[Talk-ca] Building Canada 2020 initiative

[Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN)]

Hello all!

Statistics Canada was a partner of the 2017 HOT Summit held in Ottawa, Sept 
14-15. In parallel to the summit, Statistics Canada hosted a workshop to 
discuss the possibility of launching a community-led initiative titled 
"Building Canada 2020".

The goal and vision of this initiative is simple: map all buildings in Canada 
on OSM by the year 2020. The workshop was well attended. There were about 50 
people from various sectors (federal, academic, civic group, and private). This 
was a preliminary discussion amongst a small group of people, but now that 
broad interest has been confirmed more stakeholders need to be involved!

A short summary of the workshop along with a first draft Roadmap to 
implementation has been posted on the OSM Wiki at: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020

Everyone that shares the vision of "mapping all buildings in Canada on OSM by 
the year 2020" is invited to contribute to the discussion and the roadmap to 
implementation. In addition, there is still need to discuss how coordination, 
communication and governance of this initiative can be set in place.

One important aspect that needs to be emphasized is that "Building Canada 2020" 
is not a Statistics Canada project. In fact, it is not properly a project of 
any sort. It is a vision and an aspirational goal. The hope is that many 
organizations and contributors working with an open data resource (OSM) can 
coordinate their efforts through a multitude of projects, initiatives, and 
activities towards a common goal that would benefit society at large.

My team at Statistics Canada (DEIL) has been working on a pilot project with 
OSM (which was presented at the HOT Summit). We are looking at the possibility 
of a second Statistics Canada project to expand to other cities the work done 
with the pilot in Ottawa and Gatineau. If this happens, this StatCan project 
would contribute to, and align with, the Building Canada 2020 initiative. 
Hopefully this will be but one of many projects and activities contributing to 
the vision. Where possible, we would be happy to coordinate work with other 
organizations or groups that share the vision. We would also be happy to share 
experiences and the tools developed while working with building information on 
OSM.

We look forward to further collaboration with the OSM communities as we move 
forward with the second phase of our project and expand to more cities.

Best regards
Alessandro and DEIL Team


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Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22

[Matthew Darwin]

Yes.

Matthew Darwin
matt...@mdarwin.ca
http://www.mdarwin.ca

On 2017-09-28 12:17 PM, James wrote:
And as a local chapter new comers could suggest/view tasks to work 
on. Kind of like what we did for Fort Mac.


A centralized communication hub would enable us to move forward and 
concentrate our efforts(small remote villages for example)




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[Talk-ca] weeklyOSM #375 2017-09-19-2017-09-25

[weeklyteam]

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 375,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/9500/

Enjoy!

weeklyOSM? 
who?: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
where?: 
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3
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Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22

[James]

And as a local chapter new comers could suggest/view tasks to work on. Kind
of like what we did for Fort Mac.

A centralized communication hub would enable us to move forward and
concentrate our efforts(small remote villages for example)

On Sep 28, 2017 12:12 PM, "Matthew Darwin"  wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> In my view we definitely need OSMCanada to go beyond the big cities.  It
> is not "Canada" if we don't.
>
> In my view the main things that a collection of people cannot do on their
> own are:
>
> 1) Have a bank account.  There are groups that would give and organization
> money to do things around OSM. You can't just give money to an
> individual.   Also might need to look into charitable status later on so
> people could give donations and get a tax receipt (more paperwor overhead
> for that)
>
> 2) Look into getting money from the feds.  There have been announcements
> about Feds making money available for Smart Cities and related activities,
> for sure money cannot go to individuals.  I am waiting to see the details
> on what they are going to fund.
>
> Monies received could go towards meetups/hosting costs (which people pay
> out of their own pocket now) as well as "hiring" people to work on specific
> projects which normally they would not spend time on or maybe travel
> costs to go do a survey in an area which needs help, but has no expert
> mappers. or more training activities for folks. I could also see an
> educational component whereas it would be great to have people go into
> highschool civic classes and do a session on OSM.
>
> 3) The Building Canada 2020 project needs some leadership to make things
> happen.  Having an organization helping to drive that would make that
> easier.
>
> 4) There are things that some folks across the country have done to
> improve their area of the map... would be good to share practices more
> broadly, in a Canadian context.
>
> Of course all of these can be done in a private organization (eg like
> Mapbox), but I feel that building an organization to represent the broader
> community would be more beneficial in the long run.
>
> My 2c.
> On 2017-09-28 08:19 AM, Brian Bancroft wrote:
>
> Hi Matthew,
>
> It seems like an interesting idea. I've been travelling a bit lately, and
> I've found there's a lot of people out there who don't know about OSM where
> the platform is exactly what they need.
>
> Would a robust OSMCanada spread the Gospel beyond the cities? Would it
> seek to incorporate local GIS imports on the map with legal support and
> task management?
>
> Do we know what an incorporated OSMCanada would do that the informal
> association of really nice and diligent people can't do on their own?
>
> I won't be making SoTMUS this year, but I'd love to hear more about what
> your aims are with this venture, and the problems you and others believe
> (or know) it would solve through incorporation and (possibly?)  sweet
> government handouts. I'm guessing that these are the questions you want to
> crunch out while you're at the gathering of interesting people.
>
> Best wishes and good luck with this endeavour,
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>
> *From:* jwhelan0...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* September 28, 2017 7:06 AM
> *To:* scr...@gmail.com
> *Cc:* talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22
>
> I hadn't heard of them and I'm in Ottawa but there again I'm not very
> sociable.  I question why such a decision would be made out of the country?
>
> Does it matter if someone creates a not for profit Canadian corporation? I
> think it would have to change its name though there have been discussions
> recently about the use of OSM in names.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 27 September 2017 at 21:59, Stewart C. Russell 
> wrote:
>
>> On 2017-09-27 05:49 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Are any Canadian folks going to State of the Map US October 20-22
>> > https://2017.stateofthemap.us/
>>
>> Nope. Wish I could afford it.
>>
>> > During the conference, I would like to have a discussion about turning
>> > the informal https://www.osmcanada.ca/ into a not-for-profit Canadian
>> > corporation.
>>
>> I'd be opposed. Who are osmcanada? They don't represent me. Last I heard
>> it was an informal group of mappers in Ottawa. What would the non-profit
>> do? How would it justify its status? Would it be attempting to be an
>> OSMF Chapter?
>>
>>  Stewart
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Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22

