Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

2010-04-01 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 1 Apr 2010, at 01:16, Phil Monger wrote: Hi Tom, Not sure I agree that Streetview is 'horrible' - as a free base map it will rival or beat any of the others I have seen. This is even more true for rural areas. I am aware most of the raster stuff got left out, but streetview *is*

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

2010-04-01 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
The problem with Meridian 2 is that it's a sampled set, so it's not as spatially accurate as we would like. The objects are present, but we can do better with shape if we wait, as TomH says, till the Vector Map District. We know that with lots of high quality GPS traces we can get very close to

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

2010-04-01 Thread Tom Hughes
On 01/04/10 01:16, Phil Monger wrote: Not sure I agree that Streetview is 'horrible' - as a free base map it will rival or beat any of the others I have seen. This is even more true for rural areas. Well the cartography is horrible - the data is fine I'm sure. There just isn't much detail

[Talk-GB] Telling the world about OSM / OpenOS

2010-04-01 Thread Tom Chance
There's lots of interesting discussion about what we might do with the opened Ordnance Survey data, but I think we need to get one thing straight immediately: what do we tell the outside world if anyone asks, does this mean OSM is redundant? A very simple line, something like: The OS data could

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

2010-04-01 Thread Richard Bullock
As Andy says, I say we start with getting boundary data fixed up from Boundary Line and then look at Vector Map District in a month's time and decide what the next step is I agree with this; especially as boundary data is hard to come by any other way In the mean time, can't we just import

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

2010-04-01 Thread Tom Chance
On 1 April 2010 09:25, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Gregory wrote: Without restrictions? Does that mean no attribution, it sounds like PD. Or does it mean they haven't told us the exact license yet but it will be nice? The latter, I think.

Re: [Talk-GB] Telling the world about OSM / OpenOS

2010-04-01 Thread Gregory
Off the top of my head: - A wide collection of existing tools (rendering, checking, visualisations, etc). Actually I see you said toolchain. - Still up to date, potentially within minutes. The OS data can help us get to a 'finished' point, and focus on updating. Especially with changing things

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

2010-04-01 Thread Tom Hughes
On 01/04/10 09:39, Richard Bullock wrote: You could have a database with all of the vector data - which gets rendered - and is displayed as a different layer along with the OS raster stuff. Could use those as a WMS layer for JOSM/Potlatch etc. The data itself could be accessible via an API.

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

2010-04-01 Thread Russ Phillips
And again, I sent this to Richard instead of Talk-GB On 1 April 2010 09:44, Russ Phillips r...@phillipsuk.org wrote: On 1 April 2010 09:25, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Gregory wrote: Without restrictions? Does that mean no attribution, it sounds like PD. Or does it mean they

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

2010-04-01 Thread Gregory
On 1 April 2010 00:47, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: is encourage people to rapidly trace this to form a base map, then set upon the task of checking it for accuracy. But I want to go out on my bike and map, I spend enough time at the computer as it is, without sitting

[Talk-GB] Mirror of OS data downloads

2010-04-01 Thread Martin - CycleStreets
Someone helpful at MySociety has published a mirror of the open data: http://parlvid.mysociety.org:81/os/ Martin, ** CycleStreets - For Cyclists, By Cyclists Developer, CycleStreets ** http://www.cyclestreets.net/ ___

Re: [Talk-GB] Mirror of OS data downloads

2010-04-01 Thread Martin - CycleStreets
On Thu, 1 Apr 2010, Martin - CycleStreets wrote: Someone helpful at MySociety has published a mirror of the open data: http://parlvid.mysociety.org:81/os/ and it's now also at: http://data.gov.uk/data/publicbody/Ordnance%20Survey ___ Talk-GB

[Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

2010-04-01 Thread Muki Haklay
Regarding the OS datasets, here is a suggestion: use it is to update the name tag and fill in the missing gaps in attributes. For most of the datasets, the quality of the positional information (that's the geometry) is lower than that of OSM and it will make much more sense just to identify

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

2010-04-01 Thread Muki Haklay
Meridian covers the countryside - but the data is derived at lower resolution than in urban area, and some small roads are missing. Muki On 01/04/2010 12:16, Nick Whitelegg wrote: From the grough site: http://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/2010/04/01/no-change-for-walkers-maps-as-os-frees-data

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

2010-04-01 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Does that mean there's nothing at all for countryside users in the OS data being released? Or does Meridian have it? Sorry to follow up my own post - it would appear not. A real shame about the lack of countryside data in this free OS dataset. The Meridian data doesn't really contain anything

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

2010-04-01 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
I'm not sure the OS has reliable footpath data for the countryside anyway. Last time I chatted with the OS about this they were interested in whether OSM could work with them to update rural ROW footpaths because they don't survey them anymore. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From:

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

2010-04-01 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Hi Andy, I'm not sure the OS has reliable footpath data for the countryside anyway. Last time I chatted with the OS about this they were interested in whether OSM could work with them to update rural ROW footpaths because they don't survey them anymore. Really? - that's interesting. Do you

[Talk-GB] Post code map updated with a Code-Point Open layer

2010-04-01 Thread Dave Stubbs
Hi, The Ordnance Survey OpenData released today contains a dataset called Code-Point Open giving the coordinates of about 1.5 million postcodes. I've added a layer onto the postcode area map to show this data in the same way it's been showing NPE, OSM and FreeThePostcode data for some time. Go

Re: [Talk-GB] Post code map updated with a Code-Point Open layer

2010-04-01 Thread Colin Smale
Looks really nice, with the colours as well! Looking at the Thames east of London, the boundary down the river between Kent and Essex looks rather suspicious. There seem to be bits of Essex with a Kent postcode and vice versa. Is this a function of clipping to the coastline that you mention? I

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

2010-04-01 Thread Keith Sharp
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 12:22 +0100, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Does that mean there's nothing at all for countryside users in the OS data being released? Or does Meridian have it? Sorry to follow up my own post - it would appear not. A real shame about the lack of countryside data in this free

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

2010-04-01 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Tom Hughes [mailto:t...@compton.nu] wrote: Sent: 01 April 2010 3:06 PM To: Kai Krueger Cc: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists); 'talk-gb' Subject: Re: Ordnance Survey On 01/04/10 14:42, Kai Krueger wrote: Perhaps even easier and a bigger win, would be to import the postcode data. It is only

Re: [Talk-GB] Post code map updated with a Code-Point Open layer

2010-04-01 Thread Gregory Williams
The Kent / Essex thing is simply an artefact of deriving the areas from known points. The boundaries shown are in effect we know based upon the surrounding points that the boundary is approximately here. I must say that I'm surprised at how well bits of OpenStreetMap's CT and Code-Point Open's CT

[Talk-GB] Meridian2 for beginners

2010-04-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst
For anyone wanting to hack the OS data released today, I've posted a very brief tutorial on extracting data from Meridian2 with Perl: http://www.systemeD.net/blog/?p=182 cheers Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Gazetteer

2010-04-01 Thread Peter Reed
A lot more farms are there as . Fm It can't be that all farms are listed as running the query only reveals 372 points with farm in the title. Probably not enough to get too excited about, maybe just deal with them manually? ___ Talk-GB

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Gazetteer

2010-04-01 Thread Matt Williams
On 1 April 2010 22:40, Graham Jones grahamjones...@googlemail.com wrote: I have been playing with the Ordnance Survey 50k gazetteer to see if it looks useful (very simple search tool at http://maps2.webhop.net/openos/gaz/www/doSearch.php). As a 'point of interest' database it does not have