Re: [OSM-talk] shameless copying: still going on !!

2012-08-09 Thread Thomas Davie
On 9 Aug 2012, at 14:10, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: Now the map cleaning phase has been completed (according to the message of the day in JOSM) Per today 8/9/2012 I still find most of my contributions that were contributed under the

Re: [OSM-talk] Image of the Week: Olympic stadium athens ccbysa2

2012-08-07 Thread Thomas Davie
On 7 Aug 2012, at 13:38, Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com wrote: The image of the week These are Featured images, which have been identified as the best examples of OpenStreetMap mapping, or as useful illustrations of the OpenStreetMap project. This week, The Olympic stadium in

Re: [OSM-talk] Explanation for image of the week 31?

2012-07-30 Thread Thomas Davie
On 30 Jul 2012, at 17:26, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: What's the joke on the current image of the week? It's a reference to Harry Potter and the Olympics? Is it a rendering of a real Olympics stadium or what? And why are the locations and such scrambled? I would guess the locations

Re: [OSM-talk] One town, two featured images

2012-05-30 Thread Thomas Davie
On 30 May 2012, at 08:45, Andrew wrote: Should a map of the whole world really have two images of Oxford featured in three weeks? If Oxford has two special things in it in 3 weeks, I don't see why not. Thanks Tom Davie ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM : It's a shame !!!

2012-05-29 Thread Thomas Davie
It's So Funny has not copied your data here, he has simply modified it (in this case, changing highway=residential to highway=unclassified). When the redaction bot is unleashed, if you have still not accepted the CTs (do you have a particular reason not to?), this data will be deleted. There

Re: [OSM-talk] TomTom is thumping us

2012-05-29 Thread Thomas Davie
Certainly Apple mark footpaths as roads in the data that they have used from us, but that's a rendering issue, not a data issue. Tom Davie On 29 May 2012, at 09:14, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Whatever. I've certainly seen footpaths classified as roads in commercial online maps for instance.

Re: [OSM-talk] TomTom is thumping us

2012-05-29 Thread Thomas Davie
To be honest, if a road has no classification, and is made of mud and gravel, it's a track... If it's an official road in some way, then clearly it is classified ;) Thanks Tom Davie On 29 May 2012, at 09:32, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/5/29 John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com: footpaths

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM : It's a shame !!!

2012-05-29 Thread Thomas Davie
a shame !!! On 2012-05-29 09:49, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 5/29/2012 3:00 AM, Maarten Deen wrote: On 2012-05-29 08:41, Thomas Davie wrote: It's So Funny has not copied your data here, he has simply modified it (in this case, changing highway=residential to highway=unclassified). When

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM : It's a shame !!!

2012-05-29 Thread Thomas Davie
On 29 May 2012, at 10:15, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: At the time it was judged to be important to keep reference to the original and data. I remember copying lots of old AND tags onto my created roads. I think what should be leading here is the version number, as

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM : It's a shame !!!

2012-05-29 Thread Thomas Davie
On 29 May 2012, at 10:27, Floris Looijesteijn wrote: That's some great imagery if he can read the name signs on that street... The fact that all the tags were ODbL safe had already been established – they were created by another user who had accepted. Thanks Tom Davie

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM : It's a shame !!!

2012-05-29 Thread Thomas Davie
On 29 May 2012, at 10:36, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: Off list ! No need to annoy the list with comments with suggestion on how to cheat even more. No, I'd rather keep it on list, as I'd really like people to know the quickest and best methods for keeping as much

Re: [OSM-talk] (dis)Honesty and Copyright

2012-05-29 Thread Thomas Davie
On 29 May 2012, at 10:50, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: I am really astonished about the way some users on this list react to a claim to respect (my and CC-by-SA) copyright . Do you have an example of such a reply that astonishes you? Thanks Tom

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit review: intermittent waters