[Matthew Darwin]

Hi Brian,

In my view we definitely need OSMCanada to go beyond the big cities.  
It is not "Canada" if we don't.


In my view the main things that a collection of people cannot do on 
their own are:


1) Have a bank account.  There are groups that would give and 
organization money to do things around OSM. You can't just give money 
to an individual.   Also might need to look into charitable status 
later on so people could give donations and get a tax receipt (more 
paperwor overhead for that)


2) Look into getting money from the feds.  There have been 
announcements about Feds making money available for Smart Cities and 
related activities, for sure money cannot go to individuals. I am 
waiting to see the details on what they are going to fund.


Monies received could go towards meetups/hosting costs (which people 
pay out of their own pocket now) as well as "hiring" people to work on 
specific projects which normally they would not spend time on or 
maybe travel costs to go do a survey in an area which needs help, but 
has no expert mappers. or more training activities for folks. I could 
also see an educational component whereas it would be great to have 
people go into highschool civic classes and do a session on OSM.


3) The Building Canada 2020 project needs some leadership to make 
things happen.  Having an organization helping to drive that would 
make that easier.


4) There are things that some folks across the country have done to 
improve their area of the map... would be good to share practices more 
broadly, in a Canadian context.


Of course all of these can be done in a private organization (eg like 
Mapbox), but I feel that building an organization to represent the 
broader community would be more beneficial in the long run.


My 2c.

On 2017-09-28 08:19 AM, Brian Bancroft wrote:

Hi Matthew,

It seems like an interesting idea. I've been travelling a bit 
lately, and I've found there's a lot of people out there who don't 
know about OSM where the platform is exactly what they need.


Would a robust OSMCanada spread the Gospel beyond the cities? Would 
it seek to incorporate local GIS imports on the map with legal 
support and task management?


Do we know what an incorporated OSMCanada would do that the informal 
association of really nice and diligent people can't do on their own?


I won't be making SoTMUS this year, but I'd love to hear more about 
what your aims are with this venture, and the problems you and 
others believe (or know) it would solve through incorporation and 
(possibly?)  sweet government handouts. I'm guessing that these are 
the questions you want to crunch out while you're at the gathering 
of interesting people.


Best wishes and good luck with this endeavour,

Brian




*From:* jwhelan0...@gmail.com
*Sent:* September 28, 2017 7:06 AM
*To:* scr...@gmail.com
*Cc:* talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
*Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22


I hadn't heard of them and I'm in Ottawa but there again I'm not 
very sociable.  I question why such a decision would be made out of 
the country?


Does it matter if someone creates a not for profit Canadian 
corporation? I think it would have to change its name though there 
have been discussions recently about the use of OSM in names.


Cheerio John

On 27 September 2017 at 21:59, Stewart C. Russell > wrote:


On 2017-09-27 05:49 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Are any Canadian folks going to State of the Map US October 20-22
> https://2017.stateofthemap.us/

Nope. Wish I could afford it.

