Re: [Talk-GB] Removing all stiles from bridleways

2020-12-14 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020, 20:58 ael via Talk-GB, wrote: > On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 08:30:01PM +, Neil Matthews wrote: > > Looks like there's been an attempt to remove all stiles from bridleways > -- > > pretty sure I've seen this done in other edits -- agree that they're a > > potential anomaly

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging bike ramp/ bike path down steps

2020-12-13 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 19:14 David Woolley, wrote: > On 13/12/2020 19:05, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote: > > Also, the steps should have bicycle=dismount, not =yes. This will allow > > people who can't dismount to go around by the road. > > Only if it is illegal to try

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging bike ramp/ bike path down steps

2020-12-13 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 19:02 Adam Snape, wrote: > highway=steps > ramp:bicycle=yes > Right. The cycle route isn't mapped at all, from what I can tell? Also, the steps should have bicycle=dismount, not =yes. This will allow people who can't dismount to go around by the road. > Kind regards, >

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

2020-12-13 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 10:23 Edward Bainton, wrote: > Sorry, I joined this thread late and I see the initial query was, How to > ensure tracks don't just pop up nowhere'. So driveway first then track > doesn't solve the problem. > > That makes me say track all the way, as someone else has said.

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging of shared use paths

2020-12-10 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 12:52 PM Martin Wynne wrote: > > Are there any public cycleways from which pedestrians are actually banned? > > I don’t know the legal basis, but according to OSM there are plenty of cycleways or roads from which pedestrians are banned in London:

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway across field

2020-12-08 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 3:04 PM Simon Still wrote: > > I’d actually say *more* of an issue with OSM is paths that are marked that > ARE NOT a legal right of way. Around Peaslake in the Surrey Hills there > are various ‘mountain bike trails’ shown on OSM that are not rights of way > and which the

Re: [Talk-GB] City centre landuse tagging

2020-05-01 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
There's landuse = mixed, but that feels like a cop out - there's no truly mixed landuse within the planning system, it's always segregated vertically typically with flats above offices above retail. Overlapping land use polygons seems to work fine in practice - many towns and villages have a

Re: [Talk-GB] underfoot art

2020-04-27 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
These things can be permanent – mosaic or other types of inlay. From: Mike ParfittSent: 27 April 2020 08:56To: mar...@templot.com; neal...@yahoo.co.uk; talk-gb@openstreetmap.orgSubject: Re: [Talk-GB] underfoot art There may be some merit in tagging permanent artwork on the sides of buildings.But

Re: [Talk-GB] Soild fuel

2020-02-03 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
There's shop=chandler, and waterway=fuel. On Mon, 3 Feb 2020, 15:48 Nick Allen, wrote: > Hi, > > The main usage that I'm aware of is to do with the waterways network in > the UK. Many narrowboats, and others, have solid fuel stoves on board, and > buy from Chandler's or narrowboats that work

Re: [Talk-GB] Soild fuel

2020-02-02 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
amenity=fuel is specifically for fuel sold for immediate use by road vehicles (air, water and rail fuel stations have their own tags). Unless you're running a steam car, I think you want shop=fuel. On Sun, 2 Feb 2020, 21:27 Andy Robinson, wrote: > Solid fuel; as in a coal merchants. Yes, still

Re: [Talk-GB] barrier=kerb on highways may be blocking OSRM (Car) routing

2019-12-19 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
- > https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain > spiregrain_...@ksglp.org.uk > > > On Wed, 18 Dec 2019, at 4:31 PM, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote: > > Further to this - if you want to look for barrier=kerb + highway=crossing > nodes in your area, which may be disrupting rout

Re: [Talk-GB] barrier=kerb on highways may be blocking OSRM (Car) routing

2019-12-18 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
Further to this - if you want to look for barrier=kerb + highway=crossing nodes in your area, which may be disrupting routing, the Overpass query is node["barrier"="kerb"]["highway"="crossing"] : https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/P5Y On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 4:

Re: [Talk-GB] barrier=kerb on highways may be blocking OSRM (Car) routing

2019-12-18 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
ghway=crossing nodes) which should fixable. On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 3:37 PM Philip Barnes wrote: > On Wednesday, 18 December 2019, David Woolley wrote: > > On 18/12/2019 13:31, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote: > > > That said, the same goes for cars - other than the lowest bodi

Re: [Talk-GB] barrier=kerb on highways may be blocking OSRM (Car) routing

2019-12-18 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
I think your new mapping is correct, as it reflects reality - which is what most matters. You could improve it by curving the cycle path/sidewalk up to the crossing and aligning the kerb nodes to the aerial photo, but that's nitpicking. That said, there's still a problem in that at least one

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-14 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
Some mappers use meadow for permanent pasture, on the basis that this is a fundamentally different use of land to putting it under the plough. Others believe that meadow should be reserved for "real" meadow, and that permanent pasture should be distinguished from cropland by some combination of

