Re: [talk-au] Unclassified Highway Speeds

2022-04-21 Thread stevea
I say this "from a great distance," but here goes: if you consider that AU:Urban or AU:rural (and/or similar) are QUITE LOOSE compared to EXPLICIT tagging, you might be able to nudge things ahead in a semantic parsing sense. It won't be perfect, it likely never will be (ambiguities about

Re: [talk-au] Unclassified Highway Speeds

2022-04-21 Thread Andrew Hughes
Thank you all for your contributions to this thread so far, much appreciated! *Please correct me if you disagree with this...* 1. So it would seem that ALL roads should be tagged with maxspeed and assigned a numeric value (kph), where the maxspeed is known. 2. Supplementary to #1. the

Re: [talk-au] Unclassified Highway Speeds

2022-04-20 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 at 14:58, Dian Ågesson wrote: > Hey Andrew, > > I’m chiming in as I encountered this issue documenting the “cleaned up” > Roads tagging guidelines. ( > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Roads) > > > The tagging guidelines (both prior to, and

Re: [talk-au] Unclassified Highway Speeds

2022-04-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 at 15:02, stevea wrote: > At this point, I believe I am some Yank who babbles too much. > Not at all, AFAIK! :-) Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Unclassified Highway Speeds

2022-04-19 Thread stevea
Very nice to see this discussion. At this point, I believe I am some Yank who babbles too much. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Unclassified Highway Speeds

2022-04-19 Thread Dian Ågesson
Hey Andrew, I'm chiming in as I encountered this issue documenting the "cleaned up" Roads tagging guidelines. (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Roads) The tagging guidelines (both prior to, and following cleanup) state it is good practice in Australia to

Re: [talk-au] Unclassified Highway Speeds

2022-04-19 Thread Andrew Hughes
Hi All, First, I thought the tagging guidelines were "don't tag unless it's a non-default value" (my language to describe this might be inaccurate, feel free to improve). If this is true, then I shouldn't tag rural ALL roads with maxspeed. It's only those that are "non-default". *Can anyone

Re: [talk-au] Unclassified Highway Speeds

2022-04-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
In regard to defaults, the default 50kph Qld (Oz-wide?) urban residential limit should apply around here, & sure enough, most streets are 50. But we also have some residential streets posted as 40, 60 & 70, as well as 40 conditional school zones. So I assume (using that terrible word! :-)) that

Re: [talk-au] Unclassified Highway Speeds

2022-04-19 Thread stevea
On Apr 19, 2022, at 4:29 AM, Andrew Harvey wrote: > ...Otherwise I think this will always be lacking in OSM until those maxspeed > tags are set. Right: this is the crux of what I was getting at. Explicit data in OSM can be trusted, implicitly inferring data because of "defaults," well, not so

Re: [talk-au] Unclassified Highway Speeds

2022-04-19 Thread Andrew Harvey
How about your suggestion, assigning defaults based on urban/rural, which you may be able to roughly assign based on buffering highway=residential? Otherwise I think this will always be lacking in OSM until those maxspeed tags are set. In NSW we have some open data

Re: [talk-au] Unclassified Highway Speeds

2022-04-19 Thread stevea
On Apr 18, 2022, at 6:50 PM, Andrew Hughes wrote: > We're using OSM and pgrouting and it's GREAT! > > Something that I have found difficult to come to terms with, is assigning a > "default speed" for unclassified roads (without a maxspeed tag). This is > because in metro area's these are

[talk-au] Unclassified Highway Speeds

2022-04-18 Thread Andrew Hughes
Hi All, We're using OSM and pgrouting and it's GREAT! Something that I have found difficult to come to terms with, is assigning a "default speed" for unclassified roads (without a maxspeed tag). This is because in metro area's these are most-likely to be 50kph. However, out in regional areas