Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-24 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 3:31 AM, Lester Caine wrote: > On 23/05/15 16:36, David Earl wrote: > > As I said, I think the upward compatible change for this is to use a tag > > with the unique ID of whatever operator > > While not popular, the addition of identifiers IS now gaining traction, > e

Re: [Talk-GB] Proposed import of approximately 6 bicycle repair tool stands in the UK

2015-05-19 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 3:08 AM, wrote: > There is really no need to import this type of data in the UK where the > mapping culture is to walk/cycle and just go and have a looksee. Well that > applies to UK culture in general, choosing to walk is not viewed with > suspicion. > > Imho notes offer

Re: [Talk-GB] Ref names on Residential roads

2015-05-12 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Paul Sladen wrote: > My hope was that the owners of the mechanic retaggering bots involved > would carefully reflect upon this advice and instead try to > betterunderstand the subject matter in greater detail beforehand. > Nothing in the UK was mechanically reta

Re: [Talk-GB] Ref names on Residential roads

2015-05-12 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 9:35 AM, SomeoneElse wrote: > On 12/05/2015 17:28, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: >> >> Why not >> ref:highway_authority >> >> To keep the tags just a little bit organized? > > https://xkcd.com/927/ > (sorry) Yeah, but unlike the re

Re: [Talk-GB] Ref names on Residential roads

2015-05-12 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 4:14 AM, Andy Robinson wrote: > > Yeah, I think I preferred the highway_authority_ref only to differentiate it > from a reference applied by any other body. You could have more than one > official_ref depending on the referencing body. Why not ref:highway_authority To

Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points

2015-04-30 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
You can see the issue of how to tag this has come up several times: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sanitary_Dump_Station#See_Also With no consensus tagging diverged many ways. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https:

Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points

2015-04-30 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Lester Caine wrote: > > tag -> disposal_point > > Values > pump_out:grey (No sewage) > pump_out:black(Contains Sewage) > pump_out:bilge(May contain oil) > pump_out:restricted (note advise restrictions) > dump:black(may have res

Re: [Talk-GB] Wiki deprecation of an in-use feature

2015-04-25 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Lester Caine wrote: > > Bryce ... you still have to make the case for 'special cases'. There is > no reason to have two tags for many of these amenities. That's not the purpose I started this thread for. "waterway=water_point" is in use. -- The issue of how to

[Talk-GB] Wiki deprecation of an in-use feature

2015-04-25 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Here's what happened: 1. An in-use feature was documented on the wiki, but with a completely wrong description. 2. People used the bad definition worldwide. 3. The feature was marked deprecated on the wiki (without consulting the mappers using it correctly). 4. A blind mechanical

Re: [Talk-GB] Labelling a greasy spoon caff

2015-04-24 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 1:58 PM, SK53 wrote: > cuisine=breakfast seems far too GB/US/CA centric. > > There are places in Berlin which do all day breakfasts but certainly not > of that sort; in most of SE Asia breakfast is likely to be some form of > congee, and there plenty of such breakfast plac

Re: [Talk-GB] Labelling a greasy spoon caff

2015-04-24 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Greasy spoon truck stops (or any mobile "food truck" on a schedule) could be: transient:amenity=restaurant cuisine=greasy_spoon;british operating_hours=Sa 16:00-20:00 name=Greasy Spooning Cafe website=http://foodtrucksrus.net/o=92 So it won't render confusingly with permanently located featu

Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points

2015-04-23 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Lester Caine wrote: > It is interesting that > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Pumpout was > rejected because it was 'only for boats' or very strangely 'recycling'. > I suppose we could hook the black waste direct into the bio-digester ;) Th

Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points

2015-04-23 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
To summarize: Nobody likes to talk about waste, so euphemisms abound. Past tagging has been all over the map, and the same tags were used in Europe for dog_waste bins as well as motorhome dump points. ---

Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points

2015-04-23 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 3:15 AM, Lester Caine wrote: > > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=dump > Has a lot lower usage than disposal, but *I* don't like the use of > 'sanitary' ... that is more of a problem than the dump/disposal question! The tagging numbers are skewed because I tediou

Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points

2015-04-22 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Here are some totally typical prior taggings of this feature (in land vehicle form): http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3075600244 http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/369645049 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.or

Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points

2015-04-22 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > Is there any intrinsic difference between one for boats and one for > motorhomes? If they are actually pretty much the same thing, maybe the > difference would better be expressed by "*access=customers*" or purely > *geometric*/geographic pr

Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points

2015-04-22 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:39 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > > What can we assume the UK tag "waterway=elsan_point" means? One or more > > of: > > > > 1) Walk up toilet > > 2) Cassette dump for boats > > 3) Cassette dum

Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points

2015-04-22 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Malcolm Herring < malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com> wrote: > On 21/04/2015 18:08, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > >> Are what's presently tagged "elsan_point" /both/ walk up toilets >> /and/ CDP chemical holding tank emptying points? &

Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points

2015-04-21 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
> Malcome Herring wrote: Waterside facilities provided by C&RT (previously known as British > Waterways Board - BWB) are accessed by use of a key issued to all waterway > license holders. Chemical toilet emptying points are usually within these > facilities. Pump-out stations, on the other hand, a

Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points

2015-04-21 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 12:36 AM, Malcolm Herring < malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com> wrote: > On 21/04/2015 08:01, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > >> I'm seeking additional local input on this tagging. >> > > Elsan is simply a trade name for a chemical toilet (likew

[Talk-GB] elsan_points

2015-04-21 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
User richardwest and a few others added a few Elsan Points along Canals in the UK: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2591597652/ https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2755755468/ https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2891630633/ I've checked with Richard about this, to make sure the current tagging ca

[Talk-GB] Seeking mappers/cyclists in Stafford, St. Albans, Watford, Surbiton, Redhill

2015-04-02 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
I'm trying to complete an import project, and am down to 5 nodes in the UK. Would anyone in these locations be willing to track down and map bicycle repair tool stands? Suggested tagging is as follows:

Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-us] Wählen / Voting - Sanitary Dump Station

2015-03-17 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 1:20 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 3:13 AM, Bryce Nesbitt > wrote: >> >> A caravan site might have 200 private hookups. We don't want the hookups >> to be rendered at the same level as the central dump station. >> B

Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-us] Wählen / Voting - Sanitary Dump Station

2015-03-17 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:50 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > I don't see a problem with access=private as this could be handy for > micromapping a property. access=public should probably be access=yes. > The tagging proposal to date imagined only the "shared dump stations" of the type that would (i

Re: [Talk-GB] Wählen / Voting - Sanitary Dump Station

2015-03-12 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
To be clear, I encourage people to get involved in all open proposals, not just the one: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Proposed_features_%22Voting%22 The voting process helps to refine tagging proposals: they often get better during the process. ___

[Talk-GB] Wählen / Voting - Sanitary Dump Station

2015-03-11 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Please consider participating in the wiki voting for: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sanitary_Dump_Station These sites have various names including dump station, dump point, caravan dump station, sanitary station, Elsan disposal point (UK), pumpout, and chemical dump point (CD

Re: [Talk-GB] Proposed import of approximately 6 bicycle repair tool stands in the UK

2015-03-10 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
This import is now complete. For the UK the nodes were omitted: https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/329258 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Proposed import of approximately 6 bicycle repair tool stands in the UK

2015-03-05 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 2:26 PM, SomeoneElse wrote: > On 05/03/2015 20:39, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > > I'm happy to import *JUST the six notes* if that's preferred, without > any node > > > Could you have a go at locating these notes a bit better than the previous

Re: [Talk-GB] Proposed import of approximately 6 bicycle repair tool stands in the UK

2015-03-05 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
I'm happy to import *JUST the six notes* if that's preferred, without any node (the node and note are linked in other countries). That's an extra step for the local mapper however. I have actually mapped one of these but have refrained from adding > information about the manufacturer for fear th

Re: [Talk-GB] Proposed import of approximately 6 bicycle repair tool stands in the UK

2015-03-04 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:34 PM, an OSM mapper wrote: > > The locations need local mapping to get the location perfect. > > Are you intending to feed these local changes back to the data source? > Will the import involve deleting any repair stations in OSM not in the > data source - this doesn't se

Re: [Talk-GB] Proposed import of approximately 6 bicycle repair tool stands in the UK

2015-03-04 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Ok, last call for comments. Please note this is an ongoing import, so new nodes will show up from time to time under the same conditions. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Proposed import of approximately 6 bicycle repair tool stands in the UK

2015-03-03 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Status update: The USA and Australian imports of this same feature are now complete. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

[Talk-GB] Proposed import of approximately 6 bicycle repair tool stands in the UK

2015-03-02 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Per the mechanical edit policy, this is a request for comments on a proposed import of bicycle repair tool stands: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Dero_Bike_Repair These locations are open 24/7. The locations came from press releases and/or a QR code scan. The locations need local mapping