Re: [Talk-GB] Rights of way vs. tracks

2019-09-29 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
The documentation is for the general case, where a public bridleway is physically a bridleway. (There are also private bridleways.) Here you should tag highway=track horse=designated foot=designated vehicle=private designation=public_bridleway. You may need to break the track if it continues with

Re: [Talk-GB] RNLI Dunkirk Memorial

2019-09-03 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
The Uffington White Horse is tagged as man_made=geoglyph, which seems apposite and is documented (if underused). Adding a natural=bare_rock tag to reflect the exposed bedrock underneath (yes, chalk is a rock) would seem acceptable, and would have the definite bonus of getting the shape to

Re: [Talk-GB] UK coastline data

2019-07-11 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
as two cliffs, not intersecting the creek or path beneath. On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 9:56 PM Colin Smale wrote: > Good point. Do you know of one? Let's have a look at how the OS deal with > it. > > > > On 2019-07-11 22:52, Edward Catmur wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 9:

Re: [Talk-GB] UK coastline data

2019-07-11 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 9:19 PM Colin Smale wrote: > * Where the coastline is essentially vertical (harbour walls, steep > cliffs) MHWS and MLWS can coincide in OS data (sharing nodes but not ways), > but of course low water can never be landward of high water. > Is this necessarily the case?

Re: [Talk-GB] Preston Park, Brighton

2019-06-04 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
An Overpass query for relation["type"="route"]["operator"~"parkrun",i] throws up 38 mapped Parkruns globally of which I'm (at least partially) responsible for mapping four. I should probably add some more, either from memory or via tourism (could be a good personal project...) I think if a bus

Re: [Talk-GB] Farmland (crop or animals)?

2019-05-24 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
lifeless > spruce > > plantation and an ancient oak wood. > > > > As a naturalist these precious remnants are pretty much the only places > > where many flowers, insects and birds are likely to be seen. > > > > Jerry > > > > On Fri, 24 May 2019 at 11

Re: [Talk-GB] Farmland (crop or animals)?

2019-05-24 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
As a walker, the most important distinction in agricultural land (not including orchards) is whether it is tilled or otherwise reduced to bare earth, or whether grass is allowed to establish permanent root systems. How long or varied the grass is allowed to get really doesn't concern me,

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging a named building now used for a different purpose

2019-05-23 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
The "building:name" tag would seem to be appropriate here. Some examples: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/170028507 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/85945126 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/25911545 An alternative could be to have two objects: the building as a way, and the tenant either as

Re: [Talk-GB] Best One vs Best-One vs best-one vs Best-one convenience shop

2019-05-05 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
Wikidata (and Wikipedia) use "Best-One" : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4896532 I would favour "Best-one", though, as that's the company name. On Sun, 5 May 2019, 17:46 Mateusz Konieczny, wrote: > > > > 5 May 2019, 18:25 by sk53@gmail.com: > > I think Rob is right here: > > My view on

Re: [Talk-GB] New Bridge Gunnislake

2019-04-03 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
There is also the temporary affix: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/temporary_(conditional)#Example_4:_Temporary_highway_bridge I'm not entirely sure how well supported that is by routers etc though. On Wed, 3 Apr 2019, 20:33 Mateusz Konieczny, wrote: > > It

Re: [Talk-GB] Replacement of leisure=common

2019-03-31 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
Great work, thanks. I note that you've linked https://data.gov.uk/dataset/05c61ecc-efa9-4b7f-8fe6-9911afb44e1a/database-of-registered-common-land-in-england - as this is OGL, I assume it's suitable for incorporation into OSM? Could we pick that up as a small OSM UK project? On Sat, 30 Mar 2019,

Re: [Talk-GB] Common Land has stopped rendering

2019-03-16 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
And yes, I'm aware that tagging for the renderer is wrong, and that a common isn't a park. But by making this change carto have effectively redefined the common tag as deprecated. On Sat, 16 Mar 2019, 12:54 Edward Catmur, wrote: > They're going to be retagged anyway to get them to ren

Re: [Talk-GB] Common Land has stopped rendering

2019-03-16 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
They're going to be retagged anyway to get them to render in the main map, so I doubt that's a solution. Any conclusion on how to tag them now? Perhaps leisure=park, park=common? On Sat, 16 Mar 2019, 12:51 SK53, wrote: > Yup, it's gone. I think the standard thing is use Andy's (SomeoneElse)

Re: [Talk-GB] Common Land has stopped rendering

2019-03-16 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
Link to tagging thread: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-March/043380.html On Sat, 16 Mar 2019, 12:46 Dave F via Talk-GB, wrote: > https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/commit/4df96c4e4927c > > Plus a discussion in Tagging 05/03 > > Unsure if this is a step

Re: [Talk-GB] Survey date

2019-03-10 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
Yes, that would be fine. You might also consider breaking up the edit into multiple uploads each with an appropriate source tag - this may be a bit tricky depending on which editor you use, though. On Sun, 10 Mar 2019, 22:02 Martin Wynne, wrote: > On 10/03/2019 21:33, Edward Catmur wr

