Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

Generally the planimetric CAD drawings (what Stewart posted) are/were the source for most municipal building footprints, from what I've seen in my experience. In some cases the footprints are still maintained in that format and exported out for GIS, while in other cases they're now exclusively

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

There is also a factual basis in the example Scruss provided: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:12.PNG TD Place(Renovated/New buildings constructed in Summer 2014) is not mapped in the DWG(scruss said as far back as 2011) In the newer data it is:

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

I believe Bjenk was kidding when stating he'd be buying a coffee. On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 6:16 PM, john whelan wrote: > Both the City of Ottawa and the Canadian Federal Government have rules in > place about bribery and corruption. Buying a civil servant a coffee these >

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

Both the City of Ottawa and the Canadian Federal Government have rules in place about bribery and corruption. Buying a civil servant a coffee these days is one of the forbidden activities. I do trust you are not suggesting that illegal methods were used when the data was obtained. The use of

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

Bjenk(STATS Can) is communicating/pushing with the the city of Ottawa, even may resolve to offering coffee bribes to be able to host the shared file on open.canada.ca. He's been relentless in his effort to move the project forward, but as most Canadian gouvernment entities it moves at a snails

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

On 2016-10-24 4:08 PM, James wrote: I've updated the file(I can't delete it without and admin) thanks James, looks good. -jeff -- Jeff McKenna President Emeritus, OSGeo Foundation http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Jeff_McKenna ___ Talk-ca

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

I've updated the file(I can't delete it without and admin) On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote: > On 2016-10-24 3:50 PM, James wrote: > >> It was more to prove that the emails are Trusted sources and not made >> up. The emails are public already

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

On 2016-10-24 3:50 PM, James wrote: It was more to prove that the emails are Trusted sources and not made up. The emails are public already in the contact section of the import wiki.If I hide emails/domains then I'm obfuscating the process. These emails are public emails @ottawa.ca

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

It was more to prove that the emails are Trusted sources and not made up. The emails are public already in the contact section of the import wiki.If I hide emails/domains then I'm obfuscating the process. These emails are public emails @ottawa.ca and @canada.ca. No personal emails are visible On

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

On 2016-10-24 3:28 PM, James wrote: I've received a forwarded email from Bjenk that may settle the debate where the data originates from (I'd forward it to the list, but it would be lost in the mail archive and detach the main thread(:

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

You asked: Could you please clarify what the alleged source of the building data to be imported is? I clarified. I did not change the subject. The source of the data is the city of Ottawa On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Monday 24 October

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

As for general availability of the files I have this email chain(which was documented that there was bureaucracy behind the scenes): *From:* Perkins, Stephen M [mailto:stephen.perk...@ottawa.ca] *Sent:* July-26-16 4:15 PM *To:* Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) *Cc:* Cross,

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

Christoph, At the moment the Ottawa building footprint dataset is not on any official portal other then being shared on a public Amazon S3 Bucket. You can download the file here: https://s3.amazonaws.com/statscan/ottawa-buildings.geojson The data doesn't contain any specific tags, only the

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

As stated, multiple times on this list already: the city of Ottawa gave data to Statistics Canada. Statistics Canada gave us (amazon cloud link) data, which is just building outlines. In case you are in doubt this project is actually happening or not (and I am just making the whole thing up):

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

Seems like they may have dumped it on their servers to the public: http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/cad-topographic-data This would explain why some buildings are outdated: *Update Frequency: Never*as compared to: http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/addresspoints *Update Frequency: Weekly* On Mon, Oct

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

On 2016-10-24 08:04 AM, James wrote: > I've updated the documentation and incorporated Scruss's findings on the > build source data: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario:Ottawa/Import/TopographicMap Cool! I was hoping to be able to show that the geojson data that you were given

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

ns… >> >> >> >> Daniel >> >> >> >> *From:* James [mailto:james2...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Saturday, 22 October, 2016 10:54 >> *To:* Stewart C. Russell >> *Cc:* Talk-CA OpenStreetMap >> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottaw

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

turday, 22 October, 2016 10:54 > *To:* Stewart C. Russell > *Cc:* Talk-CA OpenStreetMap > *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses > [Statistics Canada project] > > > > http://ftp.geogratis.gc.ca/pub/nrcan_rncan/vector/canvec/shp/Man

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

10:54 To: Stewart C. Russell Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project] http://ftp.geogratis.gc.ca/pub/nrcan_rncan/vector/canvec/shp/ManMade/ 50K man made just seems to be nodes of where buildings are loc