2012-05-29 Thread Thomas Davie
On 29 May 2012, at 12:51, Worst Fixer wrote: Hello. I ask you to review my planned edit. There are lot of ways to tag intermittent water feature found in database. Most popular is intermittent=yes. All others come from different old imports. Date ist 2009-2010 year. I countiered ~350

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit review: intermittent waters

2012-05-29 Thread Thomas Davie
Actually, the conclusion, while it involved that, also involved that there are potential other uses (e.g. on river=intermittent; stream=intermittent etc) that need to be checked too, and that this seems like an arbitrary renaming of tags that doesn't gain anything, but may destroy data. Thanks

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM : It's a shame !!!

2012-05-28 Thread Thomas Davie
Hi Gert, First, I'd like to make a semantic point – you were not banned from OSM for not signing up to the CTs, you are still welcome to contribute, as long as you contribute in a way that's compatible with the new license. More importantly though, what's happened here is absolutely

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit review: building=levels=N

2012-05-20 Thread Thomas Davie
On 20 May 2012, at 20:31, Worst Fixer wrote: Hello. 2012/5/20 Paul Norman penor...@mac.com The mechanical edit policy calls for a wiki page with the details of the proposed upload, as well as contact info (i.e. main account). Thanks. I created a wiki page on this:

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit review: ele=0

2012-05-19 Thread Thomas Davie
+1, there's plenty of places with 0 elevation above sea level... what's the issue with it? Bob On 19 May 2012, at 15:10, Cartinus wrote: Can you explain in plain English what kind of problem you see with the ele=0 tag? On 05/19/2012 03:57 PM, Worst Fixer wrote: Hello, all. I ask you

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit review: ele=0

2012-05-19 Thread Thomas Davie
So what you're saying is I know there's broken data there, I'll fix this by deleting good data. That doesn't sound like a good plan to me in any way shape or form. Bob On 19 May 2012, at 15:28, Worst Fixer wrote: Hello. Most of ele=0.0|0|0.000 tags were produced by bad import

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit review: ele=0

2012-05-19 Thread Thomas Davie
On 19 May 2012, at 18:24, Worst Fixer wrote: Hello. If you download archive (or at least read my mail one line further before replying) you notice overview.html containing information you requested. Here is it separated: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BzI7ljRzQhp4dFFOTDI3dDcwMVk

Re: [OSM-talk] handheld gps unit

2012-04-19 Thread Thomas Davie
I'm very pleased with my Garmin eTrex Vista HCx. Bob if (*ra4 != 0xffc78948) { return false; } On 19 Apr 2012, at 13:20, kenneth gonsalves wrote: hi, what are recommendations for a handheld reasonably priced gps unit? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves

Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines

2012-03-24 Thread Thomas Davie
One advantage of remapping is the possibility that there are now better data sets available for import than the PGS data which was originally used. I'm particularly thinking here of the US Canada. This is exactly what I've been doing – non-safe coastline in the UK using the OS OpenData

Re: [OSM-talk] FourSquare and OSM

2012-03-05 Thread Thomas Davie
In their blog they made some cryptic comments about helping OSM with data... No idea what they actually meant though, could just be helping direct users to OSM, could be employing people to map stuff... who knows. Bob if (*ra4 != 0xffc78948) { return false; } On 5 Mar 2012, at 11:17, Joseph

Re: [OSM-talk] Printed map books

2012-02-19 Thread Thomas Davie
I had vaguely considered this as something that could be done with OpenStreetPad. It ought to be pretty easy with its rendering architecture to get OS X to output a PDF document instead of some pretty images on the screen. If you're able to hack on an obj-c project then it could be a good

Re: [OSM-talk] Critical Mass for license change-over

2012-01-28 Thread Thomas Davie
On 28 Jan 2012, at 11:00, Lester Caine wrote: Michal Migurski wrote: (*) There is no final algorithm. There is the best that OSMF can come up with but it will have problems, and there*will* be things deleted which will be reinstated later, and there*will* be things kept which have

