Re: [Talk-GB] Corporate Cartographers accused of demolishing history. (make press release?)

2008-08-29 Thread Philip Stubbs
2008/8/29 Tim Dobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi guys, > > I'm a relative newbie to OSM(I understand it - I just haven't been > involved long), but I just noticed this on the news sites: > http://news.google.co.uk/?ncl=1240671745 > > I'm seeing articles like this: > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/n

Re: [Talk-GB] Corporate Cartographers accused of demolishing history. (make press release?)

2008-08-29 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Tim Dobson wrote: > Perhaps the people who are nearish the top of OSM, and I feel sheepish > that I don't really know who I'm talking about, might like to put > out a > pressrelease or press statement about how OSM is helping "put *real* > maps back on the internet" and allow cool mashups etc.

Re: [Talk-GB] Corporate Cartographers accused of demolishing history. (make press release?)

2008-08-29 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Richard Fairhurst wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7586789.stm We're also in the Daily Mail (eek)[1]: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1050408/Is-satnav-turning-dunces-map-reading.html cheers Richard [1] for our overseas readers, this is possibly the most reactionary news

Re: [Talk-GB] [OSM-talk] Corporate Cartographers accused of demolishing history. (make press release?)

2008-08-29 Thread John McKerrell
On 29 Aug 2008, at 09:05, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Richard Fairhurst wrote: > >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7586789.stm > I was glad to see the BBC had actually linked to us, wonder if that'll get any good number of new mappers. > We're also in the Daily Mail (eek)[1]: > > http://www.dail

[Talk-GB] Fwd: [geo-discuss] Ordonance Survey lobbying

2008-08-29 Thread Stephen Coast
Begin forwarded message: From: "Benjamin Henrion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 29 August 2008 10:39:59 BST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [geo-discuss] Ordonance Survey lobbying http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/08/ordnance-survey-right-out-of-order.html 28 August 2008 Ordnance Survey: Rig

Re: [Talk-GB] [OSM-talk] Corporate Cartographers accused of demolishing history. (make press release?)

2008-08-29 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tim Dobson wrote: > "Whereas Ordnance Survey maps were designed for the military, and > churches were added simply as useful landmarks, No one here seems to have mentioned that the reason that on-line maps aren't as good as OS maps is that OS won't g

Re: [Talk-GB] [OSM-talk] Corporate Cartographers accused of demolishing history. (make press release?)

2008-08-29 Thread James Stewart
I guess one way to break up UK mapping data monoploy is for other owners of important GI to release it, such as local authorities, http://www.gisdevelopment.net/magazine/global/2008/august/52.htm James Stewart On 29 Aug 2008, at 12:31, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSA

Re: [Talk-GB] [OSM-talk] Corporate Cartographers accused of demolishing history. (make press release?)

2008-08-29 Thread Stephen Coast
On 29 Aug 2008, at 13:30, James Stewart wrote: > I guess one way to break up UK mapping data monoploy is for other > owners of important GI to release it, such as local authorities, > > http://www.gisdevelopment.net/magazine/global/2008/august/52.htm Or... maybe we could start some kind of proje

Re: [Talk-GB] [OSM-talk] Corporate Cartographers accused of demolishing history. (make press release?)

2008-08-29 Thread Jon Burgess
On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 12:31 +0100, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: > Tim Dobson wrote: > > "Whereas Ordnance Survey maps were designed for the military, and > > churches were added simply as useful landmarks, > > No one here seems to have mentioned that the reason that on-line maps > aren't as good a

Re: [Talk-GB] [OSM-talk] Corporate Cartographers accused of demolishing history. (make press release?)

2008-08-29 Thread Gregory
The London Mapping Marathons don't seem to be doing much press contacting, but Croydon's local newspapers seem to be hunting us down about when we visited there on Wednesday. I wonder if we're just not represented enough. I watched the BBC clip on their article, and okay the guy was very enthusias

Re: [Talk-GB] [OSM-talk] Corporate Cartographers accused of demolishing history. (make press release?)

2008-08-29 Thread Steve Hill
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008, James Stewart wrote: > I guess one way to break up UK mapping data monoploy is for other > owners of important GI to release it, such as local authorities, I was under the impression that the local authorities generally used an OS base map, so their own data may well be deri

Re: [Talk-GB] Corporate Cartographers accused of demolishing history. (make press release?)

2008-08-29 Thread Ed Loach
Steve wrote: > I was under the impression that the local authorities generally > used an OS > base map, so their own data may well be derived from the OS > data. A few years ago now (5 or 6) the bungalow next door was knocked down and two put on the plot in it's place. After they were built, an O

[Talk-GB] Very accurate GPS devices

2008-08-29 Thread Matthew Gates
Further to Ed's post, are there really GPS devices with one inch accuracy? I could imagine letting a device sit for some time, and then averaging the position, which might lead to increased accuracy at the cost of long "exposure" time... is that method used for surveying and so on? Matthew

Re: [Talk-GB] Very accurate GPS devices

2008-08-29 Thread Tom Hughes
Matthew Gates wrote: > Further to Ed's post, are there really GPS devices with one inch accuracy? > > I could imagine letting a device sit for some time, and then averaging the > position, which might lead to increased accuracy at the cost of > long "exposure" time... is that method used for s

Re: [Talk-GB] Very accurate GPS devices

2008-08-29 Thread Steve Hill
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008, Tom Hughes wrote: > He was referring to a combine using a DGPS system which has a base > station at a fixed point on the farm whose location is well known. It > then compares that known location to one calculated from the satellites > in the normal and broadcasts the differenc

Re: [Talk-GB] Very accurate GPS devices

2008-08-29 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Tom Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matthew Gates wrote: > >> Further to Ed's post, are there really GPS devices with one inch accuracy? >> >> I could imagine letting a device sit for some time, and then averaging the >> position, which might lead to increased a

Re: [Talk-GB] Fwd: [geo-discuss] Ordonance Survey lobbying

2008-08-29 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephen Coast wrote: > >>An extraordinary picture of a state body carrying out political >> lobbying on the issue of free data has emerged from documents obtained >> by the Guardian. Doesn't sound as bad as the UK Patent office lobbying for softw

Re: [Talk-GB] Corporate Cartographers accused of demolishing history. (make press release?)

2008-08-29 Thread 80n
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Ed Loach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve wrote: > > > I was under the impression that the local authorities generally > > used an OS > > base map, so their own data may well be derived from the OS > > data. > > A few years ago now (5 or 6) the bungalow next door

Re: [Talk-GB] Corporate Cartographers accused of demolishing history. (make press release?)

2008-08-29 Thread Tim Waters (chippy)
On 8/29/08, 80n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > He didn't need to ask permission either. The Ordnance Survey Act of 1841 > gives him the right to "from time to time, after notice in writing of the > intention ... to enter into and upon any estate or property of any county > ... for the purpose of ma

Re: [Talk-GB] Corporate Cartographers accused of demolishinghistory. (make press release?)

2008-08-29 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Tim Waters (chippy) wrote: >Sent: 29 August 2008 4:44 PM >To: 80n >Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Corporate Cartographers accused of >demolishinghistory. (make press release?) > >On 8/29/08, 80n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> He didn't need to ask permission either. The Ord