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

On 2016-10-22 12:12 AM, James wrote: > Converting, DWG to DXF to open in qgis should be fun nah, all that pointenclicky would do me no good at all. This is what OGR is for: ogr2ogr -f GeoJSON -s_srs epsg:2951 -t_srs epsg:4326 \ -dialect SQLite \ -sql "select * from entities

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

http://ftp.geogratis.gc.ca/pub/nrcan_rncan/vector/canvec/shp/ManMade/ 50K man made just seems to be nodes of where buildings are located, instead of outlines. Judging by : http://atlas.gc.ca/toporama/en/index.html They have a few buildings in CanVEC, but not all of them. Seems like massive

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

On 2016-10-21 11:41 PM, James wrote: > Sounds like it, but the data handed to us didnt have sidewalks and > roads, driveways etc. Ottawa may have exported data from this file Yes, for sure. I've now had more of a chance to look at the data (thanks, Ottawa, for providing no docs at all ...). I'm

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

Converting, DWG to DXF to open in qgis should be fun On Oct 21, 2016 11:41 PM, "James" wrote: > Sounds like it, but the data handed to us didnt have sidewalks and roads, > driveways etc. Ottawa may have exported data from this file > > On Oct 21, 2016 11:19 PM, "Stewart C.

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

Sounds like it, but the data handed to us didnt have sidewalks and roads, driveways etc. Ottawa may have exported data from this file On Oct 21, 2016 11:19 PM, "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > On 2016-10-20 10:37 AM, James wrote: > > > > We seem to be turning in a circle around

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

On 2016-10-20 10:37 AM, James wrote: > > We seem to be turning in a circle around "building source data is not > publicly available" These might be the source data: http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/cad-topographic-data Unfortunately, it's a 3+ GB archive of DWG files that has taken nearly two

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

Hi! > Commitment to follow the rules > > Please ensure that any documentation contains a commitment to follow the > Import/Guidelines > and Automated > Edits code of conduct >

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

I agree as well, we should be careful not to delete the history of the OSM features. It does take longer in the dense areas of the city, however in the rural areas it's not a concern since there just isn't any buildings what so ever. Great comment & concern, *~~* *Denis Carriere* *GIS

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

I agree with Pavel (about the guidelines being considered to be followed to a T, when guidelines by definition are what should be done) As for Ottawa relying on external sources to collect data/correct the data. Ottawa has a GIS team and surveyors and do said work internally. So they do own 100%

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

I was wrong there is one sign up(i'm glad I drove there) http://openstreetview.com/details/21585/18 See? no "ê". On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 10:37 AM, James wrote: > What is highly questionable about two levels of Government reaching out to > the community to help them with

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

What is highly questionable about two levels of Government reaching out to the community to help them with complying/importing authoritative data? US has tiger data(I'm aware it's not the greatest example), Canada has (CanVec). Now we are down to a municipal level and the data(especially addresses

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

If you are complaining that it doesnt have "ê" you are going to have to talk to the city of ottawa as that street does not have it(I know it I live near there). There is no street sign as it is a private development. Take a look at: http://maps.ottawa.ca/geoottawa/ or google maps or even geobase

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

Christoph, the source data for buildings has 0 tags that need to be translated as it is only building footprints and *0 attributes*. The source on an Ottawa web site/federal website is non-existant for the time being as: the city of ottawa litterally gave statscan a file on a flash drive to deal

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

Please note my comments/concerns on the process here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Canada:Ontario:Ottawa/Import/Plan copied below — Initial Comments on Plan It would be helpful if the plan were structured more like the Los Angeles, California/Buildings Import

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

If you really need source data it will be available when the goverment makes up their mind where to host it. If you need it we have it in GeoJSON format here: https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/addxy.com/ottawa-buildings.geojson Original file shouldn't matter anyways as it's full of errors to

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

Bjenk said he will send me the agreement Friday when he's back at the office that will clear us for use of the data. On Oct 19, 2016 5:01 PM, "James" wrote: > I will contact Bjenk to get the agreement between StatsCan and the city of > Ottawa and update the permission as

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] [Import] Ottawa Buildings & Addresses [Statistics Canada project]

I will contact Bjenk to get the agreement between StatsCan and the city of Ottawa and update the permission as they have previously discussed licensing in OpenStreetMap with Ottawa's data and the result was that it was compatible On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Paul Norman