Re: [OSM-talk] Spam in user diaries

2012-01-20 Thread Thomas Davie
On 20 Jan 2012, at 10:15, Andreas Labres wrote: On 20.01.12 10:25, Tom Hughes wrote: Sorry, I wasn't trying to be negative, just trying to explain that it was nothing to do with the OSM admins as such and it wasn't something we had any direct control over. To get to the root of the

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Thomas Davie
On 17 Jan 2012, at 13:37, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/1/17 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On 1/17/2012 8:10 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote: I'm not suggesting either of these. But a single chunk of houses is clearly all residential, whether it's the size of a few lots or a huge

Re: [OSM-talk] Mixing OSM and FOSM data

2012-01-15 Thread Thomas Davie
On 15 Jan 2012, at 16:49, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Hi, Have sent this both here and to the fosm mailing list. Anyway, to summarise I don't care about the licence and am fully intending to continue contributing to OSM after the licence change. However I am concerned about severe loss of

[OSM-talk] Coastline rerender

2012-01-10 Thread Thomas Davie
Is there any way we can get a coastline rerender some time soon? It's been broken (but fixed in the data) around inverness for nearly a month now. Thanks Tom Davie ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Things People Say

2011-12-30 Thread Thomas Davie
On 30 Dec 2011, at 14:23, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 12/30/11 11:26, Kai Krueger wrote: There is a second aspect to this too though, motivation. If every time someone suggests some improvements into the consumer side of things, they get shot down by the oldtimers and other people who

Re: [OSM-talk] Things People Say

2011-12-30 Thread Thomas Davie
You're right – it needs to be a bit clearer that there's more than one map available, perhaps the right way to do this though is to make the layers box a bit more obvious, and give the various layers rather more user friendly names, so that people will experiment with a few of them. Tom Davie

Re: [OSM-talk] Things People Say

2011-12-30 Thread Thomas Davie
On 30 Dec 2011, at 15:02, Cartinus wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/30/2011 03:41 PM, Thomas Davie wrote: we shouldn't forget that the goal of the process is to provide high quality maps for people to use. Have you ever read the tile usage policy? How many

Re: [OSM-talk] Things People Say

2011-12-30 Thread Thomas Davie
On 30 Dec 2011, at 15:11, Cartinus wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/30/2011 04:06 PM, Thomas Davie wrote: On 30 Dec 2011, at 15:02, Cartinus wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/30/2011 03:41 PM, Thomas Davie wrote: we shouldn't

Re: [OSM-talk] Things People Say

2011-12-30 Thread Thomas Davie
On 30 Dec 2011, at 15:16, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: On 30/12/2011 16:05, Thomas Davie wrote: You're right – it needs to be a bit clearer that there's more than one map available I believe that the side-scrolling banner at http://openstreetmap.de does it quite well. I disagree – it's poor

Re: [OSM-talk] Things People Say

2011-12-30 Thread Thomas Davie
First of all, one would have to define the exact difference between OSM is providing maps and another project is providing maps. Why exactly would OSM have to provide maps; Perhaps because that's the original, and stated purpose of the project – to make open maps. As I've said many times –

Re: [OSM-talk] Things People Say

2011-12-30 Thread Thomas Davie
if (*ra4 != 0xffc78948) { return false; } On 30 Dec 2011, at 15:57, Pierre-Alain Dorange wrote: Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: I agree wholeheartedly with the view that OSM should be providing maps. I think as long as we continue to cling to this idea that we want third parties

Re: [OSM-talk] Things People Say

2011-12-30 Thread Thomas Davie
On 30 Dec 2011, at 16:15, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 12/30/11 16:55, Thomas Davie wrote: Perhaps because that's the original, and stated purpose of the project – to make open maps. When I started using OSM, the project wasn't making maps; it was making files that you could download

Re: [OSM-talk] Things People Say

2011-12-30 Thread Thomas Davie
Instead, we should simply have something similar to what google maps had at the top of the map – a series of buttons that let you select the style you want to view it in. And how will this let the user find out that there is an iPhone app for planning outdoor running tracks based on OSM?

