Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-08 Thread Phillip Barnett
And in fact David Earl deserves recognition for pretty much single-handedly doing the original basic mapping of Cambridge at street level. (I did about 1% of it at the time, but had the excuse of very young children taking my attention) Sent from my iPhone > On 8 Feb 2020, at 14:30, Richard

Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-08 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 06/02/2020 16:49, Phillip Barnett wrote: And here is the email from the guy who did the original mapping, the last time this came up, including his reasoning for the amenity Tag rather than building tag https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2015-May/017457.html Note the time

Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-08 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Dave F wrote: > CU wanted a new site map. They paid someone to provide it for > them. Which is fine, but please don't suggest they're > contributions are superior to those of any anybody else. > Especially when they decided to knowingly go against accepted > tagging procedures. I think that's

Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-08 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 06/02/2020 15:48, Brian Prangle wrote: "OSM is not beholden to data consumers. They take the data 'as is'. That includes any amendments My planned amendment can always be reversed if there is a valid reason. Upsetting CU isn't one" Not a great way to build a community when the data user

Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-06 Thread Phillip Barnett
And here is the email from the guy who did the original mapping, the last time this came up, including his reasoning for the amenity Tag rather than building tag https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2015-May/017457.html Sent from my iPhone > On 6 Feb 2020, at 15:49, Brian Prangle

Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-06 Thread Brian Prangle
"OSM is not beholden to data consumers. They take the data 'as is'. That includes any amendments My planned amendment can always be reversed if there is a valid reason. Upsetting CU isn't one" Not a great way to build a community when the data user in question put in a lot of resource in order

Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-06 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Hi Jerry On 06/02/2020 10:19, SK53 wrote: Funnily enough this long-standing issue came up at our pub meeting last month. Although my reaction has always been to let sleeping dogs lie, this was clearly not the consensus. It's detrimental to the quality of the OSM database. it requires sorting

Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-06 Thread Jez Nicholson
Nice work Jerry. I've touted Universities as a Quarterly Project as I believe that a number of them use and contribute to OSM...and those that don't, should. Maybe it can gain traction for next quarter...OSMUK could be used as a means to introduce ourselves officially to any university that

Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-06 Thread SK53
Funnily enough this long-standing issue came up at our pub meeting last month. Although my reaction has always been to let sleeping dogs lie, this was clearly not the consensus. I've sent a message to University of Cambridge Information Services who run the map.cam.ac.uk site which consumes the

Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-05 Thread Peter Neale via Talk-GB
 >On Tuesday, 4 February 2020, 16:40:21 GMT, Andy Townsend wrote:      >  >On 04/02/2020 15:37, Peter Neale via Talk-GB wrote:  >>There isn't, I'm afraid.. it's a right hotchpotch  >>IMHO, it would be a waste of time, if you tried to create a single area object (do I mean "closed

Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-04 Thread Paul Berry
Indeed, so long as you ignore https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/52528295, https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/134635221, etc ;) Feel free to adjust the mapping! Regards, *Paul* > By the way, there is at least one "sensibly mapped" university in > Cambridge: > >

Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-04 Thread Russ Garrett
On Tue, 4 Feb 2020 at 21:37, Alan Mackie wrote: > On a completely unrelated note. Does any software actually support site > relations? openinframap.org does, for power plants (wind farms etc). I suspect it may be the only one. -- Russ Garrett r...@garrett.co.uk

Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-04 Thread Alan Mackie
On Tue, 4 Feb 2020 at 15:46, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB < talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > > Feb 4, 2020, 16:37 by talk-gb@openstreetmap.org: > > >> (Ironically, the current tagging makes it hard for me to search to see > >> if there's a "proper" amenity=university in there somewhere,

Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-04 Thread Andy Townsend
On 04/02/2020 15:37, Peter Neale via Talk-GB wrote: >There isn't, I'm afraid.. it's a right hotchpotch IMHO, it would be a waste of time, if you tried to create a single area object (do I mean "closed way"?) to be the university.  That would just be most of the city centre. The University

Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-04 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB
Feb 4, 2020, 16:37 by talk-gb@openstreetmap.org: > >> (Ironically, the current tagging makes it hard for me to search to see > >> if there's a "proper" amenity=university in there somewhere, e.g. as a > >> relation or area covering a large swathe of them.) > > > >There isn't, I'm afraid.. it's

Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-04 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB
Feb 4, 2020, 15:14 by talk-gb@openstreetmap.org: > Hi > There was a discussion 5 years ago. There may have been others. > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2015-May/017455.html > > Many amenity=university tags were added unnecessarily to building=yes > A contributor had

Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-04 Thread Peter Neale via Talk-GB
>> (Ironically, the current tagging makes it hard for me to search to see >> if there's a "proper" amenity=university in there somewhere, e.g. as a >> relation or area covering a large swathe of them.) > >There isn't, I'm afraid.. it's a right hotchpotch IMHO, it would be a waste of time, if you

Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-04 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 04/02/2020 14:28, Dan S wrote: Hi Dave, I agree with what you suggest. Can we be a bit precise though about what you propose? You're proposing to remove amenity=university from building=university in Cambridge, and make no other tagging changes? That's correct. I'm going to load the 1050

Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-04 Thread Dan S
Hi Dave, I agree with what you suggest. Can we be a bit precise though about what you propose? You're proposing to remove amenity=university from building=university in Cambridge, and make no other tagging changes? (Ironically, the current tagging makes it hard for me to search to see if there's

[Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-04 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Hi There was a discussion 5 years ago. There may have been others. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2015-May/017455.html Many amenity=university tags were added unnecessarily to building=yes A contributor had converted these to building=university, in accordance with the wiki.