> During the conference, I would like to have a discussion about
turning
> the informal https://www.osmcanada.ca/ into a not-for-profit
Canadian
> corporation.

I'd be opposed. Who are osmcanada? They don't represent me. Last
I heard
it was an informal group of mappers in Ottawa. What would the
non-profit
do? How would it justify its status? Would it be attempting to be an
OSMF Chapter?

 Stewart

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Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all,

I responded to Matthew off-list an on, but my response bounced to here
because I used an alternate email address.

Speaking as the secretary of the OSMF board and non-Canadian: we welcome
new Local Chapters and any movement towards that. A first step is to gain
sufficient momentum; a Local Chapter, or any official national OSM
organization, should represent the community as a whole. That would be the
first thing to figure out. I see a lot of regulars on this list, and having
a discussion here about the viability / desirability of incorporating would
be a great start. Discussing in person can be beneficial, but is
understandably challenging in a large country. Feel free to reach out to me
any time if you want to discuss more.

Lastly, I would encourage you to subscribe to the local-chapters mailing
list, which we have dedicated to discuss (the path to) local chapters.

Best,
Martijn

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 6:30 AM, Дмитрий Киселев  wrote:

> Hi I hope I will,
> but I don't have any thought about local chapter and do we want to have a
> local not-for-profit org, or not.
>
> It works when you want to get some data / hardware / money from gov or
> companies (not from ordinary people).
> I'm here not for a long time but looks like gov more willing to work with
> OSM directly, as well as big GIS players.
> So local chapter is nice but not a neccessary thing.
>
> 2017-09-28 9:19 GMT-03:00 Brian Bancroft :
>
>> Hi Matthew,
>>
>> It seems like an interesting idea. I've been travelling a bit lately, and
>> I've found there's a lot of people out there who don't know about OSM where
>> the platform is exactly what they need.
>>
>> Would a robust OSMCanada spread the Gospel beyond the cities? Would it
>> seek to incorporate local GIS imports on the map with legal support and
>> task management?
>>
>> Do we know what an incorporated OSMCanada would do that the informal
>> association of really nice and diligent people can't do on their own?
>>
>> I won't be making SoTMUS this year, but I'd love to hear more about what
>> your aims are with this venture, and the problems you and others believe
>> (or know) it would solve through incorporation and (possibly?)  sweet
>> government handouts. I'm guessing that these are the questions you want to
>> crunch out while you're at the gathering of interesting people.
>>
>> Best wishes and good luck with this endeavour,
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* jwhelan0...@gmail.com
>> *Sent:* September 28, 2017 7:06 AM
>> *To:* scr...@gmail.com
>> *Cc:* talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22
>>
>> I hadn't heard of them and I'm in Ottawa but there again I'm not very
>> sociable.  I question why such a decision would be made out of the country?
>>
>> Does it matter if someone creates a not for profit Canadian corporation?
>> I think it would have to change its name though there have been discussions
>> recently about the use of OSM in names.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On 27 September 2017 at 21:59, Stewart C. Russell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-09-27 05:49 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > Are any Canadian folks going to State of the Map US October 20-22
>>> > https://2017.stateofthemap.us/
>>>
>>> Nope. Wish I could afford it.
>>>
>>> > During the conference, I would like to have a discussion about turning
>>> > the informal https://www.osmcanada.ca/ into a not-for-profit Canadian
>>> > corporation.
>>>
>>> I'd be opposed. Who are osmcanada? They don't represent me. Last I heard
>>> it was an informal group of mappers in Ottawa. What would the non-profit
>>> do? How would it justify its status? Would it be attempting to be an
>>> OSMF Chapter?
>>>
>>>  Stewart
>>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22

[Дмитрий Киселев]

Hi I hope I will,
but I don't have any thought about local chapter and do we want to have a
local not-for-profit org, or not.

It works when you want to get some data / hardware / money from gov or
companies (not from ordinary people).
I'm here not for a long time but looks like gov more willing to work with
OSM directly, as well as big GIS players.
So local chapter is nice but not a neccessary thing.

2017-09-28 9:19 GMT-03:00 Brian Bancroft :

