Re: [Talk-GB] Farmland (crop or animals)?

2019-05-25 Thread Warin
Humm, warning, pedantic hat on... If you  cannot determine what it is used for .. don't use the tag landuse. For the presence of vegetation use the key 'natural' (it applies to both natural and unnatural things!) and if you have problems with that (like me with unnatural things being tagged

Re: [Talk-GB] Farmland (crop or animals)?

2019-05-25 Thread Martin Wynne
Apart from the specialised tags such as "orchard" there appears to be only 2 tags available for general agricultural land: farmland which I have taken to mean arable land. i.e. land suitable for the growing of crops, even if currently used as pasture for grazing by livestock; and meadow

Re: [Talk-GB] Farmland (crop or animals)?

2019-05-24 Thread Warin
Humm What is it that needs to be tagged? Possibly some sub tags for tillage=yes/no/yearly/* ? to indicate if ploughed and if known how frequently produce:category=animal/plant to indicate the broad group of produce? This could then be applied to any 'landuse' ... no matter how it is tagged.

Re: [Talk-GB] Farmland (crop or animals)?

2019-05-24 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
Fair enough, I agree that a wildflower meadow is a very pleasant place to be. However, I would still be more concerned to avoid the unpleasantness of walking through cropland where the path is variously ploughed under, utterly obscured by wheat or maize, or in the best case surfaced with heavy

Re: [Talk-GB] Farmland (crop or animals)?

2019-05-24 Thread Philip Barnes
On Friday, 24 May 2019, SK53 wrote: > As a walker I appreciate walking through a real hay meadow full of > attractive flowers rather than a sterile green desert of rye grass. And as a walker a real meadow is a very nice place to sit down and enjoy a relaxing lunch or coffee break. Phil

Re: [Talk-GB] Farmland (crop or animals)?

2019-05-24 Thread SK53
As a walker I appreciate walking through a real hay meadow full of attractive flowers rather than a sterile green desert of rye grass. I think Dudley Ibbett made this point long ago about the Peak District. The difference is roughly equivalent to walking through a dark lifeless spruce plantation

Re: [Talk-GB] Farmland (crop or animals)?

2019-05-24 Thread SK53
It is well-known that meadows (hay meadows) are now a vanishingly small part of the British landscape. For instance in Nottinghamshire we have around 28 ha of MG4 grassland (the typical meadow plant community for meadows in the East Midlands). Work

Re: [Talk-GB] Farmland (crop or animals)?

2019-05-24 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
As a walker, the most important distinction in agricultural land (not including orchards) is whether it is tilled or otherwise reduced to bare earth, or whether grass is allowed to establish permanent root systems. How long or varied the grass is allowed to get really doesn't concern me,

Re: [Talk-GB] Farmland (crop or animals)?

2019-05-24 Thread Andy Townsend
On 24/05/2019 10:43, Gregory Marler wrote: What is going on with landuse=farmland, and what are we going to do? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmland With regard to tagging, I agree with a lot of what you say there, but I suspect that the first thing to do is to talk to

Re: [Talk-GB] Farmland (crop or animals)?

2019-05-24 Thread Philip Barnes
I have used farmland=pasture and farmland=arable to cover these cases. Other cases could be farmland=vineyard. Sadly too many mappers use meadow to describe pasture which is a shame as it would be good to be able to find real meadows. Obviously these cannot easily be armchaired. I don't

Re: [Talk-GB] Farmland (crop or animals)?

2019-05-24 Thread David Woolley
On 24/05/2019 10:43, Gregory Marler wrote: to me, meadow is a different to the common farm fields that have animals in. A meadow is likely longer grass, or encouraged to get long. It might be for flowers/wildlife rather than animals. Meadows, in farms, in a land use context, are for producing

[Talk-GB] Farmland (crop or animals)?

2019-05-24 Thread Gregory Marler
What is going on with landuse=farmland, and what are we going to do? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmland It had a classic "map for the renderer" and "no blank spots on the map" problem. Armchair mappers found it important to map large swathes of farmland, which I don't