Re: [Talk-GB] Survey date

2019-03-10 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
Changesets have a timestamp attached (the time when you hit upload in the editor, I guess), so the community (other mappers and data consumers) can usually assume that the survey date is more or less the same as the changeset timestamp. Adding survey date would be redundant unless it's more than

Re: [Talk-GB] Marking closed businesses

2019-03-07 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 1:25 PM Jez Nicholson wrote: > Fuanctioning restaurants and food-related shops are listed in the FHRS > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Food_Hygiene_Rating_System > > As an aside, it can be useful to retain the old name of a > restaurant/pub/takeaway so that other

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-07 Thread Edward Catmur
On Mon, 7 Jan 2019, 13:56 David Woolley On 07/01/2019 12:37, Mike Baggaley wrote: > > I think that if an intersecting highway and waterway are mapped just as > lines, then these represent the full width of the highway and waterway and > it is illogical to use a line or area to represent the ford.

Re: [Talk-GB] Changing highway=ford to ford=yes.

2019-01-06 Thread Edward Catmur
It would seem a bit much to map the ford as an area unless both the river and the highway away from the ford are mapped as areas. For the same reason I wouldn't usually map a ford as a way unless the river is mapped as an area. Apropos of not much, I wonder whether the ford is relevant for

Re: [Talk-GB] Rail tracks for crane lifts

2018-10-17 Thread Edward Catmur
I would keep railway=rail (it's still a railway), but add usage=industrial and service=yard - this makes it clear that it is not a passenger railway. On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 9:48 AM Jez Nicholson wrote: > Hi All, > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/93523292 is the rail tracks used by a > pair

Re: [Talk-GB] Android Auto and OSM

2018-09-24 Thread Edward Catmur
There is more information at the OsmAnd feature request: https://github.com/osmandapp/Osmand/issues/3391 By my understanding, Google have blocked all navigation apps other than a very short whitelist (Google Maps and Waze), ostensibly over concern for liability for distracting drivers. Other

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping horse steps?

2018-08-27 Thread Edward Catmur
amenity=horse_dismount_block has 4 occurrences, all in the north of England. I might add some more that I know of. On Mon, 27 Aug 2018, 00:11 Martin Wynne, wrote: > I'm tempted to map these horse-mounting steps as > > stairway=to_heaven > >

Re: [Talk-GB] vehicle barrier

2018-08-10 Thread Edward Catmur
If you don't like barrier=cycle_barrier, there's also barrier=chicane - I'd consider barrier=cycle_barrier to be a subset of barrier=chicane. But then you'd definitely need to provide comprehensive access tags. On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 3:08 PM Edward Catmur wrote: > > Oh, I'd map that as b

Re: [Talk-GB] vehicle barrier

2018-08-10 Thread Edward Catmur
Oh, I'd map that as barrier=cycle_barrier without hesitation - it's even made of the archetypal aluminium tubing. The fact that it's across a road rather than a "path, footway, cycleway or track" is a pretty minor point compared to construction and intent. For prior art see e.g.

Re: [Talk-GB] Reception desks

2017-11-16 Thread Edward Catmur
a reception desk is a staffed information facility while a reception area is more like a waiting room (though it may have a reception desk within or beside it)? In which case there would be reason to use both tags when mapping the same overall facility. On 16-Nov-17 11:04 AM, Edward Catmur wrote: O

Re: [Talk-GB] museum consisting of house and grounds

2017-07-31 Thread Edward Catmur
How about tourism=museum (+ possibly building=no) on the grounds? The building itself could be tagged building=museum, without the tourism tag. It's not a hugely used combination but Overpass throws up one in Bedford, a few in the North Pennines, a couple in Germany. On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 5:23

Re: [Talk-GB] Standalone signalled pedestrian crossing tagging

2017-03-10 Thread Edward Catmur
Option 3 appears to be the only way to map an asl or to signify its (rather their) absence. I don't think you can tag a combined (option 1) crossing node with cycleway=asl. It's also more consistent if nearby road junctions are mapped in detail for standalone crossings to be mapped similarly. On

Re: [Talk-GB] Is there a problem with the standard tile rendering

2017-03-01 Thread Edward Catmur
Nah, there's definitely something else going on. If I look at https://b.tile.openstreetmap.org/19/261975/174355.png (last rendered at Mon Feb 27 08:55:42 2017 according to /status), then when it's served via saphira.openstreetmap.org:3128 I get the old tile, with etag

[Talk-GB] Rendering (?) bug at Marble Arch

2017-01-26 Thread Edward Catmur
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/6809001 isn't rendering on the Standard layer at any zoom level. It looks to be rendering OK on the Cycle and Transport layers, but the Humanitarian layer is failing to render not only that way but also a load of others making up the Marble Arch gyratory. Off