[Talk-GB] weeklyOSM #420 2018-07-31-2018-08-06

2018-08-10 Thread weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 420, is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/10586/ Enjoy! weeklyOSM? who?: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages

Re: [Talk-GB] vehicle barrier

2018-08-10 Thread Martin Wynne
On 10/08/2018 15:08, Edward Catmur wrote: Oh, I'd map that as barrier=cycle_barrier without hesitation - it's even made of the archetypal aluminium tubing. Ok, will do. It's just that if you asked the residents I don't think they intended it primarily to deter furious cycling. Its purpose is

Re: [Talk-GB] vehicle barrier

2018-08-10 Thread Edward Catmur
If you don't like barrier=cycle_barrier, there's also barrier=chicane - I'd consider barrier=cycle_barrier to be a subset of barrier=chicane. But then you'd definitely need to provide comprehensive access tags. On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 3:08 PM Edward Catmur wrote: > > Oh, I'd map that as

Re: [Talk-GB] 'historic' county boundaries added to the database

2018-08-10 Thread David Woolley
On 10/08/18 13:00, Martin Wynne wrote: In this area I was taken to task for adjusting an unexplained boundary, which turned out to be the local "PlusBus" area boundary for inclusive fares from the nearest railway station That's likely to be subject to database rights, as I don't think that it

Re: [Talk-GB] vehicle barrier

2018-08-10 Thread Edward Catmur
Oh, I'd map that as barrier=cycle_barrier without hesitation - it's even made of the archetypal aluminium tubing. The fact that it's across a road rather than a "path, footway, cycleway or track" is a pretty minor point compared to construction and intent. For prior art see e.g.

Re: [Talk-GB] 'historic' county boundaries added to the database

2018-08-10 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-08-10 15:35, Mark Goodge wrote: > On 10/08/2018 13:14, Colin Smale wrote: > >> Who is the arbiter of relevance? I think for any given "mapper" or >> "consumer" 99% of the contents of OSM is not relevant. People are mapping >> the nuts and bolts of the insulators on electricity pylons..

Re: [Talk-GB] 'historic' county boundaries added to the database

2018-08-10 Thread Mark Goodge
On 10/08/2018 13:14, Colin Smale wrote: Who is the arbiter of relevance? I think for any given "mapper" or "consumer" 99% of the contents of OSM is not relevant. People are mapping the nuts and bolts of the insulators on electricity pylons.. I can't see that being relevant to most people.

Re: [Talk-GB] vehicle barrier

2018-08-10 Thread Martin Wynne
> The description of barrier=cycle_barrier in the wiki looks like > it might be what you need, combined with appropriate access tags. > I'd say that's a cycle barrier - the intention would be to allow > pedestrians to pass, force cyclists to dismount Thanks for the suggestions. For

Re: [Talk-GB] 'historic' county boundaries added to the database

2018-08-10 Thread Andrew Hain
Postal counties (mainly a outer London and Manchester thing in this context) are essentially defunct. -- Andrew From: Martin Wynne Sent: 10 August 2018 13:00:40 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] 'historic' county boundaries added to the

Re: [Talk-GB] 'historic' county boundaries added to the database

2018-08-10 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-08-10 13:37, Mark Goodge wrote: > On 10/08/2018 12:05, John Aldridge wrote:I'd like to register a +1 in favour > of accepting these historic counties. > > I *generally* agree with your principle of 'only mapping what is on the > ground', but if we followed that strictly we wouldn't map

Re: [Talk-GB] 'historic' county boundaries added to the database

2018-08-10 Thread Dave F
Hi On 10/08/2018 12:05, John Aldridge wrote: I *generally* agree with your principle of 'only mapping what is on the ground', but if we followed that strictly we wouldn't map current administrative boundaries either. That isn't the correct mantra. "OpenStreetMap is a place for mapping

Re: [Talk-GB] 'historic' county boundaries added to the database

2018-08-10 Thread Martin Wynne
The "historic" boundaries, though, whatever particular snapshot of them you choose as the most important one, don't have any relevance to everyday life. Are not some of them still relevant to post-code areas and postal counties? Lots of useful stuff appears on OSM for which there is nothing

Re: [Talk-GB] 'historic' county boundaries added to the database

2018-08-10 Thread Mark Goodge
On 10/08/2018 12:05, John Aldridge wrote: I'd like to register a +1 in favour of accepting these historic counties. I *generally* agree with your principle of 'only mapping what is on the ground', but if we followed that strictly we wouldn't map current administrative boundaries either.

Re: [Talk-GB] 'historic' county boundaries added to the database

2018-08-10 Thread John Aldridge
I'd like to register a +1 in favour of accepting these historic counties. I *generally* agree with your principle of 'only mapping what is on the ground', but if we followed that strictly we wouldn't map current administrative boundaries either. These historic counties do, rightly or wrongly,

[Talk-GB] vehicle barrier

2018-08-10 Thread Martin Wynne
What is the correct tagging for this type of barrier across a road? Two lengths of parallel railings with a narrow opening at alternate ends. Blocking vehicles but allowing pedestrian access: ___ |___ | In the particular

Re: [Talk-GB] 'historic' county boundaries added to the database

2018-08-10 Thread David Woolley
On 10/08/18 09:38, Stuart Reynolds wrote: If OSM as an organisation wants to take annual snapshots for posterity, You are confusing two different things here. 1) Things that were never current during the lifetime of OSM; 2) Things that have ceased to exist after being mapped. The latter are

Re: [Talk-GB] 'historic' county boundaries added to the database

2018-08-10 Thread Sean Blanchflower
I completely agree that to map every iteration is of no merit, and that's never been the aim. There's an accepted definition of the boundaries (Historic Counties Trust) that by definition will never change. The Middlesex changes were to the administrative boundaries. The traditional boundaries

Re: [Talk-GB] 'historic' county boundaries added to the database

2018-08-10 Thread Stuart Reynolds
Hi I’ve watched this from afar, but thought that I would add my two pennyworth, as a more casual mapper. Historic county boundaries have some merit (in a very general sense), but where do you draw the line? As it happens, I was discussing where, exactly, Middlesex was with my son only

Re: [Talk-GB] 'historic' county boundaries added to the database

2018-08-10 Thread Sean Blanchflower
I guess you at least acknowledge that not everyone agrees with your views below though. A quick factual error though: the traditional/historic counties were not administrative in the sense that current areas are. The changes of the Local Government Act 1888 were to create administrative areas for