Hi folks, I have put _my_ summary of this discussion on
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Australian_Tagging_Guidelines
discussion tab. if I don't get beaten up too badly about it, I'll move
it to the main page. I am presenting it as the outcome of the group
discussion so please feel fre
On 26/10/12 08:43, Andrew Harvey wrote:
On 22/10/12 11:20, Ross Scanlon wrote:
Mapnik 2 will allow tagging of 4wd_only=recommended and 4wd_only=yes.
An example of 4wd_only=yes here:
http://map.4x4falcon.com/?zoom=14&lat=-20.73023&lon=116.99701&layers=B0F
The 4wd_only=recommended is similar bu
On 22/10/12 11:20, Ross Scanlon wrote:
> Mapnik 2 will allow tagging of 4wd_only=recommended and 4wd_only=yes.
>
> An example of 4wd_only=yes here:
>
> http://map.4x4falcon.com/?zoom=14&lat=-20.73023&lon=116.99701&layers=B0F
>
> The 4wd_only=recommended is similar but shows "4WD Recommended".
>
and osm is ?
David
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Mapnik 2 will allow tagging of 4wd_only=recommended and 4wd_only=yes.
An example
On 24 October 2012 09:48, David Bannon wrote:
> My plan at the moment is to document this discussion on the OSM wiki and
> then start lobbying the people who maintain the OSM website's slippery map
> to do just what you have done there. I guess we all expected it to be
> do-able but nice to have
mind if I used that link as a reference ? I must admit I
don't know just how good the relationship between fosm and osm is ?
David
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Mapnik 2 will allow
p://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features are more appropriate in
most such circumstances.
John
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On 23/10/12 22:31, Nathan Van Der Meulen wrote:
I don't like 4wd_only=no because many tracks that may be used by 2wds
can rapidly deteriorate to a 4wd track and, as previously mentioned,
weather can change everything. I know forestry roads that are
definitely classed as "touristy" roads but, a
roads - a summary (Mark Pulley)
4. Re: dirt roads - a summary (John Henderson)
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 10:39:53 +1030
From: "David Bannon"
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [talk-au] dirt roads - a summary
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On 23/10/12 15:42, Mark Pulley wrote:
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> Over the last few years I have added many tracks that are definitely
> drivable with a 2-wheel drive (the vast majority added using the GPS
> trace from my 2-wheel drive car). 4x4 required should definitely not
> be implied by highway=track.
Seconded, fro
On 23/10/2012, at 11:09 AM, David Bannon wrote:
> 1. Nathan sees all cases of highway=track implying 4x4 required. I don't
> really agree, the dynamic range in this space is just too tight, we need to
> use 'track' on roads that are both 4x4 and not 4x4. Thats what 4x4_only tag
> is for. Whats
On 23 October 2012 11:09, David Bannon wrote:
> 2. Ian likes the idea that tracks or unsealed roads can be marked
> 4x4_only=no if someone has done a survey and decided that's appropriate.
> Particularly in places where there may be some assumption that the tracks
> are often pretty tough. I am n
Hi Folks, a summary of discussion on dirt roads before I hack at the
discussion tab of Australian_Road_Tagging. Seems to me two issues not
completely clear -
1. Nathan sees all cases of highway=track implying 4x4 required. I
don't really agree, the dynamic range in this space is just too tight,
we
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On 21/10/12 13:28, dban...@internode.on.net wrote:
> OK, I'm intereste
On 21 October 2012 16:05, wrote:
> Ian, would it be fair to say that your model would require the presence of
> the 4x4_only tag on all unsealed roads to be useful ? Currently, the default
> is that no 4x4_only tag means no restriction. I suggest its a bit late to
> change that behavior, too man
Ian, would it be fair to say that your model would require the
presence of the 4x4_only tag on all unsealed roads to be useful ?
Currently, the default is that no 4x4_only tag means no restriction. I
suggest its a bit late to change that behavior, too many roads already
in the database would nee
Hi Nathan, rather than difficult, I'm surprised how in agreement every
one is ! Thanks folks ! If it goes on like this, I'll post a summary
in a few days.
> From: "Nathan Van Der Meulen"
> Firstly, just because a road is dirt (unsealed/unpaved) doesn't make
it any less important than many ot
On 21/10/12 13:35, dban...@internode.on.net wrote:
As you say Matt, 4x4_only is a good tag and well used in Oz. However,
I don't know of any rendering engine that uses it, about the only way
to find out if it has been applied is to go into edit mode. And you
are right, we sure don't need 4x4_
On 21/10/2012 1:35 PM, dban...@internode.on.net wrote:
Well said Matt, especially the bit about dirt roads being the fun ones !
I might have made myself a bit clearer about why I posted. Firstly,
because I want to ensure people are happy with proposed edits to the
wiki. But secondly, I'd like
On 21/10/12 13:28, dban...@internode.on.net wrote:
OK, I'm interested in what you say about lanes= John (and the rest
too!)
I use lanes=1 to indicate that a road is generally only wide enough
for one car, if one approaches traveling in the other direction, both
need to slow a little and pull of
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Hi
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A couple of quick comments:
There is a 4wd tag already in use - 4wd_only:yes|recommended (with
no being a pointless value)
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w
ments, especially about the Hume !
David
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On 21/10/12 12:03, dban...@internode.on.net wrote:
> lanes=[1; 2]
I thing the "lanes" tag is best n
On 21/10/12 12:03, dban...@internode.on.net wrote:
lanes=[1; 2]
I thing the "lanes" tag is best not used, unless there's more than two
marked lanes on a two-way road, or more than one lane on a one-way road.
This is the recommendation in the Australian tagging guidelines:
http://wiki.openstre
A couple of quick comments:
There is a 4wd tag already in use - 4wd_only:yes|recommended (with no
being a pointless value)
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:4wd_only%3Dyes There's about 1000
instances of this tag in use in Australia.
There was a proposal kicking around ages ago that wa
Hi Folks, recent I have been going over parts of OSM mapped some time
ago, following up on the infamous redaction. One thing that jumps out
at me is the inconsistent tagging of dirt roads. Even, I must say,
ones I have done myself but over a several year time span.
So I started to write some not
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