Reading this article earlier:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-08/google-maps-to-fix-routes-trapped-travellers-queensland/100805884
So what's the best way to avoid the same issues?
Thanks
Graeme
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We have a reasonable if not perfect tagging system for a router to
assess (and make assumptions) about the quality of a road for various
types of vehicle in BEST CASE conditions. motorway versus track,
tracktype, asphalt versus gravel being the main ones.
From a router point of view it would
Some jurisdictions do publish live traffic updates in GeoJSON, examples:
- https://opendata.transport.nsw.gov.au/dataset/live-traffic-hazards
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https://www.data.qld.gov.au/dataset/131940-traffic-and-travel-information-geojson-api
Note a lot of these API feeds are licenced CC-BY, so down
On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 13:35, Michael Collinson wrote:
> We have a reasonable if not perfect tagging system for a router to assess
> (and make assumptions) about the quality of a road for various types of
> vehicle in BEST CASE conditions. motorway versus track, tracktype, asphalt
> versus gravel
On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 14:02, Brendan Barnes wrote:
> Some jurisdictions do publish live traffic updates in GeoJSON, examples:
>
>- https://opendata.transport.nsw.gov.au/dataset/live-traffic-hazards
>-
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> https://www.data.qld.gov.au/dataset/131940-traffic-and-travel-information-geojso
On Feb 8, 2022, at 8:08 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
> Do routers "read" such things as flood-prone, intermittent & seasonal?
My "quick, off-the-cuff" answer would be: "better routers SHOULD." The real
answer is very much "check your particular router."
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Absolutely Steva. Better routers make better decisions.
But yeah Graeme, my preference would be a router to read live GeoJSON
sources, for the most accurate "what's happening on the ground right now"
when considering traffic hazards. This is (relatively) easier for websites
and smartphone apps tha
Thanks, fellas! It's not an utterly stupid idea then!
On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 14:46, Brendan Barnes wrote:
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> If a road has definitive closure dates we might be able to utilise
> opening_hours. I tried to start something similar on Victorian Alps
> seasonal road closures, for example
> https://ww
Yep opening_hours was approved for ways, and an example given was for
summer-only roads
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:opening_hours#Voting_addon_.22way.22
Whilst opening_hours is popular on amenities, the tag really doesn't seem
to get much usage on highway tags. Perhaps wrapping it
The challenge with specifying months is the "wet"/"dry" season is it is not always fixed. i.e. Lakefield National Park is not expected to open to June this year, and other roads in the area further north are closed till July. (Some didn't even open at all last year, but that was more to do with
On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at 08:25, wrote:
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> The challenge with specifying months is the "wet"/"dry" season is it is
> not always fixed.
>
True, but if we modify Brendan's suggestion a bit to:
vehicle:conditional=no @ Dec-Apr ("Road is generally impassable during the
wet season - seek local knowled
Thanks Graeme, I'll just tweak your brackets a little to be a valid tag:
vehicle:conditional=no @ (Dec-Apr "Road is generally impassable during the
wet season - seek local knowledge")
My only feedback would be an explicit conditional=*no* should only be used
if there's signage or other evidence t
Hey Brendan, Graeme
If we wanted to alleviate the explicitly conditional problem, you could
combine the following:
vehicle:conditional=discouraged @ (Dec-Apr "Impassable during wet
season")
vehicle:conditional=no @ (Dec-Apr and wet)
By leaving it discouraged without further info gives wi
A further thought,
Tagging permissions that open the road in certain times, rather than
close them, could also lead to better outcomes with less sophisticated
routing software/offline connections.
access=no
access:conditional=yes @ (May-Nov)
access:conditional= discouraged @ (Dec-Apr and
No argument at all from me!
Just thinking of possible options :-)
On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at 11:55, Dian Ågesson wrote:
> A further thought,
>
> Tagging permissions that open the road in certain times, rather than close
> them, could also lead to better outcomes with less sophisticated routing
> so
Back in 1990, Cyclone Joy (note to BOM - please check names first!!!) hit
central Queensland and as the water washed down the catchments, roads
closed and then reopened at various times. The coastal highway reopened
about 22 days after closing with traffic using a single lane. The year
before had b
On unpaved roads - they can close at any time there is rain. Some mine
sites also close access roads with rain, some locals think thye close
them way too often.
There are also councils that close roads - placing signs on them where
accessible from paved roads. Some of the councils have fines
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