> Hi Matthew,
>
> It seems like an interesting idea. I've been travelling a bit lately, and
> I've found there's a lot of people out there who don't know about OSM where
> the platform is exactly what they need.
>
> Would a robust OSMCanada spread the Gospel beyond the cities? Would it
> seek to incorporate local GIS imports on the map with legal support and
> task management?
>
> Do we know what an incorporated OSMCanada would do that the informal
> association of really nice and diligent people can't do on their own?
>
> I won't be making SoTMUS this year, but I'd love to hear more about what
> your aims are with this venture, and the problems you and others believe
> (or know) it would solve through incorporation and (possibly?)  sweet
> government handouts. I'm guessing that these are the questions you want to
> crunch out while you're at the gathering of interesting people.
>
> Best wishes and good luck with this endeavour,
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>
> *From:* jwhelan0...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* September 28, 2017 7:06 AM
> *To:* scr...@gmail.com
> *Cc:* talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22
>
> I hadn't heard of them and I'm in Ottawa but there again I'm not very
> sociable.  I question why such a decision would be made out of the country?
>
> Does it matter if someone creates a not for profit Canadian corporation? I
> think it would have to change its name though there have been discussions
> recently about the use of OSM in names.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 27 September 2017 at 21:59, Stewart C. Russell 
> wrote:
>
>> On 2017-09-27 05:49 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Are any Canadian folks going to State of the Map US October 20-22
>> > https://2017.stateofthemap.us/
>>
>> Nope. Wish I could afford it.
>>
>> > During the conference, I would like to have a discussion about turning
>> > the informal https://www.osmcanada.ca/ into a not-for-profit Canadian
>> > corporation.
>>
>> I'd be opposed. Who are osmcanada? They don't represent me. Last I heard
>> it was an informal group of mappers in Ottawa. What would the non-profit
>> do? How would it justify its status? Would it be attempting to be an
>> OSMF Chapter?
>>
>>  Stewart
>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22

[Brian Bancroft]

 Hi Matthew, It seems like an interesting idea. I've been travelling a bit lately, and I've found there's a lot of people out there who don't know about OSM where the platform is exactly what they need.Would a robust OSMCanada spread the Gospel beyond the cities? Would it seek to incorporate local GIS imports on the map with legal support and task management?Do we know what an incorporated OSMCanada would do that the informal association of really nice and diligent people can't do on their own?I won't be making SoTMUS this year, but I'd love to hear more about what your aims are with this venture, and the problems you and others believe (or know) it would solve through incorporation and (possibly?)  sweet government handouts. I'm guessing that these are the questions you want to crunch out while you're at the gathering of interesting people.Best wishes and good luck with this endeavour,BrianFrom: jwhelan0...@gmail.comSent: September 28, 2017 7:06 AMTo: scr...@gmail.comCc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.orgSubject: Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22  I hadn't heard of them and I'm in Ottawa but there again I'm not very sociable.  I question why such a decision would be made out of the country?Does it matter if someone creates a not for profit Canadian corporation? I think it would have to change its name though there have been discussions recently about the use of OSM in names.Cheerio JohnOn 27 September 2017 at 21:59, Stewart C. Russell  wrote:On 2017-09-27 05:49 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Are any Canadian folks going to State of the Map US October 20-22
> https://2017.stateofthemap.us/

Nope. Wish I could afford it.

> During the conference, I would like to have a discussion about turning
> the informal https://www.osmcanada.ca/ into a not-for-profit Canadian
> corporation.

I'd be opposed. Who are osmcanada? They don't represent me. Last I heard
it was an informal group of mappers in Ottawa. What would the non-profit
do? How would it justify its status? Would it be attempting to be an
OSMF Chapter?

 Stewart

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Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada & State of the Map US: Oct 20-22

[john whelan]

I hadn't heard of them and I'm in Ottawa but there again I'm not very
sociable.  I question why such a decision would be made out of the country?

Does it matter if someone creates a not for profit Canadian corporation? I
think it would have to change its name though there have been discussions
recently about the use of OSM in names.

Cheerio John

On 27 September 2017 at 21:59, Stewart C. Russell  wrote:

> On 2017-09-27 05:49 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Are any Canadian folks going to State of the Map US October 20-22
> > https://2017.stateofthemap.us/
>
> Nope. Wish I could afford it.
>
> > During the conference, I would like to have a discussion about turning
> > the informal https://www.osmcanada.ca/ into a not-for-profit Canadian
> > corporation.
>
> I'd be opposed. Who are osmcanada? They don't represent me. Last I heard
> it was an informal group of mappers in Ottawa. What would the non-profit
> do? How would it justify its status? Would it be attempting to be an
> OSMF Chapter?
>
>  Stewart
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada building project

[john whelan]

Looks like we need to talk nicely to Open-Ouvert.

Thanks John

On 27 September 2017 at 21:54, Stewart C. Russell  wrote:

> On 2017-09-27 07:00 PM, john whelan wrote:
> > No we need to persuade the municipalities to move to the new standard
> > license in the TB kit
>
> Is this initiative published anywhere, John? I virtually attended the
> conference it was supposed to be announced at, and all there is is
> Jean-Noé's announcement:
> http://open.canada.ca/en/blog/coming-soon-do-it-yourself-open-data-toolkit
>
> I also don't remember any consultation on what it was going to look like.
>
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