Re: [Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO -apostrophes

2010-06-15 Thread Ed Avis
Peter Miller peter.mil...@... writes: I suggest we continue to flag alternative versions for which there is no proven valid usage using not:name but where an alternative official name is found (ie in the legal name or a past name or even one in local usage) then we should put that in

Re: [Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO -apostrophes

2010-06-15 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB]Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO -apostrophes Peter Miller peter.mil...@... writes: I suggest we continue to flag alternative

Re: [Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - apostrophes

2010-06-14 Thread Ed Avis
At the risk of reopening the apostrophes war, my point is that issues such as Saint vs St, or Queen's Drive versus Queens Drive, are not ones that can be resolved by survey. They are merely orthographic conventions. Similarly, we do not report a mismatch between High Street and HIGH STREET, even

Re: [Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - apostrophes

2010-06-14 Thread Tim François
...issues such as Saint vs St, or Queen's Drive versus Queens Drive, are not ones that can be resolved by survey.  They are merely orthographic conventions Is this true? I was under the impression that we mapped what we saw - i.e. the definitive name is the one we see on the street signs

Re: [Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - apostrophes

2010-06-14 Thread Richard Mann
I've got a road that's Arnolds Way in OSM and on the street signs, Arnold's Way in OSSV. How should it be tagged? name=Arnolds Way alt_name=Arnold's Way ? Richard On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: At the risk of reopening the apostrophes war, my point is that

Re: [Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - apostrophes

2010-06-14 Thread Ed Avis
Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@... writes: I've got a road that's Arnolds Way in OSM and on the street signs, Arnold's Way in OSSV. How should it be tagged? In such situations I usually do some research to find out who is correct. The local council which puts up the street signs certainly

Re: [Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - apostrophes

2010-06-14 Thread Ed Loach
I went out at the weekend to resurvey all the highlighted roads in this district (Tendring, Essex - about 38 IIRC). Many of these were apostrophe related and I was beginning to think that the district had a policy of not including apostrophes on street signs until I came to one where they had.

Re: [Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - apostrophes

2010-06-14 Thread Ed Avis
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Re: [Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - apostrophes

2010-06-14 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB]Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - apostrophes At the risk of reopening the apostrophes war, my point is that issues

Re: [Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO -apostrophes

2010-06-14 Thread Peter Miller
On 14 Jun 2010, at 15:11, David Groom wrote: - Original Message - From: Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB]Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - apostrophes At the risk of reopening

Re: [Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - apostrophes

2010-06-13 Thread Ed Avis
Could the OS versus OSM name comparison be changed to strip apostrophes from both names before comparing? See http://oscompare.raggedred.net/?zoom=16lat=51.54886lon=-0.20997layers=B0TF for example - neither OS nor OSM have any real consistency in whether to use apostrophe or not. I've no wish

Re: [Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - apostrophes

2010-06-13 Thread Richard Mann
Differences on the naming of sections of trunk road (Southern Bypass vs Southern Bypass Road) are also a little distracting. Richard On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Could the OS versus OSM name comparison be changed to strip apostrophes from both names before

Re: [Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - apostrophes

2010-06-13 Thread Bob Kerr
for the council to use. Cheers Bob  --- On Sun, 13/6/10, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - apostrophes To: Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com Cc: talk

Re: [Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - apostrophes

2010-06-13 Thread Ed Avis
Bob Kerr openstreetmapcraigmil...@... writes: I can easily understand that apostrophes and the name bypass are annoying, however I think there is an opportunity here.  For example, bypass or by-pass. This highlights an inconstancy in the OS data, which will be useful for them to correct and

Re: [Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - apostrophes

2010-06-13 Thread Chris Hill
Ed Avis wrote: Bob Kerr openstreetmapcraigmil...@... writes: I can easily understand that apostrophes and the name bypass are annoying, however I think there is an opportunity here. For example, bypass or by-pass. This highlights an inconstancy in the OS data, which will be useful

Re: [Talk-GB] Map layer with OS Locator comparison from ITO - apostrophes

2010-06-13 Thread Tim François
Agreed - might as well mop up the anomalies (St/Saint, apostrophes etc) as we go along this first time round. --- On Sun, 13/6/10, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: If I'm going out to check some anomalies, it would be very annoying to have to go out to the same area again in six months