 2] I thing the lanes tag is best not used, unless there's more than two marked lanes on a two-way road, or more than one lane on a one-way road. This is the recommendation in the Australian tagging guidelines:

Re: [talk-au] dirt roads

2012-10-20 Thread dbannon
OK, I'm interested in what you say about lanes= John (and the rest too!) I  use lanes=1 to indicate that a road is generally only wide enough for one car, if one approaches traveling in the other direction, both need to slow a little and pull of to the side. Similarly for overtaking. Thats

Re: [talk-au] dirt roads

2012-10-20 Thread dbannon
  Well said Matt, especially the bit about dirt roads being the fun ones ! I might have made myself a bit clearer about why I posted. Firstly, because I want to ensure people are happy with proposed edits to the wiki. But secondly, I'd like to start a discussion about how our map data ends up

[talk-au] Lanes tag

2012-10-20 Thread Paul HAYDON
Hi John, It occurs to me there's at least one other case which warrants tagging the lanes - a two-way road (or section thereof) having only a single lane. I.E. when there are LESS than one in each direction, making passing difficult or unsafe at normal speeds. Any thoughts? Cheers,

Re: [talk-au] dirt roads (Nathan Van Der Meulen)

2012-10-20 Thread Nathan Van Der Meulen
Ah dirt roads how difficult you are!  Firstly, just because a road is dirt (unsealed/unpaved) doesn't make it any less important than many others.  David, while the Plenty Hwy may be considered a 'track' by some (I have travelled the whole length of it quite recently and we passed a few Falcons

Re: [talk-au] Lanes tag

2012-10-20 Thread John Henderson
On 21/10/12 13:40, Paul HAYDON wrote: It occurs to me there's at least one other case which warrants tagging the lanes - a two-way road (or section thereof) having only a single lane. I.E. when there are LESS than one in each direction, making passing difficult or unsafe at normal speeds.

Re: [talk-au] dirt roads

2012-10-20 Thread John Henderson
On 21/10/12 13:28, dban...@internode.on.net wrote: OK, I'm interested in what you say about lanes= John (and the rest too!) I use lanes=1 to indicate that a road is generally only wide enough for one car, if one approaches traveling in the other direction, both need to slow a little and pull

Re: [talk-au] dirt roads

2012-10-20 Thread Matt White
On 21/10/2012 1:35 PM, dban...@internode.on.net wrote: Well said Matt, especially the bit about dirt roads being the fun ones ! I might have made myself a bit clearer about why I posted. Firstly, because I want to ensure people are happy with proposed edits to the wiki. But secondly, I'd

Re: [talk-au] dirt roads

2012-10-20 Thread Ian Sergeant
On 21/10/12 13:35, dban...@internode.on.net wrote: As you say Matt, 4x4_only is a good tag and well used in Oz. However, I don't know of any rendering engine that uses it, about the only way to find out if it has been applied is to go into edit mode. And you are right, we sure don't need

Re: [talk-au] dirt roads (Nathan Van Der Meulen)

2012-10-20 Thread dbannon
  Hi Nathan, rather than difficult, I'm surprised how in agreement every one is ! Thanks folks !  If it goes on like this, I'll post a summary in a few days. From: Nathan Van Der Meulen Firstly, just because a road is dirt (unsealed/unpaved) doesn't make it any less important than many

Re: [talk-au] dirt roads

2012-10-20 Thread dbannon
  Ian, would it be fair to say that your model would require the presence of the 4x4_only tag on all unsealed roads to be useful ? Currently, the default is that no 4x4_only tag means no restriction. I suggest its a bit late to change that behavior, too many roads already in the database would

Re: [talk-au] dirt roads

2012-10-20 Thread Ian Sergeant
On 21 October 2012 16:05, dban...@internode.on.net wrote: Ian, would it be fair to say that your model would require the presence of the 4x4_only tag on all unsealed roads to be useful ? Currently, the default is that no 4x4_only tag means no restriction. I suggest its a bit late to change