Re: [OSM-talk] Things People Say

2011-12-30 Thread Thomas Davie
On 30 Dec 2011, at 16:36, Richard Weait wrote: On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com wrote: First of all, one would have to define the exact difference between OSM is providing maps and another project is providing maps. Why exactly would OSM have to provide

Re: [OSM-talk] Things People Say

2011-12-28 Thread Thomas Davie
On 28 Dec 2011, at 10:21, Frederik Ramm wrote: I think that this person is also caught between the I'm in the USA / I'm not in the USA divide. It seems to me that while 90% of OSM activity happens outside the US, 90% of activity in that thread comes from inside the US, so I am not

Re: [OSM-talk] Things People Say

2011-12-28 Thread Thomas Davie
On 28 Dec 2011, at 21:26, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 12/28/2011 09:58 PM, John Sturdy wrote: I think we need to keep the big map with a search box quite prominently, partly because that is a major use, and partly because that is what will attract newcomers' attention and give them a way

Re: [OSM-talk] Things People Say

2011-12-28 Thread Thomas Davie
On 28 Dec 2011, at 21:50, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 12/28/2011 10:41 PM, Thomas Davie wrote: This is a lot better though than Can you believe it, OpenStreetMap doesn't even have an open street map on their home page!. We've been using http://www.openstreetmap.de/ in its current form

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] License Change View on OSM Inspector

2011-12-13 Thread Thomas Davie
The key is to have your own valid source for the information. If your can source the data in a license compatible way and recreate the node yourself without the use of the old node, then it's all good. if (*ra4 != 0xffc78948) { return false; } On 13 Dec 2011, at 09:29, Floris Looijesteijn

Re: [OSM-talk] Roundabouts and routing

2011-09-09 Thread Thomas Davie
On 8 Sep 2011, at 22:39, SomeoneElse wrote: Thomas Davie wrote: Would it be possible to include a link to an example roundabout in OSM? Within the UK there seems to be a variety of tagging approaches, everything from not tagging flares to tagging individual roundabout lanes. I'm

[OSM-talk] Roundabouts and routing

2011-09-08 Thread Thomas Davie
Hi, Today I experimented with using OSM maps on my Garmin sat-nav. The one thing that I noticed was that roundabouts do not work well. The problem seems to be the slip roads entering the roundabout. The sat-nav recognises them as a roundabout in themself, and because of that gives some

Re: [OSM-talk] Removing non-CT data method?

2011-09-01 Thread Thomas Davie
Look at the whole change set, notably, it includes adding this way: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/128541629 Bob if (*ra4 != 0xffc78948) { return false; } On 1 Sep 2011, at 23:06, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 9/1/2011 5:39 PM, Mike N wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-27 Thread Thomas Davie
On 27 Jul 2011, at 10:15, Steve Doerr wrote: On 27/07/2011 03:04, Stephen Hope wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name#Notes Um - no. If a place wants to be written St Albans, then that's the name. Just because you pronounce it Saint Albans makes no difference. If they'd

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik bug? construction bridge site (over the water)

2011-07-18 Thread Thomas Davie
On 18 Jul 2011, at 08:33, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Bugzilla from j...@kub.cz wrote: I think there is a but in Mapnik. Look at the: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.023336lon=12.097374zoom=18layers=M the construction site (northern part of the Steinere Brucke is UNDER the river

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik bug? construction bridge site (over the water)

2011-07-18 Thread Thomas Davie
On 18 Jul 2011, at 09:17, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 7/18/2011 3:38 AM, Thomas Davie wrote: On 18 Jul 2011, at 08:33, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Bugzilla from j...@kub.cz wrote: I think there is a but in Mapnik. Look at the: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.023336lon

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-24 Thread Thomas Davie
On 24 Jun 2011, at 06:32, Mike Dupont wrote: but being locked out of osm is also not pretty. No one is locked out of OSM. You are free to contribute under the CTs, as you always have been. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Thomas Davie
On 16 Jun 2011, at 16:04, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: No, it would be simpler for OSM. If you're willing to public domain your work, you're willing to give it to anyone under any terms. Why would you not contribute under the new CTs if you're willing to accept any

Re: [OSM-talk] Users who disagree to ODbL but want PD / CC0

2011-06-16 Thread Thomas Davie
On 16 Jun 2011, at 16:27, Floris Looijesteijn wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: Works for me - I'm an OSM mapper and the work in question is from OSM mappers. Floris' comments talk about saving as much data as possible, by context, saving it

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-11 Thread Thomas Davie
On 10 Jun 2011, at 23:01, Nathan Edgars II wrote: You're still conflating two decisions. To continue with your referendum analogy, someone may vote no on construction of a new arts center, yet still patronize it once it's complete. But one cannot 'vote' no on the license change and then

Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-18 Thread Thomas Davie
On 18 May 2011, at 07:04, Russ Nelson wrote: can Ken assign copyright in the logo to OSMF. He can, but I see no reason why he should (other than if he particularly wants to). The point of the licensing of this project is for people to get credit for what they did, I don't see why Ken should

Re: [OSM-talk] Skip geographical (redundant) address tags

2011-05-03 Thread Thomas Davie
On 3 May 2011, at 08:57, Jaak Laineste wrote: Hello, It looks like trivial suggestion, but could not find any past discussions with quick search. Is there good reason to add addr:country, addr:county, addr:city and other regional tags to all the address tags, if OSM database already

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-02 Thread Thomas Davie
On 2 May 2011, at 11:18, Dave F. wrote: On 02/05/2011 05:53, Andrew Gregory wrote: I just had to comment on this because I could hardly believe what I was reading. In a global, world-wide-web, no matter what time is selected for an IRC (or whatever) meeting, it's going to be

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-19 Thread Thomas Davie
On 19 Apr 2011, at 01:15, David Murn wrote: On Mon, 2011-04-18 at 11:53 -0700, Steve Coast wrote: ...which is ignoring the 70% or so of all of those people who never edited and can be switched over without incident. That sounds like the thinking of the parties in a real vote, 'if

Re: [OSM-talk] the 70% , was Re: License graph

2011-04-19 Thread Thomas Davie
On 19 Apr 2011, at 09:41, David Groom wrote: - Original Message - From: Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com The thing you're not understanding is that this isn't a vote. It's an agreement to distribute your work under a new license. No, the CT's are an agreement to contribute

Re: [OSM-talk] the 70% , was Re: License graph

2011-04-19 Thread Thomas Davie
On 19 Apr 2011, at 11:09, David Groom wrote: - Original Message - From: Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com On 19 Apr 2011, at 09:41, David Groom wrote: It's not valid to count people who haven't voted in the YES statistics. Its valid to say all the people who have never edited

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Thread Thomas Davie
On 18 Apr 2011, at 18:45, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/4/18 Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com: While I agree that there is a problem with the no votes disapearing if you show the whole graph, it would be useful to show the same *range* on each scale. I.e., as we are currently showing

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Thread Thomas Davie
On 18 Apr 2011, at 19:03, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Thomas Davie wrote: Because it will show the genuine trend – at the moment, a quick glance at the graph would suggest that the no vote is expanding at the same rate, and at the same level as the yes vote. I agree that we can't clearly

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Thread Thomas Davie
I agree that we can't clearly show that they're not at the same level, because it would involve scaling the no vote to 1 100th of the size of the yes vote, but we can clearly show that they're not expanding at the same rate. This is just a simple graph. It is also important to see,

Re: [OSM-talk] Some tiles not rendering?

2011-04-14 Thread Thomas Davie
On 14 Apr 2011, at 14:44, Nakor wrote: On 4/14/2011 9:40 AM, Vladimir Vyskocil wrote: Hi, You can see here : http://munin.openstreetmap.org/openstreetmap/yevaud.openstreetmap/index.html#renderd that the render queue is filed, and if I understand it well new render requests are

Re: [OSM-talk] We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities

2011-04-11 Thread Thomas Davie
On 11 Apr 2011, at 16:27, Mikel Maron wrote: http://brainoff.com/weblog/2011/04/11/1635 Meh – the great thing about being open is that you get to take the moral high ground because you're not stopping other people doing what they like. Why spoil that by trying to stop google doing what they

Re: [OSM-talk] We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities

2011-04-11 Thread Thomas Davie
On 11 Apr 2011, at 16:43, Mikel Maron wrote: Meh – the great thing about being open is that you get to take the moral high ground because you're not stopping other people doing what they like. Why spoil that by trying to stop google doing what they like? Sorry, no time for moral

Re: [OSM-talk] We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities

2011-04-11 Thread Thomas Davie
On 11 Apr 2011, at 17:16, Emilie Laffray wrote: On 11 April 2011 16:48, Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com wrote: If you don't mind about being open, why are you not just using Google's data already? Hello, thank you for your insightful comment, I will move immediately to Google

Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group

2011-03-23 Thread Thomas Davie
On 23 Mar 2011, at 09:52, Stephan Knauss wrote: Elizabeth Dodd writes: I hope there are no errors in these figures for later correction. In my opinion there are. From the LWG minutes, 163,732 users have not made any edits at all and 9277 users have signed up to the ODbL and CTs. 9277 /

Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group

2011-03-23 Thread Thomas Davie
On 23 Mar 2011, at 09:55, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/3/23 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net: I hope there are no errors in these figures for later correction. From http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Stats the total number of users is approaching 375,000. From the LWG minutes, 163,732

Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group

2011-03-23 Thread Thomas Davie
On 23 Mar 2011, at 10:09, John Smith wrote: On 23 March 2011 19:57, Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com wrote: Not forgetting that's what's really important is what percentage of edits come under the new license – the stats for that seem much more healthy. Considering that about 1/3rd to 1/2

Re: [OSM-talk] the coastline

2011-03-21 Thread Thomas Davie
On 21 Mar 2011, at 21:59, Andy Robinson wrote: I'd place the coastline at the low water mark because you know then that its always true. The coastline at the high water mark is only true a couple of times a day or whatever. Then it needs a high_water_mark way adding and ideally rendered in

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-21 Thread Thomas Davie
On 21 Feb 2011, at 07:09, yvecai wrote: IMO, 'imports' should be simply considered as datasources, not data. We lack tools to properly use this data. Having great tools like for imagery or GPS tracks in the various editors, maybe with a copy/paste feature to import data semi-manually would

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-21 Thread Thomas Davie
Do you think that when MapQuest started using OSM data to generate their maps, they performed all the necessary data transformations BY HAND? Do you think that MapQuest would be using OSM data at all if it was no more accurate than the data they could automatically import themselves? Bob

Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts

2011-02-12 Thread Thomas Davie
On 12 Feb 2011, at 08:43, Lester Caine wrote: pec...@gmail.com wrote: I think we can call it a day. I really doubt Microsoft will be that interested in OSM anymore when they got Nokia on their hook. I think it's probably another example of M$ trying to stifle the THIRD horse while they

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=unsurfaced

2011-02-12 Thread Thomas Davie
On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 19:30 +, Steve Doerr wrote: Nothing official, but it would be very unusual for anybody to call something that wasn't surfaced a road. Appologies if I'm repeating something that's already been said – I've only just joined the list, but what's inappropriate about